Man who feared mass shootings brings gun to movie theater, accidentally shoots woman - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618037]the sentiment is basically "I am completely uninformed about this situation but this is a great opportunity for me to feel superior so let me just make a quick copy+paste [B]AMERICA xD LMAO[/B] post".[/QUOTE] You're the fuckin idiot that brought up nationality though??? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]Cons: accidentally shoot innocents/yourself, means police are more likely to shoot first and ask questions later, market is saturated with cheap, highquality firearms making them more available to criminals, small [URL="http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/tragic-misunderstanding-leads-shooting-death-through-door"]misunderstandings[/URL] or [URL="http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/shooting-erupts-tukwila-bar/nF9cz/"]fights[/URL] can escalate to become deadly. Weapon effect leads to changes in behaviour and an increase in aggression or violence. 1-2 kilos of extra weight.[/QUOTE] basically everything you listed is either completely wrong and irrelevant, or it deals with mentally unstable people. normal people don't grab the nearest sharp object and go at people with it every time they have a disagreement, and giving a normal person a gun doesn't suddenly rewire their brain and make them prone to fits of rage. normal people also don't go into movie theaters and sit in wait for a possible attack like this hero did, and normal people have the common sense to either learn firearms safety or not carry one at all. that's not a con of having a weapon, it's a con of being an idiot. the same kind of person can cause just as much damage by operating a vehicle. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]means police are more likely to shoot first and ask questions later, market is saturated with cheap[/QUOTE] I'll be generous and ignore the fact that you're speculating this based on literally nothing but stating it like its fact. there's still the matter of police already doing this in the U.S and statistically they do it much more frequently in areas that don't allow concealed carry permit whatsoever. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]market is saturated with [B]cheap, highquality[/B] firearms making them more [B]available to criminals[/B][/QUOTE] this actually physically hurt my brain. first of all, do you actually think this is relevant to one person's decision to carry a gun? this has nothing to do with your regurgitated gun control narrative, it's a matter of people telling someone that he's paranoid because he has a gun. if you seriously believe that criminals are getting their weapons from legal sources, you don't have the faintest clue what the situation in the U.S. is. if a weapon you own or used to own is used in a crime, you will be held accountable for the crime if it's found that your negligence was a factor. this is one of the top complaints of the "thanks, obama" gun not crowd in the U.S. this is basically at the threshold of shitposting. you didn't even try to filter your kneejerk thought patterns.

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[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618117]if you seriously believe that criminals are getting their weapons from legal sources, you don't have the faintest clue what the situation in the U.S. is.[/QUOTE] he didn't say they were getting them from legal sources

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;49618024]so did you deliberately ignore all the responses after someone said this exact thing on the first page, or are you just trolling?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms for their protection, I can't stop you, but fuck if you feel like you actually need to then there is something seriously wrong with the country. I guess I don't know what I'm talking about because I enjoy being able to go to a movie theatre without the thought of being shot or stabbed or whatever in the back of my mind. [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] Also comparing a fire arm to a fire extinguisher or spare tire is pretty dumb.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49618145]he didn't say they were getting them from legal sources[/QUOTE] what he said is that a single person having a gun makes the entire market saturated with guns. he then said that the legal market being saturated with guns means criminals have more guns. yes, that's exactly what he said. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49618063]weren't you arguing previously that a guy with a knife was just as dangerous as a guy with a gun[/QUOTE] how do you actually make a post as bad as this. hey weren't you the guy who posted a meme one time? checkmate.

[QUOTE=Araknid;49618146] Also comparing a fire arm to a fire extinguisher or spare tire is pretty dumb.[/QUOTE] Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618168]what he said is that a single person having a gun makes the entire market saturated with guns. he then said that the legal market being saturated with guns means criminals have more guns. yes, that's exactly what he said.[/QUOTE] no he didn't, read his post again what he said was that the legal market for firearms being saturated with cheap, high quality firearms improved their availability to criminals - not that the criminals are getting them from the legal market

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618168]what he said is that a single person having a gun makes the entire market saturated with guns. he then said that the legal market being saturated with guns means criminals have more guns. yes, that's exactly what he said.[/QUOTE] Do you actually believe that having a legal production and distribution of something in a country doesn't affect it's illegal availability?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618168] how do you actually make a post as bad as this. hey weren't you the guy who posted a meme one time? checkmate.[/QUOTE] jesus christ

[QUOTE=Jawyen;49618184]Do you actually believe that having a legal production and distribution of something in a country doesn't affect it's illegal availability?[/QUOTE] I have no idea if it does or not, that's aside from the point. the american gun market being saturated doesn't equate to the american arms manufacturing industry growing. certainly none of this is relevant to one person carrying a gun. they can buy it from whatever country they want. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49618189]jesus christ[/QUOTE] I agree, your posts are pathetic. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming/threadshitting" - dai))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618202]I have no idea if it does or not, that's aside from the point. the american gun market being saturated doesn't equate to the american arms manufacturing industry growing. certainly none of this is relevant to one person carrying a gun. they can buy it from whatever country they want. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] I agree, your posts are pathetic.[/QUOTE] 4 out of 5 of your posts has included you complaining about supposed shitposting. Also why argue about something if you have no idea and then just say 'BUT THAT ISNT THE POINT'!

