• Police video shows how drug raid turned deadly
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[QUOTE=Squad;27063915]Okay, the "war on drugs" isn't stupid. They are breaking up large operations dealing cocaine and meth and other substances. Yeah, sure if you want to say shouldn't happen with marijuana whatever. I am only debating the more serious drugs.[/QUOTE] victimless crimes keeping drugs illegal is fueling the violence
[QUOTE=JDK721;27064128]victimless crimes keeping drugs illegal is fueling the violence[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as saying Victimless crimes.
[QUOTE=Squad;27063915]Okay, the "war on drugs" isn't stupid. They are breaking up large operations dealing cocaine and meth and other substances. Yeah, sure if you want to say shouldn't happen with marijuana whatever. I am only debating the more serious drugs.[/QUOTE] It's stupid because it doesn't seem to make any difference. There are still huge, powerful cartels, and there are still hundreds of thousands of addicts. I don't know what the best way to deal with drug use in society is, but declaring 'war' on it isn't working.
[QUOTE=Squad;27064143]Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as saying Victimless crimes.[/QUOTE] Either way people are going to use drugs. A country legalized all drugs and a few years later had the lowest drug rate in years. [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Camundongo;27064176]It's stupid because it doesn't seem to make any difference. There are still huge, powerful cartels, and there are still hundreds of thousands of addicts. I don't know what the best way to deal with drug use in society is, but declaring 'war' on it isn't working.[/QUOTE] Also making it legal will stop the drug dealers that do the crime.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27064202]Either way people are going to use drugs. A country legalized all drugs and a few years later had the lowest drug rate in years. [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] Also making it legal will stop the drug dealers that do the crime.[/QUOTE] Well, I think you're talking about Portugal, which didn't legalise drug use, but decriminalized it, and while the levels of drug use stayed roughly the same, the deaths due to it were drastically reduced, because people could seek medical advice and attention without fear of repercussions. EDIT: My mistake, usage fell as well. The sale of drugs is still illegal, but the possession of drugs for personal use is no longer a crime.
[QUOTE=Squad;27064143]Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as saying Victimless crimes.[/QUOTE] using drugs is a personal choice that only hurts themselves victimless crime
[QUOTE=Xolo;27047490]How was he a real criminal or a real threat? He was in his home, then woken up by banging and shouts outside his house, so he grabbed something to defend himself with then went to look and see what it was.[/QUOTE] "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT!!" So he grabs a golf club?
[QUOTE=Squad;27063915]Okay, the "war on drugs" isn't stupid. They are breaking up large operations dealing cocaine and meth and other substances. Yeah, sure if you want to say shouldn't happen with marijuana whatever. I am only debating the more serious drugs.[/QUOTE] You're not debating, you're telling people that you know what's best for them. If people want to inject cyanide into their eyeballs, the only thing you should be doing if anything is help them insert the syringe. Instead, you choose to be a violent, tyrannic piece of shit who tries to justify things like this.
[QUOTE=JDK721;27064299]using drugs is a personal choice that only hurts themselves victimless crime[/QUOTE] Have you ever met a drug addict?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064328]"POLICE SEARCH WARRANT!!" So he grabs a golf club?[/QUOTE] they could have waited for him to attack before shooting him 3 times.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064337]Have you ever met a drug addict?[/QUOTE] yes
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064337]Have you ever met a drug addict?[/QUOTE] yes and legalizing it would take the criminal aspect out of it.
[QUOTE=Squad;27064143]Yeah, I wouldn't go as far as saying Victimless crimes.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless_crime[/url] [QUOTE]A victimless crime is an infraction of criminal law without any identifiable evidence of an individual that has suffered damage in the infraction. Typical examples include violations of laws concerning public decency or public order, and include the [highlight]sale, possession, and use of illicit drugs[/highlight], prostitution, trafficking in pornography, and gambling.[/QUOTE] Please stop being wrong, people are dying because of it.
My friend lives right next door to this guy, he told me all about it.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27064360]yes and legalizing it would take the criminal aspect out of it.[/QUOTE] I don't think drug trafficking or dealing should be legalised, but making drugs legal for personal use and provide medical support to get people off them, or least control their usage of drugs, and focusing on prevention is better than arresting addicts.
