Cee Lo Green Changes 'Imagine' Lyrics To 'All Religions' From John Lennon's 'No Religion' During New - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LaughingStock;34006276]Yeah. It's not okay to be an asshole just because you feel that there's no consequences.[/QUOTE] but I derive great pleasure in hearing hilarious arguments against truth. it's fun, damn it ahhh. I guess I should be a little more civil and aware of hurting people's feelings, if they're not doing anything wrong. It's always more effective. I'm sure I can still make convincing arguments without feeling the need to make everyone genuinely furious hey Mon, I'm sorry I indirectly called you a queef

I'm less pissed off about the change itself(though I'm not amused by changing a song from a renowned atheist to say "wouldn't it be great if everyone was right about religion, except the atheists?"), and more pissed off about the fact that the change was seen as necessary in the first place.

[QUOTE=Mon;34003015]incoming internet atheist rage rampage[/QUOTE] As an atheist, I don't give a fuck.

I understand the sentiment, but the previous lyrics would cause much less conflict in this fairy tale world than if there were all of them [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Honestly I believe in religious freedom as an atheist, but I still think that most religions have some of the most annoying fucks as followers

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34006638]I'm less pissed off about the change itself(though I'm not amused by changing a song from a renowned atheist to say "wouldn't it be great if everyone was right about religion, except the atheists?"), and more pissed off about the fact that the change was seen as necessary in the first place.[/QUOTE] People do that all the time. It's part of making a song "yours". Most vocalists have a hard time singing a song unless they make it theirs somehow, whether it's changing the lyrics, the melody, or whatever. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Plus generally when an artist does it, they put a new twist to it which generally makes the song more interesting(since it's slightly new) than just hearing the same old classic done in the same old way.

[QUOTE=Cone;34003753]That's probably the most clever thing I've yet heard on religion.[/QUOTE] The thing is, the statement is great but it's not clever - it should be common fucking sense that it's all about people in the end. But no, it's easier for people to blame theists/atheists/whatevergroupisthenewinthingtoblame as a group than just accept that only people do these things.

