Man who feared mass shootings brings gun to movie theater, accidentally shoots woman

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49622524]Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism.

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All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"[/QUOTE]Holy shit, 227 since 2013? I think more people have died from ice related deaths this month alone than that, it wouldn't surprise me given the dumb shit people do when they drive.

[BLOB Fish Dude]

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49620766]God this thread is a shitfest, this one moron doesn't represent tens of millions of gun owners that handle their firearms safely and do not (presumably) take their weapons into theaters out of paranoia. Yes, 3 day waiting periods, and mandatory courses would be nice, but people flip shit and think gun safety is infringing on 2nd amendment rights. Also gun deaths are still dropping in the U.S. so it is not a "war zone" and if you would feel concerned about visiting here, well talk about being paranoid.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to argue about pro or anti gun control, but gun deaths have not been dropping according to ATF studies.

[Freezorg]

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49622593]People who are afraid of America are absolutely fucking brainwashed by the media and its hilarious. They're more paranoid than your average CCL holder is that's for fucking sure.

And the most adorable part of it all is that because im an American, people are going to assume that im some gun toting adrenaline junkie, as if my flagdog saying 'Australia' or somewhere else would give me more credibility[/QUOTE]

I agree with what you're saying and I'm European, doesn't really give anybody any more credibility but it makes it harder to push the "american = gun person / euro = anti-gun person" rethoric by saying things like "o-only you americans don't get it!!!"

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=27X;49617408]Why would you ever assume everyone on planet earth thinks and feels and acts like you, that's some milkandcooki level cognitive dissonance right there.

Can you build a car from memory?

Design a bridge?

Dunk on a standard height basketball goal?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what your post means when all I did was just illustrating that there are probably lots of idiots like the one in the OP but if we are talking about cognitive dissonance let's talk about people who compare keeping a fire extinguisher to carrying a lethal weapon.

[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49622524]Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism.

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All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Small country and they exactly hit the time span of Breivik.

[Araknid]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49622524]Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism.

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All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"[/QUOTE]

I don't think Norway really counts because those 77 deaths are all from one attack

[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49622610]Holy shit, 227 since 2013? I think more people have died from ice related deaths this month alone than that, it wouldn't surprise me given the dumb shit people do when they drive.[/QUOTE]

+ however many were wounded in attacks

[Paul-Simon]

[QUOTE=Araknid;49623708]I don't think Norway really counts because those 77 deaths are all from one attack[/QUOTE]

While it definitely counts, it's very much an anomaly in the statistics at large.

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49622524]Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism.

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All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"[/QUOTE]

whenever i try and find the source of this picture, i get a harvard article about how guns are more likely to cause deaths through negligence

i'm also interested in how they got the figure for number of deaths, considering the US had 380 mass shooting deaths, mid-way through 2015 alone.

i just can't find that statistic for a 4 year period in any place other than this picture - the reference for that rampage shooting figure links to a dead page as well

[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]

[URL]http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/[/URL] lists 367 deaths in mass shootings in 2015 alone (with a limited dataset)

so i really don't know where this 227 figure is coming from - considering that 544 deaths are listed in the date period of June 2014 - January 2016

seems insane to me that your mass shootings would inexplicably become more fatal after a 4 year period of apparently very few people being killed

(i don't think mass shooting fatalities are significant in statistics, but i don't think that picture is reliable either)

also switzerland is listed as having restrictive gun-ownership, which considering their extremely high gun ownership rate, is real difficult to argue - but because the terminology is never defined it could literally mean anything

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49620766]God this thread is a shitfest, this one moron doesn't represent tens of millions of gun owners that handle their firearms safely and do not (presumably) take their weapons into theaters out of paranoia. Yes, 3 day waiting periods, and mandatory courses would be nice, but people flip shit and think gun safety is infringing on 2nd amendment rights. Also gun deaths are still dropping in the U.S. so it is not a "war zone" and if you would feel concerned about visiting here, well talk about being paranoid.[/QUOTE]

Yeah you are right.
I thought it was clear we are taking OP as exemplary and talking about the general problem.
Guess we need to point it out.

You are right he does not represent all.

But you know what does?
[quote]505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5][/quote]
in 2013.

That is much much more than by mass shootings. How are you justifying allowing carry, open or conceal with those numbers.

