[QUOTE=Doriol;27050613]the police officer who shot this man should be fired immediately and be put on trial
having a shiny badge and uniform does not give you the excuse to use extreme force for no good reason[/QUOTE]
Look at how the guy was in position he was clearly going to throw the Golf Club at the cops direction!
[QUOTE=Rock Ironrod;27050643]
Did you even read the threa
fuck this shit i'm going to bed[/QUOTE]
I skimmed over the news article. fuck the thread. the last 3 pages are probably just people like you admitting how they would bend over and let a police officer fuck them in the ass if they were told to
[QUOTE=Doriol;27050659]I skimmed over the news article. fuck the thread. the last 3 pages are probably just people like you admitting how they would bend over and let a police officer fuck them in the ass if they were told to[/QUOTE]
No, it is filled with idiots like you hating on the cops every chance they get. While 3 of us point out sound logic and have to deal with ignorant kids.
[QUOTE=Squad;27050674]No, it is filled with idiots like you hating on the cops every chance they get. While 3 of us point out sound logic and have to deal with ignorant kids.[/QUOTE]
running into a persons home and shooting them for possessing drugs and holding a golf club is not logical
[QUOTE=Doriol;27050697]running into a persons home and shooting them for possessing drugs and holding a golf club is not logical[/QUOTE]
Proved my point.
He had a golf club, why wouldn't you shoot him? It's that, or get hit over the head with a potentially deadly golf club.
[QUOTE=Squad;27050674]No, it is filled with idiots like you hating on the cops every chance they get. While 3 of us point out sound logic and have to deal with ignorant kids.[/QUOTE]
Your sound logic is that the officer was right to shoot a guy (who possibly only heard the thuds of them kicking the door, not also the shouts, because he was in the basement, so he thought it was a robbery, and in a such case wasn't given enough time to react himself) because he couldn't figure out if the guy had a club or a gun, and was acting under the possibility of the guy being a drug dealer, and thus dangerous.
It's a big matter of [b]opinion[/b], not logic.
Also a big part of this is the aftermath. They killed an innocent guy, who had no gun, and couldn't seriously hurt them without them immobilizing him anyway.
[QUOTE=darksoul69;27047527]"legally justified"
We must have some of the worst cops in the world. I also do not see how this was even remotely legally justified.[/QUOTE]
Cops don't break down your door expecting you to open them with open arms and stay for tea and crumpets, they expect drug dealers and suppliers to be armed and dangerous. The man made the horrible mistake of brandishing a fucking golf club on cops. If I were the first one in I'd expect anything and everything imaginable. You don't have slow mo like in call of duty or bullshit like that, you have wanted criminals who will do ANYTHING to get away.
If you charge at a cop holding something you're going to get shot. I don't blame the individual officer in this case, I blame the system for having him there in the first place.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27052087]If you charge at a cop holding something you're going to get shot. I don't blame the individual officer in this case, I blame the system for having him there in the first place.[/QUOTE]
this is basically what I've been saying
the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. are all at fault here
I found this whole bit here to be hilarious.
[quote]
“He was not a dealer,” Arlean Blair insists. “[b]I know that he used[/b] ... but he was not a drug dealer. [highlight]A drug dealer has lots of money and nice things.[/highlight][b] If you looked in his house, he had nothing. He gave everything away to people who were having trouble.”[/b]
Two of Blair’s friends claimed they never saw him even use drugs, but others told police he had caved in to his meth addiction.
“He was paranoid,” Candice Coburn — Blair’s on-again, off-again girlfriend — is quoted as saying in a police interview. “His brain was fried. He would punch and yell at invisible people and me.”[/quote]
First off, look at the red highlighted bit. Drug dealers may have tons of money, but most of that is used into buying more product and expanding their enterprise. Very little of that money is actually used for anything other than drugs.
Now look at the bolded bit, they stated clearly that he used. But at the same time, claim that he would just "give away" his things to people who needed help. When the only thing I see is somebody who pawns or sells their belongings for more drugs.
4 possible options (in my opinion)
1: The guy was a junkie and sold all of his things to get his fix and feed his addiction.
2: The guy was a dealer and the home he was in was either a hideout, or a stash/cooking house. Because most gang and drug cartel houses are void of furnature and filled with trash to hide the drugs, money, and guns.
3: Guy did both.
4: Guy was innocent (highly HIGHLY unlikely)
[QUOTE=Janizaurd;27051927]Your sound logic is that the officer was right to shoot a guy (who possibly only heard the thuds of them kicking the door, not also the shouts, because he was in the basement, so he thought it was a robbery, and in a such case wasn't given enough time to react himself) because he couldn't figure out if the guy had a club or a gun, and was acting under the possibility of the guy being a drug dealer, and thus dangerous.