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49618202]I have no idea if it does or not, that's aside from the point I agree, your posts are pathetic.[/QUOTE] no, that's literally the point that deceiver was making with that statement - that legal firearms improves availability of firearms for criminals i'm pretty sure that he's not trying to argue that one person having a gun makes [B]all[/B] fights and misunderstandings more likely to be deadly you can't just handwave the point you're trying to criticize

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49616621]Ironically enough I was carrying during the same movie but I didn't do shoot anyone. Probably because I wasn't medicated, drinking and I kept it in a holster and not loosely in my waistband.[/QUOTE] ahahahaha twat! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming/dumb" - dai))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Acid Rapper;49618231]ahahahaha twat![/QUOTE] this really doesn't help anything

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49618091]i don't think a single post in this thread has actually said that americans shouldn't have guns what has been posted is that people think it's incredibly sad that americans feel they NEED to have guns as a common sense safety measure in line with fire extinguishers the closest that has been posted to this, is the post that i just made above[/QUOTE] was talking about the whole need/"need" thing in the first place [QUOTE=fruxodaily;49617283][quote]I, for one, want a fighting chance to get myself or my family out of there. [/quote] No you fucking don't lol, stop that shit[/QUOTE] I'm on your side with the fact it's bad people feel it's a necessity, that's the whole paranoid bit about wanting shit I was talking about. My side point was cod3's trained in dealing with public situations that could turn violent on him and his points are pretty valid [i]for his personal situaiton[/i] compared to your average joe saying the same things, but his situation isn't really made apparent in the thread so people are just having at him about it

[QUOTE=dai;49618280]was talking about the whole need/"need" thing in the first place I'm on your side with the fact it's bad people feel it's a necessity, that's the whole paranoid bit about wanting shit I was talking about. My side point was cod3's trained in dealing with public situations that could turn violent on him and his points are pretty valid [i]for his personal situaiton[/i] compared to your average joe saying the same things, but his situation isn't really made apparent in the thread so people are just having at him about it[/QUOTE] if cod3 has a legitimate reason for having a firearm, and he's trained to use it, then i think anyone who disputes him having one considering his personal situation is stupid so i agree with you.

I nope'd out of this thread as soon as I saw the direction it was going and honestly I regret making that post. Like, my intention was to pre-emptive the inevitable comments about how "Look, see, more firearms mean more innocent people getting hurt etc etc" by pointing out the fact that the guy was on medication, drinking and probably carrying a loaded firearm without a safety in his waistband and not in a holster which are all things that lead to accidents like this, it's not like guns are super disfunctional and touchy devices. If you carry it properly it will never go off on it's own, this guy just had shitty judgement. As far as myself, I just tried to explain my point of view and why I carry and the fact that America is in a pretty unique relationship with firearms and personal safety since we have a lot of non-Americans on our forum that don't grow up in it. Disagreeing is fine, but when people go out of their way to call you a twat it's kind of ridiculous. With the other stuff brought up in the thread, I am a licensed to carry a firearm in NY which is probably the hardest State in the US to get a CCW permit. Most counties don't even issue them for full-carry but I got one. It requires a shit load of red tape and you have to take a safety course and a bunch of other garbage to get it. I've taken classes at my local Sheriffs Department after I got my license, out of my own pocket to pay for them. I'm a licensed Security Guard and I've been around firearms my entire life. It's not like I decided one night to go buy a gun and stick it in my pocket. Since I had my gun it prevented a robbery during a blackout that happened at my old ghetto job during a black out when the PD literally would not be able to respond to a 911 call even if I could have made one. With my experience, I don't really talk it up because all I do is apprehend shoplifters and shit but I guess you could say I do have experience dealing with violent/potentially violent situations. I apprehend a lot of herion addicts for example, with like, needles and shit on them with warrants or priors they don't want to get put away again for over $80 jackets or $20 sheet sets they're stealing for drug money. I don't advocate anyone just buy a gun with no training or experience with them and start carrying the thing around. You need to have a respect for it, it's a potentially dangerous tool but if you use it properly it could save your life, it could save your family or any other innocent person. They're not corrupting devices. I'm not sure the notion where just because you have a gun the chance of you whipping it out during any minor verbal altercation is coming from. Like, I've had arguments and I've been pissed off before while carrying but the gun never even factors into it, doesn't even enter my mind. Most people do not turn into hair-trigger killers the second they get a CCW permit. They're normal people who have either been in situations or can imagine a situation where they may need a gun. And the other argument about "the cops will shoot you and ask questions later" if you actually get training this isn't as big an issue. When I was training with my PD they talked about scenarios like that and what to do. The likelyhood of it happening is slim, if you can drop the shooter than you holster your weapon as soon as you're sure he's not a threat and he doesn't have some accomplice. The PD aren't going to gun you down if they don't see a gun on you and since it will take them more then five or ten minutes for an officer to actually reach the scene of the shooting you'll probably have a chance to reholster and assume the position. The shooting innocent person thing is something we all think about. I sorta decided that if it wasn't a clean shot I wouldn't take it. Die doing the right thing than live having done the wrong thing. If there is a chance at all my shots are going to go wild I'm not taking them. If there is ANYONE behind the shooter than I'm not going to take a shot. And I didn't get my gun exclusively to defend myself against a mass shooting. Yeah, that factors into it, sure but it was primarily so I don't get fucking killed for my truck leaving my work for the night or something.

So how many bad life decisions did he make? Drinking + Xanax + loud movies + actual gun Seems like he could have done a bump of coke too while he was at it

God this thread is a shitfest, this one moron doesn't represent tens of millions of gun owners that handle their firearms safely and do not (presumably) take their weapons into theaters out of paranoia. Yes, 3 day waiting periods, and mandatory courses would be nice, but people flip shit and think gun safety is infringing on 2nd amendment rights. Also gun deaths are still dropping in the U.S. so it is not a "war zone" and if you would feel concerned about visiting here, well talk about being paranoid.

just so you know America is pretty low in the top countries with mass shootings per capita, its just we have much stronger propaganda engines. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] not trying to make an opinion about gun control so pls don't spin it into one

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]Cons: accidentally shoot innocents/yourself[/QUOTE]I know you're just joking but,[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]be a nifty hammer or in some cases a bottle opener[/QUOTE] This is exactly the kind of shit that leads to negligent discharges. I mean I don't think people are actually using guns as hammers (I say this cautiously, surely somebody's done it though) but that level of carelessness is basically why this thread exists. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49617819]Weapon effect leads to changes in behaviour and an increase in aggression or violence.[/QUOTE]Also no it doesn't, it actually leads to just a general wariness and unwillingness to escalate because A: the gun is a heavy reminder that you're armed and thus have a heightened responsibility for your actions because B: starting fights and being a dickhead can and will be used against you in a court of law. People who conceal carry almost universally are one of two types of people: legit concerns for their safety because of occupation, location, or previous experience, (don't try to tell a rape survivor they can't have that .380 pop gun) and your usual, "I suppose it would be a good idea to be prepared for that," type of person. Either way they tend to be on the safety-conscious side and the guy this thread is about probably makes them physically uncomfortable. That's at least how I feel at any rate, just reading that I was like "what the fuck WHY" and it got worse and worse. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] Fellow gun owners does he strike you as one of those "I gotta sight my rifle" types who haunt the range every autumn? You know, the guys who seems genuinely surprised when they cycle the bolt and discover they've had a fucking round chambered since last deer season. I mean maybe not but at the same time that level of carelessness is on par with what this guy had going on.

At least the guy turned himself in. If you don't hold respect for firearms or are not properly trained on how to use them, please do everyone else a favor and don't use them/carry them around.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49620879]just so you know America is pretty low in the top countries with mass shootings per capita, its just we have much stronger propaganda engines. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] not trying to make an opinion about gun control so pls don't spin it into one[/QUOTE] All the countries above it third world/developing. USA is way higher than the next developed nation, so saying that is kind of pointless.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49616978]By "live in" I meant America as a whole. I am going to the US in the summer and I am genuinely unnerved because of all of the shootings. Sounds unreasonable, but then again, you carry weapons to the fucking cinema for the same reason![/QUOTE] Rest easy knowing that you have an astronomically higher chance of dying in a car accident or on the plane over than being involved in an active shooter situation.

[QUOTE=ThePanther;49621061]At least the guy turned himself in.[/QUOTE] Not even. He ditched the mag in a trash can for some reason and then his [I]father[/I] turned him in. [QUOTE=Araknid;49622175]All the countries above it third world/developing. USA is way higher than the next developed nation, so saying that is kind of pointless.[/QUOTE] 'oh hey let's take a trip to mexico and visit the beaches' 'wow someday I'd like to visit kenya and see the animals' 'I went to South America and it was great' 'I'M TOTALLY TERRIFIED OF AMERICA IT'S A WARZONE I'LL GET SHOT IF I STEP OUTSIDE'

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;49617303]why else would you carry a gun?[/QUOTE] Manly man egos that want something to make their life more exciting, so by putting on a gun they can feel like they are the hero ready for ISIS/mugger/mass shooter to come out and get into a heroic battle.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49620879]just so you know America is pretty low in the top countries with mass shootings per capita, its just we have much stronger propaganda engines. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] not trying to make an opinion about gun control so pls don't spin it into one[/QUOTE] what is the source of this? I'm interested in seeing the stats

[QUOTE=General J;49622511]what is the source of this? I'm interested in seeing the stats[/QUOTE] Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism. [t]https://i.gyazo.com/ae4be897c11a8853ebb0ec4a9731a8a4.png[/t] Full link below. [url]http://archive.is/f4gbv[/url] All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"

People who are afraid of America are absolutely fucking brainwashed by the media and its hilarious. They're more paranoid than your average CCL holder is that's for fucking sure. And the most adorable part of it all is that because im an American, people are going to assume that im some gun toting adrenaline junkie, as if my flagdog saying 'Australia' or somewhere else would give me more credibility