[QUOTE=Esteam;27064377]My friend lives right next door to this guy, he told me all about it.[/QUOTE] did he hear the event unfold
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[QUOTE=Camundongo;27064394]I don't think drug trafficking or dealing should be legalised, but making drugs legal for personal use and provide medical support to get people off them, or least control their usage of drugs, and focusing on prevention is better than arresting addicts.[/QUOTE] yea what you said
[QUOTE=clanratc;27046048]He was charging towards them with something that might be mistaken as a knife or some other weapon. The cops are trained to shoot in that situation.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/3733/5032golf_club.jpg[/img] PRETTY SHARP KNIFE IF YA ASK ME /c [editline]30th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;27064402]did he hear the event unfold[/QUOTE] Yeah.
[QUOTE=JDK721;27064351]yes[/QUOTE] And you're agreeing that drugs only ever hurt the drug user themself? Despite stories (in the news) of addicts stealing shit or selling their children's christmas toys?
This video is exactly how I play SWAT 4!
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27064360]yes and legalizing it would take the criminal aspect out of it.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about that [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27064347]they could have waited for him to attack before shooting him 3 times.[/QUOTE] Except they only got a glimpse of it, if it turned out to be a gun or a detonator or something, they all might've been dead.
I'd like to proclaim my disassociation from the idiots in here who think they themselves could tell a shiny golf club from a knife/gun in the dark conditions faced by the police officers. Good luck getting shot by the time you potentially realize that it's not a golf club. What [i]should[/i] be said is that they shouldn't have stormed his house in the first place.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064500]And you're agreeing that drugs only ever hurt the drug user themself? [/QUOTE] uh lol have you ever seen a rock of crack lunge at somebody idiot
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064510]I'm not talking about that [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] Except they only got a glimpse of it, if it turned out to be a gun or a detonator or something, they all might've been dead.[/QUOTE] yea he could of but he probably did not. should they just shoot everyone they see because they might have a gun? think about it they stormed into his house. I could see if he stormed into theres.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27064500]And you're agreeing that drugs only ever hurt the drug user themself? Despite stories (in the news) of addicts stealing shit or selling their children's christmas toys?[/QUOTE] Would more addicts attempt to seek help and treatment, or be reduced to stealing for money, if they weren't driven underground or prosecuted and given criminal records? Reckless use of drugs, like alcohol, would still be illegal. But I don't think decriminalizing drugs is liable to cause addicts to steal more.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;27064630]Would more addicts attempt to seek help and treatment, or be reduced to stealing for money, if they weren't driven underground or prosecuted and given criminal records? Reckless use of drugs, like alcohol, would still be illegal. But I don't think decriminalizing drugs is liable to cause addicts to steal more.[/QUOTE] Because the number of alcohol/tobacco related incidents that result in death or disfigurement are so much smaller then illegal drugs.
[QUOTE=JDK721;27064299]using drugs is a personal choice that only hurts themselves victimless crime[/QUOTE] If you really think hard drugs (pcp, lsd, crack, meth) should be legalized because its a victimless crime you're crazy. Bullets go right through people with pcp, it takes 3-4 tazers to take some one hopped up on that down. Oh look a pcp crazed guy harming other people. [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13f_1174233096[/url] Mace doesn't do shit, bashing his head into a car doesn't do anything. It's dangerous bro.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;27064650]Because the number of alcohol/tobacco related incidents that result in death or disfigurement are so much smaller then illegal drugs.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization[/url] Two articles on the same subject - Portugal decriminalizing drugs resulted in a reduced number of deaths from overdose. You aren't making the drugs easier to get, but what is easier to access is treatment and support to overcome your addiction, and the ability to try and resume a normal life afterwards.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27064580]yea he could of but he probably did not. should they just shoot everyone they see because they might have a gun? think about it they stormed into his house. I could see if he stormed into theres.[/QUOTE] They're trained to fight for their lives, they aren't supposed to check to see if it's actually a gun and if it actually has bullets and the if shooter is actually willing to shoot. Besides, he actually did have a weapon, and what kind of person arms themselves when the police come? It didn't look like he was putting the golf club down anyway. [editline]29th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Camundongo;27064686][url]http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization[/url] Two articles on the same subject - Portugal decriminalizing drugs resulted in a reduced number of deaths from overdose. You aren't making the drugs easier to get, but what is easier to access is treatment and support to overcome your addiction, and the ability to try and resume a normal life afterwards.[/QUOTE] Except that's not what I was arguing in the first place, drugs do hurt people other than the user, which is the point I am making.
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