It's a big matter of [b]opinion[/b], not logic.
Also a big part of this is the aftermath. They killed an innocent guy, who had no gun, and couldn't seriously hurt them without them immobilizing him anyway.[/QUOTE]
The logic is based on the police actions, their training and their protocol.
The bit that you mentioned about him not hearing it is a matter of opinion. But honestly, the best excuse they could come up with is he was in the basement? If you believe that, then you are one gullible son of a bitch. How long does it take you to get up the stairs? More than half a second. If he heard them coming, he heard the shouts... If he was in the basement, he wouldn't have jumped around the corner the SPLIT SECOND THEY KNOCK THE DOOR OPEN.
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;27052158]this is basically what I've been saying
the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. are all at fault here[/QUOTE]
Get out of here with the no-knock warrants crap. Clearly the video shows them sneaking into this house... *rolls eyes*
They make their presence KNOWN...
[QUOTE=Snapzies;27045771]Maybe he should've walked out with his hands above his head unarmed and prepared for the inevitable instead of thinking it's a super bright idea to threaten a cop with a weapon.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the police should stop doing drug raids if they continually result in death?
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;27049668]If he was holding it like a gun, then maybe I can understand. But he was holding it like he was about to swing something, which would have in no way been a threat to the six-eight officers in full body armor. They didn't have to shoot him in the head either. I just think the cops should have been trained better because stuff like this unfortunately happens way too often.[/QUOTE]
You make yourself sound like you know alot about how to act in that situation. I don't think so. I think you'll do the same shit.
[QUOTE=spacedooky;27045951]The dude was brandishing a golf club, he kinda brought it on himself.[/QUOTE]
Cause everyone knows Golf Club > Man with gun and bullet proof vest
[QUOTE=Pasalaqcua;27053021]Cause everyone knows Golf Club > Man with gun and bullet proof vest[/QUOTE]
Read the thread. We have already debated how the weapon could have been mistaken for a gun. Quit arguing this same stupid argument that it was only a Golf Club.
They should have thrown a flashbang before entering the home. It makes me kinda side with the family because it seems they didn't have time to assess the situation before entering the situation. I think they just decided to enter the home without hesitation.
It also makes sense that the shooting was "legally" justified because you know, they are cops. Once somebody becomes a cop, they instantly get a license to pretty much do whatever the fuck they want with the worst penalty being losing their job.
[QUOTE=Squad;27053148]Read the thread. We have already debated how the weapon could have been mistaken for a gun. Quit arguing this same stupid argument that it was only a Golf Club.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.golfgizmachi.com/images/golfpic3_full.jpg[/img]
Resembles
[img]http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/photos/pistol_m9_500.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=brianosaur;27053659]They should have thrown a flashbang before entering the home. It makes me kinda side with the family because it seems they didn't have time to assess the situation before entering the situation. I think they just decided to enter the home without hesitation.
It also makes sense that the shooting was "legally" justified because you know, they are cops. Once somebody becomes a cop, they instantly get a license to pretty much do whatever the fuck they want with the worst penalty being losing their job.[/QUOTE]
They sure don't... Just because this situation is more than enough to justify it, it doesn't mean that every situation is like this. And that is the problem with the majority of people on this damn forum it seems like.
Just because of one thing ALL cops are ALWAYS bad FOREVER.
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
Oh hey Pasalaqcua you tried to make a joke!
[IMG]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/yoman258/shithead.png[/IMG]
In a poorly lit home of a potential drug dealer, who JUMPED around the corner with it...
Yeah, it couldn't be mistaken at all.
Looked like a textbook breach.
In close quarters the weapon doesn't matter. If you are armed, you get shot. Failure to do so on the part of the officer leaves a gap in room coverage and puts the entire entry team at risk.
Breaching homes is dangerous as shit.
I imagine this was considered to be a relatively low risk warrant. Nobody even has a rifle or a shotgun. It looks like everyone was just carrying a pistol. Which would probably explain the lack of a flashbang (which are actually extremely dangerous themselves and are generally only used in high risk situations). Also note that I'm not sure search warrants (as opposed to arrest warrants) allow for breaching with flashbangs in every municipality.
At least someone else knows what they are talking about.
[QUOTE=Magistrate;27050538][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media][/QUOTE]
[quote] I* GIVE A FUCK THAT HE'S A VIETNAM VET YOU FUCKING BASTARD. FUCKING REVENUE PIG DETAINS THE MAN WHO WENT TO FUCKING WAR FOR US. WHAT DID THAT PIG EVER DO? HUH??? DETAINS THE VET, HITS HIM WITH HIS FUCKING ASP, SHOOTS AT HIM FIRST, BARKING COMMANDS AND ORDERS, FUCK THAT. AND FUCK YOU. AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING BITCH BOOHOOING ASS YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKER.[/quote]
Well, that's distasteful.
