Obama orders over half a ton of Marijuana for 'medical research' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=draugur;44750673]I think it does cause brain damage. The amount of people peddling it like some sort of cure-all elixir astounds me, and only someone with severe brain trauma would make such stupid claims about something. (This is a joke, but really people, pot isn't a cure-all elixir any more than the tricresyl phosphate and other toxic substances sold to people in the early 1900's with the promises of curing all their problems.)[/QUOTE] if you're main argument against is that it's not a cure all so it causes brain damage worse than alcohol or other substances, then it's a shit argument the last study that showed it caused brain damage may very well be true. So are you going to go around calling anyone who smokes or ingests weed a brain damaged idiot? are they now incapable of serious thought? I always find it strangely ridiculous how active the hatred of "stoners" is. [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] and no shit it isn't a cure all. only idiots say that.

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44750697]True. It's not a cure-all. But it does make it WAY easier to get into Doctor Who, so there's that.[/QUOTE] Dr.Who fanatics are disgusting though.. It's like a plague in this country. I've never had an issue speaking in this country since forever and now I have to fake an American accent because there's at least half a town's worth of 13-19 year old fangirls of anything that sounds like it even remotely came from the UK. All my actual friends were like, "what's up with the shit American accent now?" and I had to explain to them that if I didn't try to impersonate them, I'd end up being stampeded by a thousand girls who have this weird boner for Brit culture. Moral of that story? Americans have a weird obsession with non-American things, it's creepy. [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44750723]if you're main argument against is that it's not a cure all so it causes brain damage worse than alcohol or other substances, then it's a shit argument the last study that showed it caused brain damage may very well be true. So are you going to go around calling anyone who smokes or ingests weed a brain damaged idiot? are they now incapable of serious thought? I always find it strangely ridiculous how active the hatred of "stoners" is. [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] and no shit it isn't a cure all. only idiots say that.[/QUOTE] Are you actually capable of comprehensive reading? I said very clearly that it was a joke you dense sod. My only argument is against the action of smoking, I was poking fun at stoners for their almost religious preaching of pot and the devote defense of it, and we both know that they do it. In fact you're evidence of it right now, me saying anything negative about pot, even in jest, caused you to scream bloody murder. You've actually made my point pretty well.

[QUOTE=draugur;44750733]Dr.Who fanatics are disgusting though.. It's like a plague in this country. I've never had an issue speaking in this country since forever and now I have to fake an American accent because there's at least half a town's worth of 13-19 year old fangirls of anything that sounds like it even remotely came from the UK. All my actual friends were like, "what's up with the shit American accent now?" and I had to explain to them that if I didn't try to impersonate them, I'd end up being stampeded by a thousand girls who have this weird boner for Brit culture. Moral of that story? Americans have a weird obsession with non-American things, it's creepy.[/QUOTE] British sci-fi's just cool. I got into Doctor Who in the early 80's, so while I think a lot of the younger fanatics are kinda missing the point of what makes the show special, I'm just glad people are still watching.

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44750769]British sci-fi's just cool. I got into Doctor Who in the early 80's, so while I think a lot of the younger fanatics are kinda missing the point of what makes the show special, I'm just glad people are still watching.[/QUOTE] It's not bad, and I mean, it is a family show, so I see why loads of people like it, and I enjoy an episode now and then. It's just so annoying to see all these kids creaming their pants over it and not even knowing why they like it. The same kids self describe as "different and weird." But they don't know how they're different, and every thing they say is the same thing every other damn kid will say if you asked them how they're original and different.

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44750697]True. It's not a cure-all. But it does make it WAY easier to get into Doctor Who, so there's that.[/QUOTE] As if anyone needed further proof that weed is evil.