[QUOTE=Last or First;34003160]I'm not even offended because I'm atheist. I'm offended because I'm OCD about lyrics. Plus, it makes it so it doesn't even make sense. "All religion is true"? Okay, so is it monotheism or polytheism? Which Abrahamic interpretation is right? Is there an afterlife or reincarnation? [I]What about Xenu?[/I] Honestly, though, when that happened, I just facepalmed and said "He fucked up the lyrics." I'm more offended at that 'rapper' before him that was basically just talking with some guy making funny sounds in the background.[/QUOTE] It's all religion, and that your free to believe in what you want to believe. Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism. All religions are true to their followers and false to people who disagree with it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;34007222]People do that all the time. It's part of making a song "yours". Most vocalists have a hard time singing a song unless they make it theirs somehow, whether it's changing the lyrics, the melody, or whatever. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Plus generally when an artist does it, they put a new twist to it which generally makes the song more interesting(since it's slightly new) than just hearing the same old classic done in the same old way.[/QUOTE] If it was about mixing up the song to make it more interesting, the changes would have extended beyond a single line, and part of me doubts that it was about personalizing the lyrics to fit Cee Lo Green's belief in all religions being simultaneously true. This isn't about art, this was a conscious tactic to avoid stepping on the toes of religious types, and it's symptomatic of a greater problem of society always having to kowtow to religion. And before I have to hear "Respecting the beliefs of religious people? [I]Oh how awful![/I]", remember that the lyrics were changed to "and all religions true", so clearly this olive branch of accommodation isn't being offered to atheists as well. Religious types and their apologists like to go on about us atheists and our "double standards" - being as psychically attuned to that particular fallacy as you are, you should be able to spot this one rather quickly.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34007572]If it was about mixing up the song to make it more interesting, the changes would have extended beyond a single line, and part of me doubts that it was about personalizing the lyrics to fit Cee Lo Green's belief in all religions being simultaneously true. This isn't about art, this was a conscious tactic to avoid stepping on the toes of religious types, and it's symptomatic of a greater problem of society always having to kowtow to religion. And before I have to hear "Respecting the beliefs of religious people? [I]Oh how awful![/I]", remember that the lyrics were changed to "and all religions true", so clearly this olive branch of accommodation isn't being offered to atheists as well. Religious types and their apologists like to go on about us atheists and our "double standards" - being as psychically attuned to that particular fallacy as you are, you should be able to spot this one rather quickly.[/QUOTE] "Yo I meant no disrespect by changing the lyric guys! I was trying to say a world were u could believe what u wanted that's all." a world where you can believe what you want, whether that be jesus, buddha or nothing at all!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34007595]"Yo I meant no disrespect by changing the lyric guys! I was trying to say a world were u could believe what u wanted that's all." a world where you can believe what you want, whether that be jesus, buddha or nothing at all![/QUOTE] And he would admit that it was essentially a PR move.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34007623]And he would admit that it was essentially a PR move.[/QUOTE] ok so i guess it doesn't matter what he says or what i say because you're just gonna jump to your own conclusion.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34007572]If it was about mixing up the song to make it more interesting, the changes would have extended beyond a single line, and part of me doubts that it was about personalizing the lyrics to fit Cee Lo Green's belief in all religions being simultaneously true. This isn't about art, this was a conscious tactic to avoid stepping on the toes of religious types, and it's symptomatic of a greater problem of society always having to kowtow to religion. [/quote] Jeez, dude. If he was trying to avoid stepping on the toes of religious types, why even sing the song in the first place? Why would he care about saving his own ass anyways? This is a guy who made a song called "Fuck you". [quote]And before I have to hear "Respecting the beliefs of religious people? [I]Oh how awful![/I]", remember that the lyrics were changed to "and all religions true", so clearly this olive branch of accommodation isn't being offered to atheists as well.[/quote] Yea, it is. Atheism is a religious philosophy, or more accurately, lack of one. If someone asks you what religion you are, you say atheist. Would it be better if he said "all religions are true, even when they don't believe in anything"? That isn't poetic or smooth at all. [quote]Religious types and their apologists like to go on about us atheists and our "double standards" - being as psychically attuned to that particular fallacy as you are, you should be able to spot this one rather quickly.[/QUOTE] Yea, but I don't think this is that big of a deal. He changed a few words in a song. This isn't an outrage in any sense. He wasn't marginalizing atheism through that song in any way, even if he was trying to cover his own ass. You would have a very reasonable point in almost any other scenario, but in this one it seems a little over dramatic.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34007636]ok so i guess it doesn't matter what he says or what i say because you're just gonna jump to your own conclusion.[/QUOTE] Look whose talking with "jumping to conclusions..." this whole thread is nothing but "jumping to conclusions" and claiming to know exactly what went on in this guy's mind that made him change one verse of a fucking song. Oh it must be an anti-atheist conspiracy because he did it onpurpose!!!

[QUOTE=V3cT0r;34004495]No thats not true. Hitler was still a soldier of mediocre rank during World War 1. The anti slavic idea was not popular until after the first world war, as he included it in his ethnic propaganda. World War 1 was really a chain reaction of the alliances in Europe, triggered by the assasination of the Austrian crown prince by Serbian freedom fighters (Serbia was occupied by Austria at this point) who did not foresee the consequences. Austria was allied with Germany and Serbia with Russia, so we had a German Russian conflict at hand, wich triggered the all of Europe to run wild, because everyone was Allied with everyone and had to step in.[/QUOTE] AH stands for Austria Hungary not Adolf Hitler.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;34007681]Look whose talking with "jumping to conclusions..." this whole thread is nothing but "jumping to conclusions" and claiming to know exactly what went on in this guy's mind that made him change one verse of a fucking song. Oh it must be an anti-atheist conspiracy because he did it onpurpose!!![/QUOTE] i haven't been jumping to conclusions, i've been echoing what cee lo himself said. yeah i guess he could be lying but i prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

his change and the original lyric pretty much mean the same exact thing ain't broke don't fix it etc.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;34007644]Jeez, dude. If he was trying to avoid stepping on the toes of religious types, why even sing the song in the first place? Why would he care about saving his own ass anyways? This is a guy who made a song called "Fuck you".[/quote] I'll admit, you've got a point here. [quote]Yea, it is. Atheism is a religious philosophy, or more accurately, lack of one. If someone asks you what religion you are, you say atheist. Would it be better if he said "all religions are true, even when they don't believe in anything"? That isn't poetic or smooth at all.[/quote] But it's still not a religion. If he wanted to communicate "It doesn't matter what you should believe, we should all love each other anyway", there were better ways to communicate it. [quote]Yea, but I don't think this is that big of a deal. He changed a few words in a song. This isn't an outrage in any sense. He wasn't marginalizing atheism through that song in any way, even if he was trying to cover his own[/quote] As I said, I'm not even particularly mad at the change itself, my issue is with the social impulse it represents(even if it doesn't represent that particular impulse all that well, apparently).

I guess you could say, [i]Fuck you[/i] Cee Lo Green.

What a stupid fuck You just don't fuck with John Lennon

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34003532]Hitler was a renowned atheist[/QUOTE] He was Roman Catholic you ignoramus.

[QUOTE=Sickle;34007992]He was Roman Catholic you ignoramus.[/QUOTE] While his post was indeed dumb your post seems like it's overly agressive

[QUOTE=Sickle;34007992]He was Roman Catholic you ignoramus.[/QUOTE] The hell is up with the use of the word "ignoramus" all of a sudden? Some sort of attempt at making personal insults sound more professional and educated?

[QUOTE=LCBADs;34007813] But it's still not a religion. If he wanted to communicate "It doesn't matter what you should believe, we should all love each other anyway", there were better ways to communicate it.[/quote] That's an issue with his songwriting skills, not necessarily his intent. [quote]As I said, I'm not even particularly mad at the change itself, my issue is with the social impulse it represents(even if it doesn't represent that particular impulse all that well, apparently).[/QUOTE] Even if it does represent that social impulse, I'm not longer bothered by it. I don't give a shit if people look down on me because I'm an atheist, I don't even care if people are always scared to offend religious people. The tide is coming in and each poll shows a higher number of atheists and non-religious people. I look and see that society is changing about as rapidly as it can as far as religion goes. I can't push the tide forward, just as I can't hold the tide back. I'm just happy to ride the wave. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sickle;34007992]He was Roman Catholic you ignoramus.[/QUOTE] Hitler was a Hitlerist. He believed in his own power and wanted to gain it however he could. That meant manipulation of the religious in Germany.

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;34007938]What a stupid fuck You just don't fuck with John Lennon[/QUOTE] One of the most overrated musicians part of one of the most overrated bands? Do whatever you want to it. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Bring on the hate.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;34008113]One of the most overrated musicians part of one of the most overrated bands? Do whatever you want to it. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Bring on the hate.[/QUOTE] God damnit, I agree with you but why the fuck did you have to go there?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;34008137]God damnit, I agree with you but why the fuck did you have to go there?[/QUOTE] Because I think more people in the thread are mad that he changed John Lennon's lyrics as opposed to the content of them. Not trying to speak ill of the dead, respect to what he did, but people worship that guy way too much.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;34006443]but I derive great pleasure in hearing hilarious arguments against truth. it's fun, damn it ahhh. I guess I should be a little more civil and aware of hurting people's feelings, if they're not doing anything wrong. It's always more effective. I'm sure I can still make convincing arguments without feeling the need to make everyone genuinely furious hey Mon, I'm sorry I indirectly called you a queef[/QUOTE] Okay then. I am a Deist. I believe the universe was created by an all-powerful being who no longer interferes in the affairs of this universe. Prove me wrong. Oh wait! You can't... That's funny, isn't it? So stop acting like you know an undeniable proven truth, because you don't. [editline]2nd January 2012[/editline] Seriously, your arrogance is revolting

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34008238]Okay then. I am a Deist. I believe the universe was created by an all-powerful being who no longer interferes in the affairs of this universe. Prove me wrong. Oh wait! You can't... That's funny, isn't it? So stop acting like you know an undeniable proven truth, because you don't.[/QUOTE] No offense, but the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for an all-powerful being though, rather than for anyone else to prove you wrong.

[QUOTE=Noble;34008282]No offense, but the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for an all-powerful being though, rather than for anyone else to prove you wrong.[/QUOTE] The nature of Deism is unprovable and will always be as such. It is the very belief of Deism that there is no evidence of an all-powerful being because this being did nothing in our realm of existence except create it.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34008335]The nature of Deism is unprovable and will always be as such. It is the very belief of Deism that there is no evidence of an all-powerful being because this being did nothing in our realm of existence except create it.[/QUOTE] Then why believe it?