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
You know, I want a thread dedicated to discussion on things like that video above, that'd be rather interesting.
[QUOTE=Squad;27052387]The bit that you mentioned about him not hearing it is a matter of opinion. But honestly, the best excuse they could come up with is he was in the basement? If you believe that, then you are one gullible son of a bitch. How long does it take you to get up the stairs? More than half a second. If he heard them coming, he heard the shouts... If he was in the basement, he wouldn't have jumped around the corner the SPLIT SECOND THEY KNOCK THE DOOR OPEN.[/QUOTE]
I watched the video again, and yeah that seems unlikely. I still don't like that they shot, and killed him even though he just had a club.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;27047696]Why would be it be so hard for one officer to have a taser - and use that first? Hell, even tear or CS gas would be have been a better choice.[/QUOTE]
yeah man because 'special weapons and tactics' barge in on a drug raid weilding tazers
do you know how fucking stupid that sounds?
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Magistrate;27050538][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media][/QUOTE]
this is something most of you should watch and understand how stressful police work can be and how dangerous it can get if you dont decide to react properly to certain situations (i find it dumb that most of you think that 2-3 second situations can be thought out carefully by your average stressed cop with his life at risk)
its pretty disturbing too
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;27054440]Well, that's distasteful.
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
You know, I want a thread dedicated to discussion on things like that video above, that'd be rather interesting.[/QUOTE]
I hope that veteran got fucking murdered. The cop had a fucking family I'm sure and that veteran just fucking murdered him for what reason? Because he pulled him over? That's fucking bullshit. And that commenter is a fucking idiot, but what do I expect from youtube?
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
And YEAH HE WAS BARKING ORDERS, fuck, the veteran was acting like a fucking retard and not complying with the police
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
And how the fuck does "being a veteran" give him an excuse to not listen to the police when he broke the law?
[QUOTE=Gibo990;27047088]Leg shots are also effective at disabling a potential threat, what's the need in body shots that was just horrible.[/QUOTE]
You don't shoot to wound you idiot.
[QUOTE=Zally13;27045251]cops need to stop playing call of duty god dammit[/QUOTE]
Stop acting like you know anything about the situation or police procedure. If there is 8-10+ well armored police SWAT, you know that they are expecting a possibly armed opponent and with that situation you take no risks.
[QUOTE=RayDark;27045744]Taxpayers money at work, paying for the misuse of the law. Someone train these fucks.[/QUOTE]
Typical uninformed RayDark post.
[QUOTE=Callius;27047493]It was a golf club, he wasn't even close enough to swing it and they could obviously see what it was. They were completely unjustified in shooting him 3 times.
Being a meth addict isn't a crime. Holding a golf club isn't a real threat, he's completely outnumbered and against armed cops, the 'best' he could have done was give one of them a slight bruising from swinging it at them.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck can you tell its a golf club? It could have been a sword or some other item. When someone is trying to bruise you as a patrol officer you stun or subdue, during a SWAT raid you don't do that.
[QUOTE=TheGuru;27045237]And to think if they hadn't conducted the drug raid nobody would have been hurt[/QUOTE]
Yea, except maybe him killing or harming his girlfriend which she stated in the article that his brain was fried. He was punching at invisible people, do you think he won't hurt someone?
[QUOTE=rnate;27046962]Uhh, no. An officer is NEVER trained to kill anyone. It is COMPLETELY and totally last resort. Looked more like first resort in the video. Obviously the criminal isn't in the right here, but the police didn't do much better.[/QUOTE]
Shooting to kill in self defense is pretty high up on training priority for police.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27056161]I hope that veteran got fucking murdered. The cop had a fucking family I'm sure and that veteran just fucking murdered him for what reason? Because he pulled him over? That's fucking bullshit. And that commenter is a fucking idiot, but what do I expect from youtube?
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
And YEAH HE WAS BARKING ORDERS, fuck, the veteran was acting like a fucking retard and not complying with the police
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
And how the fuck does "being a veteran" give him an excuse to not listen to the police when he broke the law?[/QUOTE]
because he was a schizo that was clearly insane and left scarred from the war, according to the article about him he use to set up bombs in the korean war or something and watch peoples legs blow off or some horrible shit like that
he got death penalty nonetheless, so justice was served
e: still, if you see someone with a gun and you're a cop, depending on the severity of the situation its sometimes not a good idea to hesitate to pull the trigger. It could be your life instead of theirs.
It's a police raid, not swat.
[QUOTE=Moose;27056548]he got death penalty nonetheless, so justice was served
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:byodood:
But he..he...HE HAS A GOLF CLUB
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