I mean ffs
[quote]Accidental injuries are most common in homes where guns are kept for self-defense.[77][/quote]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Accidental_gun_injuries[/url]

[NoPartyHats]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49624060]whenever i try and find the source of this picture, i get a harvard article about how guns are more likely to cause deaths through negligence

i'm also interested in how they got the figure for number of deaths, considering the US had 380 mass shooting deaths, mid-way through 2015 alone.

i just can't find that statistic for a 4 year period in any place other than this picture - the reference for that rampage shooting figure links to a dead page as well

[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]

[URL]http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/[/URL] lists 367 deaths in mass shootings in 2015 alone (with a limited dataset)

so i really don't know where this 227 figure is coming from - considering that 544 deaths are listed in the date period of June 2014 - January 2016

seems insane to me that your mass shootings would inexplicably become more fatal after a 4 year period of apparently very few people being killed

(i don't think mass shooting fatalities are significant in statistics, but i don't think that picture is reliable either)

also switzerland is listed as having restrictive gun-ownership, which considering their extremely high gun ownership rate, is real difficult to argue - but because the terminology is never defined it could literally mean anything[/QUOTE]

The swiss -do- have incredibly restrictive laws about firearms. The reason you see so many gun owners is because those in the military are allowed to keep their service rifles at home. The caveat is that it's illegal to have ammunition for it.

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49624297]The swiss -do- have incredibly restrictive laws about firearms. The reason you see so many gun owners is because those in the military are allowed to keep their service rifles at home. The caveat is that it's illegal to have ammunition for it.[/QUOTE]

right, but it's listed as restricted with the UK

i guarantee we have more restricted gun laws than the Swiss

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49624060]i'm also interested in how they got the figure for number of deaths, considering the US had 380 mass shooting deaths, mid-way through 2015 alone. [/QUOTE]

There are differing definitions for 'mass shooting'. Under some definitions, two men burglarizing a convenience store and getting shot by the owner constitutes a 'mass shooting' because it was a shooting resulting in two or more fatalities. Maybe that's a useful metric for some purposes, but those figures are often lumped in with mass murders to exaggerate the incidence of the latter. All I'm saying is, look at what definition they're using and where the data comes from.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49624152]That is much much more than by mass shootings. How are you justifying allowing carry, open or conceal with those numbers.[/QUOTE]

Estimates [url=http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent]accepted by the historically anti-gun CDC[/url] put American defensive gun use at around one million incidents per year. One million defensive gun uses per year puts the ratio at about two thousand legitimate defensive uses for every death due to accidental discharge.

[Cloak_Raider]

[QUOTE=catbarf;49624524]There are differing definitions for 'mass shooting'. Under some definitions, two men burglarizing a convenience store and getting shot by the owner constitutes a 'mass shooting' because it was a shooting resulting in two or more fatalities. Maybe that's a useful metric for some purposes, but those figures are often lumped in with mass murders to exaggerate the incidence of the latter. All I'm saying is, look at what definition they're using and where the data comes from.
[/QUOTE]

in which case we should completely ignore that picture then, seeing as the website it's from doesn't exist anymore, and the source it uses for that figure is now unreferenced

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49624297]The swiss -do- have incredibly restrictive laws about firearms. The reason you see so many gun owners is because those in the military are allowed to keep their service rifles at home. The caveat is that it's illegal to have ammunition for it.[/QUOTE]

This is something of a myth. The Swiss are required to store government issued ammunition in armories, but are allowed to purchase ammunition for their own weapons and practice freely. In fact, the Swiss have a system of gun ownership that is more permitting than that of New York or California. Switzerland has an active gun culture, guns in every house, and ammunition available to anyone who owns a gun.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49624536]in which case we should completely ignore that picture then, seeing as the website it's from doesn't exist anymore, and the source it uses for that figure is now unreferenced[/QUOTE]

Sure.

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=nox;49622348]Manly man egos that want something to make their life more exciting, so by putting on a gun they can feel like they are the hero ready for ISIS/mugger/mass shooter to come out and get into a heroic battle.[/QUOTE]
The only ego I see being stroked her is your own. There are rational people with rational reasons to own a gun. Stop pretending you're above everyone else, and stop falsely representing gun owners.

This is coming from, again, a guy for gun control. People who own guns aren't awful. Not all people who own guns are paranoid. It doesn't have to be this big showy component of their lives. If you're distracted by the fact that someone else has a gun, perhaps you're the one that needs to grow up.

[Headhumpy]

why do people care so much about mass shootings, they're obviously a minor statistic compared to all the other gun deaths (homicides, suicides, and accidents)

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49624681]why do people care so much about mass shootings, they're obviously a minor statistic compared to all the other gun deaths (homicides, suicides, and accidents)[/QUOTE]

Because it's spectacular and emotional and most important it sells news much better than accidents.
People don't want to discuss abstract concepts, facts and statistics, they want easy solutions and the most easiest one is responding to threats with bigger threats in the hope of waving the bigger one.

That's the American way of politics of the last 100 years and it's a reflection of its society.

Fatal car accidents? Drive bigger car. Uses more gas? Who cares.
Rise of psychological problems? Stronger pills and more of them for the kids.
Oil spill? Just wash it away with chemicals that might or might not be more dangerous than the oil itself.(they are and they cause cancer)

I'm getting polemic but you get the gist.

[IlluminatiRex]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49624681]why do people care so much about mass shootings, they're obviously a minor statistic compared to all the other gun deaths (homicides, suicides, and accidents)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is the numbers from another post I made on the subject matter.