[QUOTE=draugur;44730149]Actually, the carbon inhaled into your lungs is really harmful so... I really wouldn't call it harmless. Not to mention second hand smoke and all that. High levels of carbon monoxide in the blood has been linked to a very substantial increase in your risk for heart disease, and considering smoking anything produces CO, you're fucked regardless of what you smoke.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that's not basis to stand on when it comes to perpetuating the anti-marijuana agenda. Hell, if inhaling plant matter is really the only major risk of using marijuana then I don't see the point in keeping it illegal. It's completely hypocritical compared to the carcinogens stuffed into each cigarette. If it's really a concern for public health then while we're at it let's stop fluoridating the water too.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;44732392]May I ask why you believe this? I can't see someone coming up with an idea like this out of the blue, so you must have something to back it up. I've never read anything on cannabis having a negative effect on eidetic memory. It certainly affects short term memory temporarily, but I've never noticed an effect on my ability to recall detailed images, which I've always been pretty good at.[/QUOTE] Hello. Maybe I have exaggarated a bit. But I did never said that if fucks up person permamently. I meant that in case person with (short term) eidetic memory has big risk destroying his perfectly tuned memory with drugs, even cannabis. Not frying his brains out. I don't have source, it is my bit of experience. I smoked lots of pot and I don't as sharp memory as I used to have to. But lots != once. I am clean now and I think it is returning, but I don' think memory will be ever as sharp. Also I know lots of potheads, and no-one of them possess good memory. Also, I don't think you will ever see study on eidetic memory and cannabis, because too small population has eidetic memory and they are not soo stupid to smoke tons of cannabis just to prove that cannabis is risk-free. Hope I made it clear. If you are fine after smoking, don't worry... Just don't overdo it heh :) [editline]8th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;44753712]Yeah, but that's not basis to stand on when it comes to perpetuating the anti-marijuana agenda. Hell, if inhaling plant matter is really the only major risk of using marijuana then I don't see the point in keeping it illegal. It's completely hypocritical compared to the carcinogens stuffed into each cigarette. If it's really a concern for public health then while we're at it let's stop fluoridating the water too.[/QUOTE] Agree, the fluoride in water is just plain retarded and yet they keep doing it, destroying millions of lives..

Good, I hope that the scientists involved are impartial and we finally get a good stream of real data about it's use, I also hope they don't only test smoking but also vaporizing and edibles because smoking is falling out of favor for many of the people I know. My city has an extraordinary drug culture, and I hope that Illinois legalizes it soon regardless of what these new studies will show, simply to clear up some of our prisons (we have four in the area and they just approved another one)

[QUOTE=draugur;44730149]Actually, the carbon inhaled into your lungs is really harmful so... I really wouldn't call it harmless. Not to mention second hand smoke and all that. High levels of carbon monoxide in the blood has been linked to a very substantial increase in your risk for heart disease, and considering smoking anything produces CO, you're fucked regardless of what you smoke.[/QUOTE] I still don't get why people are holding back mankind by being overzealous with animal rights. edit: Oh ok nevermind misunderstood context. Just read up on the monkey thing. Dumb study.

[QUOTE=HeatPipe;44753963] Agree, the fluoride in water is just plain retarded and yet they keep doing it, destroying millions of lives..[/QUOTE] How to lose all argument credibility in one easy step!

[QUOTE=HeatPipe;44753963]Hello. Maybe I have exaggarated a bit. But I did never said that if fucks up person permamently. I meant that in case person with (short term) eidetic memory has big risk destroying his perfectly tuned memory with drugs, even cannabis. Not frying his brains out. I don't have source, it is my bit of experience. I smoked lots of pot and I don't as sharp memory as I used to have to. But lots != once. I am clean now and I think it is returning, but I don' think memory will be ever as sharp. Also I know lots of potheads, and no-one of them possess good memory. Also, I don't think you will ever see study on eidetic memory and cannabis, because too small population has eidetic memory and they are not soo stupid to smoke tons of cannabis just to prove that cannabis is risk-free. Hope I made it clear. If you are fine after smoking, don't worry... Just don't overdo it heh :) [editline]8th May 2014[/editline] Agree, the fluoride in water is just plain retarded and yet they keep doing it, destroying millions of lives..[/QUOTE] I've smoked a lot of weed and my memory has not been affected in any serious way. I don't forget things in a way at all dis similar to how a normal, non pot smoker forgets things. I don't have a problem in that field, despite being a pot smoker.

[QUOTE=draugur;44730261]Just because there are things worse than something doesn't mean it is by any means safe. Drinking mercury is deadly, therefore drinking excessive amounts of alcohol is harmless because it isn't the same as drinking mercury. Except no, because both actions are still dangerous. Weed isn't the harmful object here, it is the act of smoking it.[/QUOTE] He didn't say it was safe, he said it was safer than something which is legal now.

[QUOTE=LSK;44760172]He didn't say it was safe, he said it was safer than something which is legal now.[/QUOTE] So he made a worthless point for the sake of trying to argue then? There's a billion legal things which are incredibly dangerous. You can legally own radioactive materials, liquid nitrogen, mercury, gasoline, firearms, planes, helicopters, cars, and so much more. That doesn't automatically give his argument any credibility because smoking weed is more safe than handling uranium ore and liquid nitrogen, it just means that the risks involved aren't as apparent.

[QUOTE=draugur;44760311]So he made a worthless point for the sake of trying to argue then? There's a billion legal things which are incredibly dangerous. You can legally own radioactive materials, liquid nitrogen, mercury, gasoline, firearms, planes, helicopters, cars, and so much more. That doesn't automatically give his argument any credibility because smoking weed is more safe than handling uranium ore and liquid nitrogen, it just means that the risks involved aren't as apparent.[/QUOTE] as much as you want to string it out to be ridiculous, comparing it to alcohol is entirely reasonable to do

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44760369]as much as you want to string it out to be ridiculous, comparing it to alcohol is entirely reasonable to do[/QUOTE] You can compare them, but it being less dangerous than alcohol doesn't hold any water as to why it should be legal. Weed should be legal for a lot of reasons but that isn't one of them, we shouldn't decide that things being less dangerous than others therefore makes them worth legalizing. It's the same as saying we should fully legalize automatic firearms because they're less dangerous than uranium which could be used to make various dirty, harmful things.

[QUOTE=draugur;44760435]You can compare them, but it being less dangerous than alcohol doesn't hold any water as to why it should be legal. Weed should be legal for a lot of reasons but that isn't one of them, we shouldn't decide that things being less dangerous than others therefore makes them worth legalizing. It's the same as saying we should fully legalize automatic firearms because they're less dangerous than uranium which could be used to make various dirty, harmful things.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's really the same at all as your gun comparison to uranium. Alcohol is a drug that is legally consumable in most areas of the world that has been with us in one form or another for several thousand years. Marijuana is a drug that has been with us in one form or another for a similar length of time. Comparing the two and their history with our cultures and peoples to decide it's current legality isn't the best idea, but if we're going to say that marijuana should be illegal on the basis it causes damage, then you cannot under any reasoning that is not contradictory argue that alcohol should legal. It's an easily relateable and understandable comparison. It is not like your uranium fall back you keep using. It's not harmless and no one worth listening to thinks it is. Alcohol is not harmless, yet is legal. If you're arguing that marijuana shouldn't be legal on any basis, you should argue the same for alcohol. It's utterly a double standard.

Complete opposite actually, I'd rather marijuana, psilocybin and peyote be legalized while alcohol should be made a more controlled substance. Especially considering alcohol has caused more crime and harm to people while legalized than most other things. No one gets high on weed and kills/beats their spouse, alcoholics do. More teens die every year from alcohol poisoning than ODs on other controlled substances. There's this social ideology that alcohol is completely safe and all fun and games here and it's honestly disgusting. Not to mention alcohol has a completely different effect on your brain than pot does, alcohol being a major depressive and highly addictive substance to the point where, like heroin, withdrawal can kill a person.

Heroin withdrawal doesn't kill. It's just really uncomfortable for the most part. Trying to avoid withdrawal can kill though - like using too much due to not knowing the strength of product or what the optimal dosage for your tolerance is. Opiate addicts that maintain their addiction properly can actually be more high functioning than many alcoholics and hold down regular employment, etc.

[QUOTE=draugur;44760094]How to lose all argument credibility in one easy step![/QUOTE] Explain, why fluoride is useful in water then.

He's really ordering it so he can hotbox the white house