• Dota 2 out of beta
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MOBA games aren't for everyone thats for sure. I used to have an irrational hate towards Valve for a few months for releasing what I described as "a fucking Warcraft 3 mod made with fancy graphics by a company that has consistently made first person shooters since their start." First 10 games of Dota 2, I hated it. Back then there were no tutorials, pretty much no info, no one helped me whatsoever. That's been helped a lot now by the pretty intensive tutorials they just released a week ago. I really do enjoy the game now, although it's still a chore to play without a few friends. It's kind of like MMOs, fighting games, and RTS games. They aren't for everyone and I can understand and respect that. But I still think you should give Dota 2 another try if you're 100% new or you played it ages ago. Just try out the tutorial, I'm sure you have friends that play it and I guarantee you they would not mind giving you some help or even teach you hands on. If they don't, well they're probably dicks anyway and why are they on your friends list? With the new lowbie system you WILL be matched for about 10 games, 100% people your skill level who are doing the tutorial. I regularly matchmake for easy bot games and I try and help really new players in areas that Valve isn't addressing yet. I'm by no means a pro but I really enjoy watching people and friends progress in their skill. I helped teach one of my friends how to play Dota 2, he really took off and now he's about 5x better than me and has near a thousand wins, while I only have about 100.
Out of beta? Will it get more? [sp]this joke is so old I bet.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Reimu;41388089]Sometimes the most volatile people are also the ones actively leading your team. It ends up where you're having some moron dissing everyone on their team, but also trying to organize the rest of the team team together for ganks and tower defense. so it's a lose-lose situation no matter what you do - you either sever your communication with your team's most experienced player, or you put up with another 20 minutes of a teammate taking out his frustration on the rest of his team.[/QUOTE] I find that the "ragers" are typically bad players themselves. I mute every bad mannered player I play with and usually those games don't turn out to be that bad. I guess it depends in the skill bracket you're in or something.
Nice, I have loved my time with this game. With all these shitty games that hold your hand and throw medals at you everytime you take a step, it's been nice to get so into a true hardcore PC game that takes actual skill. Will continue to enjoy it.
The game is tolerable if one of my friends wants me to play with them but I can't get into it playing just by myself. Either I just don't know what I'm doing half the time or it gets too hard for me to kill real players. [editline].[/editline] I'll check out the FP guild and become a Dota master.
I've been waiting for this day, thinking this would mean the Mac release, but alas, I still have to use my super sketchy unstable wine wrapped version, where all particle effects just appear as black holes.
Dota 2 is the sort of game I'd really like to get in to. The problem is, I don't want to play by myself. If you play with friends it removes some of the "5 idiots/assholes playing together" effect - that's why I never play LoL alone. But my friends don't want to learn Dota, because LoL is a game we already understand and have some small competency at, not to mention that Dota is hard as balls.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41385743]They're gone![/QUOTE] Looks like us Beetuhs got some sort of a mythical item thingy out of it...
Dota 2 doesn't feel out of beta to me. It seems they've only announced that it is so that people would sign up for it and they can see the demand for the game. There is still many heroes needed to be ported, Mac and Linux support, achievements, new Captain's Mode picking screen, and the numerous amount of bugs. Also the game in China and Korea are not fully localized yet and both of the versions of Dota 2 in those countries are still in a very closed down beta state.
I still have all my invites for this. Fuck.
I'm honestly not interested in this game I played it for a while and it was fun but I'm just really not interested The community is awful and spends most of its time bragging about how LoL sucks and it doesn't appear to have anything new besides grimdark character designs The reason might be that this is coming from Valve, who took their flagship franchise and dove it 6 feet underground to make this thing... No offense.
Oh, they have the newbie-stuff in place now. Might actually give it a try now.
[QUOTE=nikomo;41390704]Oh, they have the newbie-stuff in place now. Might actually give it a try now.[/QUOTE] Take the tutorials with a grain of salt. It bullshits you so much when it comes to leveling skills/building items. [editline]10th July 2013[/editline] Still it's good for learning the general layout of things. Just don't go into a game and build Arcane Boots on Sniper.
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Dota is a game that I hate to love to hate to love. It's a great and fun game, but the entire experience can be ruined by one mistake. Or people who can't communicate (wisp buying divine rapier oh god! no skeleton king we cant read your mind) [QUOTE=MilkBagz;41391120]box[/QUOTE] wowie zowie a big box you sure showed him
[QUOTE=MrHeadHopper;41390596]I'm honestly not interested in this game I played it for a while and it was fun but I'm just really not interested The community is awful and spends most of its time bragging about how LoL sucks and it doesn't appear to have anything new besides grimdark character designs The reason might be that this is coming from Valve, who took their flagship franchise and dove it 6 feet underground to make this thing... No offense.[/QUOTE] the only time people complain about LoL is on forums and shit, it's childish, but I have never seen it in game. I don't understand your flagship part. It's probably not a good thing if you're judging a game based off of a game that hasn't been released or talked about.
[QUOTE=rilez;41386077]They're not done adding heroes/balancing the game/adding new content They're going to update it just like TF2. They have separate dev teams.[/QUOTE] The game is balanced, whenever icefrog (the main creator/banancer for dota 1) makes an stats/ability update for one, valve has it out for two in a week. Infact icefrog was hired by valve to work on it.
damn it valve releasing the game without all heroes, where is techies and phoenix :( .
[QUOTE=codemaster85;41391525]The game is balanced, whenever icefrog (the main creator/banancer for dota 1) makes an stats/ability update for one, valve has it out for two in a week. Infact icefrog was hired by valve to work on it.[/QUOTE] Icefrog was working on it before and then Valve picked him up because they wanted a slice of that cake.
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;41387089]You only get penalized for abandoning if you consistently abandon. Abandoning twice won't get you a 48 hour low priority punishment. Also just because it's a bot game doesn't mean that the players that play it are less important. If I recall, there was a time where you didn't get punished for abandoning bot games. Usually people just abandoned like half way through so it really wasn't fun. Abandoning games affect everyone that plays, not just you.[/QUOTE] I remember the bot matches being Safe to Leave the moment the game started.. which was my 3,000 matches ago. So I agree it's complete bullshit you get penalty for leaving bot games, and I'm p. sure you didn't use to get penalty. Also when you are a newbie and you go into practice bot games with 4 other people, the point is to TRY NOT TO DIE and TRY TO DO LITERALLY [i]WHATEVER[/i] to learn at least [i]SOMETHING[/i] about the game before jumping into normal queue. (And there will be even more newbies in the normal que.) This "problem" however is lessened with the tutorial thingy. But before this the only way to practice was by going into bot games or normal games, and reading up on Playdota.com and dota2wiki.com. I'm glad I learned playing Dota2 this older "HC" style, but also while there was much less Heroes in the game, so it was easier in a way too.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41391597]damn it valve releasing the game without all heroes, where is techies and phoenix :( .[/QUOTE] Techies don't belong in DotA 2... it's just an awful concept, and I really hope it's changed/not ever added.
[QUOTE=Coffee;41385683]You mean my dota invites are now worthless?[/QUOTE] When was they not worthless. It was/is an Plague.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41386732]DOTA is a fun game once you learn it, but the community takes the game way too seriously. The sheer energy and time that DOTA demands is unfathomable to me. DOTA is a full-time hobby, through and through. And as fun as it is, because it takes so much time and dedication, some of the fun gets sucked away pretty fast because there's often a high skill expectation. Unlike TF2, where you can pretty much enter a server and have a fun round regardless of your skill level, your ability can make or break your experience in-game. It's a game that demands dedication and practice in order to win. And even then, no amount of tutorials or practice is going to prevent you from playing with people who get pissed off because you don't have as much experience clocked in as them. Every step and choice you make - from second to second - dictates whether your team is going to win in DOTA. From last hits to denies to harassing to lane placement. There's an insane amount of pressure and mental processing going on when you play, and giving your 110% is not even a guarantee that you're even going to have a good round. Don't get me wrong - I'm not dissing on DOTA people or gamers who love DOTA. I have 700+ hours in from spending a full year playing it religiously, and I know how insanely fun it can be. It's just, it's such a time and energy demanding game that it's understandably not for everyone. And, it can be incredibly addicting too. I had to stop playing DOTA because it was seriously triggering my anxiety disorder. Yet I had friends tell me that quitting 8 months ago was "wasting" a year of experience. DOTA isn't just a game, it's a hobby. A hobby that not everyone can necessarily get into.[/QUOTE] it sounds fucking terrible - aren't games supposed to be fun?
[QUOTE=monkey11;41389903]I've been waiting for this day, thinking this would mean the Mac release, but alas, I still have to use my super sketchy unstable wine wrapped version, where all particle effects just appear as black holes.[/QUOTE] Can't you bootcamp Windows and run it on that?
I had a lot of fun with DOTA 2, mainly because I was okay at it but didn't take it seriously at all, or even get mad about shit that happened in game. I don't play much anymore since my connection's too slow/spotty most days. [sp]And all my friends are filthy trenchers.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Chaz Smig;41392103]When was they not worthless. It was/is an Plague.[/QUOTE] Back when there were like at most 500 on Dota, the invites were fucking priceless. Later they became another sort of priceless. Man I remember the old menu and how goddamn ridiculous the matchmaking was. Wait 10 minutes to get into a match where people are so, SO much better than you. Couldn't really blame it back then, but it's still pretty ridiculous from time to time.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;41392727]it sounds fucking terrible - aren't games supposed to be fun?[/QUOTE] Dota 2 operates on the idea that fun that is easily obtainable is not anywhere near as satisfying as fun coming from mastering a complex set of rules. The first few steps will be very much unfun, but as soon as the mechanics are grasped, the game opens up to massively wide variety and an extremely deep and rewarding set of mechanics. A game you can grasp and master easily isn't satisfying. The game demands your attention, but heavily rewards you in return.
Having fun is possible in Dota... Pick Lion; Get a shadowblade; Run up to someone whilst invisible, ZAP with your finger of death, then run away giggling like a schoolgirl.
It's probably a decent enough game, I just don't hate myself enough to be horridly frustrated until it actually becomes fun. That's the problem I have with MOBAs - the amount of fun you have is quickly outdone by the infinitely more frequent times you'll be horridly frustrated.
[QUOTE=maurits150;41385769]I still don't have dota 2. Denied every invite that I got.[/QUOTE] Feels good, doesn't it?
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