[quote]Between 2005 and 2015 the amount of gun related deaths was about 301,797 (over a decade). While yes, that is a big number, the number of dead in 2013 alone, due to heart disease was 611,105 people. Cancer claimed 584,881 lives in 2013. It took a decade, a decade in which gun related homicides were falling as it is, to reach half the amount of lives claimed as cancer in a single year.

In 2013 (the latest year on record) a total of 2,596,993 people died, with Heart Disease and Cancer taking over a million lives on their own. In 2013, on its own, there were a grand total of 33,636 gun related deaths (I'm assuming the CDC put suicide in which the method was using a firearm into that number as well as accidental deaths, as the heading is "All firearm deaths").

In 2013 there were 14,196 murders.

Gun deaths have been going down, and continue to be doing so (though sadly Suicides have risen)

[t]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/10/FT_15.10.13_gunViolence.png[/t]

Numbers for that portion were taken from here

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lead...s-of-death.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm[/url]
[url]https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...rdermain_final[/url]
[url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...rate-edges-up/[/url]
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nd-terrorism-/[/url][/quote]

[quote]In 2013, 137 individuals were killed in a mass killing, which is defined as an event in which 4 or more people are killed at once. Most of these events involved guns, but not all of them (numbers taken from here [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/mass-killings-data-map/2820423/[/url]). 107 individuals were killed in shooting only mass killings.

Percentage of total deaths of those killed in gun related deaths in 2013: 1.3%
Percentage of total deaths of those killed because of cancer in 2013: 23.53%

Out of all those deaths in 2013, only 1.3% were gun related.

.55% of people who died in 2013 were murdered, and .01% of people who died in 2013 were killed in a mass killing (Not all of these deaths were gun related).[/quote]

Now, I'm not saying we just ignore guns or something, but its a multifaceted issue that can't be solved with a single piece of feel good legislation and would require actual change to bring about having the overall violent crime rate brought down. It's not "just" guns, and it's not "just" mental health. It's a very large issue. As well, in 2013 0.32% of those killed via firearm were in a mass killing that was entirely shooting. Again, since I don't know the breakdown on the mass killings that involved more than just firearms, I can not be certain what that number would be - though not all that much higher.

[Matt2468rv]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the issue here, which is that he "popped a Xanax, ate a pizza and downed a 22-ounce beer" and then proceeded to carry. Laws are already in place which make that illegal. Well, except for the pizza. :v:

[pentium]

-oh fuck wrong thread-

[cpt.armadillo]

[QUOTE=pentium;49625994]-oh fuck wrong thread-[/QUOTE]

Anything that mentions them in the slightest automatically becomes a firearms debate thread.

[editline]28th January 2016[/editline]

Oh, dang.

[spaceghost]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49624152]Yeah you are right.
I thought it was clear we are taking OP as exemplary and talking about the general problem.
Guess we need to point it out.

You are right he does not represent all.

But you know what does?

in 2013.

That is much much more than by mass shootings. How are you justifying allowing carry, open or conceal with those numbers.

I mean ffs

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Accidental_gun_injuries[/url][/QUOTE]

See how many of those accidental discharges were from actual licensed CC'ers or fucktards with no concept of safety. It's why I said mandatory gun courses should be in place. We really need bad reading back.

[Deunan]

[QUOTE=kikomia;49616649]How do people even manage to smuggle firearms into movie theaters?[/QUOTE]

I've never seen a security check at a cinema to be honest. So I'd say pretty easily.

[Phygon]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49622524]Norway and Finland top the list if you judge it by population. Israel pops up too because of all the mass shootings related to terrorism.

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All I did was google "highest mass shootings by country"[/QUOTE]

It's also worth noting that any "mass shooting" is just a shooting in which 3 or more people get injured

[Strider77]

Just throwing this out there to all you astounding intellectuals who think 'America is literally a warzone':

In America, you are more likely to die falling down stairs than being shot in a mass shooting

[Revenge282]

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;49651258]Just throwing this out there to all you astounding intellectuals who think 'America is literally a warzone':

In America, you are more likely to die falling down stairs than being shot in a mass shooting[/QUOTE]

I'm all for banning stairs if this is going where I think it's going...:v:

[Boozy&Bitter]

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49616621]Ironically enough I was carrying during the same movie but I didn't do shoot anyone. Probably because I wasn't medicated, drinking and I kept it in a holster and not loosely in my waistband.[/QUOTE]

while i agree that the guy is stupid, a xanax and 22oz beer isnt going to fuck you up

[FingerSpazem]

What a fucking idiot, deserves to get his concealed carry take away

[Phygon]

[QUOTE=Rubs10;49667990]while i agree that the guy is stupid, a xanax and 22oz beer isnt going to fuck you up[/QUOTE]

Everyone's different, a 22 of beer is enough to make me pretty tipsy

[Bahamut88]

:speechless: