Russia Gets Voted Off U.N. Human Rights Council - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51277596]I absolutely abhor war crimes and all the eager arm chair war crime apologists, so yes, I am absolutely happy that my country got Russia's seat.[/QUOTE] Should the UK apologising for and covering up Saudi war crimes be punished?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51277602]Should the UK apologising for and covering up Saudi war crimes be punished?[/QUOTE] Yes.

Oh i see. The us bombs schools or hospitals and shit in Syria and Afghanistan, makes dozens of drone strikes that systematically kill civilians, but since it's truly "by mistake and not intentional", it's not a war crime and no one cares about that stuff. Russia does pretty much the same thing - it's definitely a war crime. It's like saying that your buddy who has killed an man by mistake(which i'm pretty sure is not even true in some cases) is innocent, but that asshole you sincerely hate should go to jail for the exact same thing. Like, I know i'm resorting to whataboutism here, but i think it's kind of justified. I'm not some crazy brainwashed idiot, and I'm far from being delusional about my country, i'm absolutely sure it's indeed committed war crimes and is involved in some shady stuff, but it's still beyond me how hypocritical this world is.

[QUOTE=antianan;51277629]Oh i see. The us bombs schools or hospitals and shit in Syria and Afghanistan, makes dozens of drone strikes that systematically kill civilians, but since it's truly "by mistake and not intentional", it's not a war crime and no one cares about that stuff. Russia does pretty much the same thing - it's definitely a war crime. It's like saying that your buddy who has killed an man by mistake(which i'm pretty sure is not even true in some cases) is innocent, but that asshole you sincerely hate should do to jail for the exact same thing. Like, I know i'm resorting to whataboutism here, but i think it's kind of justified. I'm not some crazy brainwashed idiot, and I'm far from being delusional about my country, i'm absolutely sure it's indeed committed war crimes and is involved in some shady stuff, but it's still beyond me how hypocritical this world is.[/QUOTE] Except that the west [I]actively tries to avoid[/I] targeting civilians and Russia is bombing a major built up area without a single fuck given for civilians

I also like the fact that people have enough of a hateboner for Turkey (absolutely justified to hate Erdogan, just to clarify) that they are willing to support a juntist coup. A coup which was supported by absolutely no one in the opposition, that targeted both civilians and the actual parliament. But the moment you criticize the Russian government, the go-to response is "The US does the same" or "But why do you hate Putin so much?????"

Didn't Russia gas an entire theater with no regards for the civilians inside because terrorists had taken people hostage?

[QUOTE=Mallow234;51277639]Except that the west [I]actively tries to avoid[/I] targeting civilians and Russia is bombing a major built up area without a single fuck given for civilians[/QUOTE] Again, I'm not trying to justify my country's actions here. But thinking that you're actually "trying to avoid" targeting civilians is kind of delusional at best. Sure you won't bomb innocent people just for fun, just like our buildup there won't do that simply because it's meaningless and both american and russian commanders are not some crazy maniacs, but i'm 100% sure in a situation where a mayor target can be eliminated by the cost of some civilian casualties there will be no hesitation(again, i'm talking about both sides here). Both the russian and american troops are there because of political reasons, not to help people get democracy or stability or whatnot. It's just one side has way more political power, which automatically makes the other one guilty.

[QUOTE=antianan;51277661]But thinking that you're actually "trying to avoid" targeting civilians is kind of delusional at best. [/QUOTE] A quick and easy way to minimize collateral damage is to not bomb civilian-heavy locations in the first place, and also not to use incendiaries or bunker busters. Also: [quote]The US ambassador, Samantha Power, highlighted the targeting of three out of four centres in eastern Aleppo used by the volunteer emergency services – the White Helmets – with the consequence that lifesaving equipment had been destroyed and “those buried in rubble in Aleppo are much more likely to die in the rubble”.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/25/russia-accused-war-crimes-syria-un-security-council-aleppo[/url]

Yeah because it makes so much sense for our troops to target humanitarian missions, right? I can almost imagine how some blood craving dude on our base thinks like: "hey we can bomb those relief centers. Sure there won't be much profit for us from this action and the shitstorm raised by it can fuck us up even more on international arena, but i just hate hate hate them so let's go for it!". And so they did. Anyway, again, my point was not that russia does not commit war crimes, it does, it's just that others do it too (probably in a lesser scale, but that's a matter to discuss honestly), still no one cares because of obvious reasons. That's what i meant when i was ranting about our world being hypocritical. Not gonna post here more anyway, actually i usually "actively try to avoid" political discussions so i shouldn't have posted here in the first place i guess. Sorry guys, you're good, we're bad. Everything on it's right place.

[QUOTE=antianan;51277715]Not gonna post here more anyway, actually i usually "actively try to avoid" political discussions so i shouldn't have posted here in the first place i guess. Sorry guys, you're good, we're bad. Everything on it's right place.[/QUOTE] I'm going to respect your wishes and not respond to your argument any further, but I don't think you should take these matters personally. Criticizing the Russian government doesn't equal attacking all Russians or Russian culture.

So it's bad for Russia to crossfire bomb people but Drone strikes cross firing civilians are A-OK? [editline]29th October 2016[/editline] Endangering volunteer vaccination efforts in the eastern region in an effort to carry out an assassination is A-OK? [editline]29th October 2016[/editline] Executing or imprisoning people over their sexual orientation is A-okay? [editline]29th October 2016[/editline] Allowing corporations to emit pollution levels unsafe for your own citizens is A-OK? [editline]29th October 2016[/editline] Russia's not perfect, but a human rights council is no place to try and start some good ol NATO duck waving, especially after that shit about "satan 2".

Well I guess then UN Human Rights Council should have done nothing and allow Russia to stay.

[QUOTE=phaedon;51277473]Imagine being salty about Russia being kicked out of a humans rights council. Meanwhile Austria and Slovakia are Central European because reasons. Which half?[/QUOTE] Wait a fucking second, what do you think Austria and Slovakia is, other than Central Europe?

Would've been better than to use a human rights council as a propaganda platform.

Russia really shouldn't feel bad for being kicked out when Saudia Arabia is still in there. But I wonder if that's going to cause any major political disadvantages for Russia.