• Trump finally reveals his brilliant plan to defeat ISIS (he doesn't have one; ask the generals)
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[QUOTE=mcharest;51016293]Unfortunately the lesser evil paves the way to the greater evil. How do you think we got to this point in the first place? Lesser evil voting leads to rapidly increasing desperation on each side in turn and that's how you wind up with a Trump v. Clinton race. Guys I hate to sound like a defeatist here but the fact is we're [I]already[/I] fucked. Don't get me wrong, Clinton is definitely preferable to Trump, but in the long term it doesn't matter much. Regardless of who wins the presidency, the overall trajectory is the same. All anyone can ask of you is that you take your vote seriously. I hope you think very hard before casting a vote for someone like Trump, rather than just voting for him for the hell of it.[/QUOTE] It's not like election approval ratings are a linear downhill slope. Neither Romney, Obama, nor McCain had historically bad approval ratings. I see no reason to assume that this particular election is anything else but a fluke where the #1 and #2 highest disapproval rating candidates found themselves both winning their respective primaries. That's another angle of this "the lesser evil" angle. Voters in both parties, but particularly Republicans, didn't see their nominee as the lesser evil; they saw them as the best representation for their party and American interests.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51016045]Nope, because I'm not a big Clinton fan either. The sad truth is that the course of US politics has become so fucked that most voters are forced to vote [I]against[/I] a candidate, rather than [I]for[/I] one. Basically: Trump is the biggest fucking joke in the history of US politics, and voting for literally [I]anybody[/I] is preferable to voting for him. Clinton may be the "same old thing," but I'd rather have a stagnant presidency than an actively destructive one.[/QUOTE] Who should I vote for then?
Clinton will push for war with the Russians. We are doomed if she wins. [url]https://youtu.be/k4aIIpCDsLU[/url]
lots of original, insightful, and brave opinions in this thread. kind of eye opening tbh... how did trump even get this far?
[QUOTE=Smoot;51016418]Who should I vote for then?[/QUOTE] depends how safe your home state is, if you live in New York or California you can always vote for Vermin Supreme
[QUOTE=formatme;51016437]Clinton will push for war with the Russians. We are doomed if she wins. [url]https://youtu.be/k4aIIpCDsLU[/url][/QUOTE] Get real.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;51016375]Now see my question is this: who's presidency would increase the demand for private security contractors, clinton and the usual shadow wars around the world or the post-apocalypse of trump's america[/QUOTE] I think Clinton, that's just their style. Talk about being for the people while taking donations from mega corporations and doing favors. Trump would leave nothing to salvage.
[QUOTE=formatme;51016437]Clinton will push for war with the Russians. We are doomed if she wins. [url]https://youtu.be/k4aIIpCDsLU[/url][/QUOTE] Info Wars contributors have been telling us we were doomed for years, I ain't buyin what he is selling.
[QUOTE=formatme;51016437]Clinton will push for war with the Russians. We are doomed if she wins. [url]https://youtu.be/k4aIIpCDsLU[/url][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/IxNljdV.png[/img] Great channel there
On one hand I think this is probably the most brilliant policy you can have, but there's something in me that really does not trust the generals. I mean, I wouldn't trust Trump with total military command since he has no real experience in that area, but I also feel the generals do not have our country's best interests at heart. It's all just feels instead of reals though so I'm willing to humor this "idea". [QUOTE=gman003-main;51016081]Simple. Who would you rather vote for: Richard Nixon, or Adolf Hitler? The law-ignoring, corrupt career politician, or the idiot whose only success was at an unspeakable genocide, started a series of massive wars that scattered bodies over three continents, and left his country a crater-ridden bombed-out husk that took a half-century to recover? A choice like this is *simple*. Trump is a bad enough candidate that you should vote for whoever seems most likely to defeat him. Right now, that's Clinton, but I'd give the same advice if the front-runner were Johnson or Stein. None of the other candidates comes even close to being as bad as Trump. (Do note that this is not a normal circumstance. A candidate as bad as Trump being nominated by a major party is a rare event, signalling a major breakdown in that party's functionality and stability. In most elections, no serious candidate is bad enough to justify tactical voting on this scale, as tactical voting is harmful to the democratic process. I did not give such advice for the Obama/Romney election, and would not have in a Kasich/Clinton or Bush/Clinton or even Cruz/Clinton election. Trump is, literally, a greater class of bad.)[/QUOTE] Can you elaborate further than just "Adolf Hitler is Trump and Trump is bad bad bad bad bad"?
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51016483]I think Clinton, that's just their style. Talk about being for the people while taking donations from mega corporations and doing favors. Trump would leave nothing to salvage.[/QUOTE] guess i should root for a clinton presidency then... were fucked either way lol
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51016556][img]http://i.imgur.com/IxNljdV.png[/img] Great channel there[/QUOTE] I don't get this either; it looks like any other political channel. What are you trying to say here?
I want off this wild ride, because I can't believe that this man is actually leading in the polls right now.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51016628]I don't get this either; it looks like any other political channel. What are you trying to say here?[/QUOTE] '21 year old girl lives as baby' 'Political correctness kills' 'Hillary's health cover up IMPLODES' uh huh [editline]7th September 2016[/editline] youve set a low bar if that's your idea of normal political discourse
[QUOTE=Chonch;51016596]On one hand I think this is probably the most brilliant policy you can have, but there's something in me that really does not trust the generals. I mean, I wouldn't trust Trump with total military command since he has no real experience in that area, but I also feel the generals do not have our country's best interests at heart. It's all just feels instead of reals though so I'm willing to humor this "idea". Can you elaborate further than just "Adolf Hitler is Trump and Trump is bad bad bad bad bad"?[/QUOTE] How about: Compulsive liar Manchild Egotistical asshole Wants to use nukes Wants to fuck over immigrants Wants to fuck over potential immigrants (like my family) Buddy buddy to Putin Wants to make allies who can't pay, pay for their defense Isolationist Terrible tax plan Doesn't support LGBT That fucking wall Wants to default on national debt No political experience No experience running a country Addition: punish women for abortions Should I go on
It's so hard to keep track of Trump's craziness. Remember when he said he wanted to punish women for having abortions? If anyone else said that it'd define their campaign, yet nobody brings it up anymore.
[QUOTE=CatFodder;51016692]It's so hard to keep track of Trump's craziness. Remember when he said he wanted to punish women for having abortions? If anyone else said that it'd define their campaign, yet nobody brings it up anymore.[/QUOTE] I'll add that to my list, thanks
This actually sounds like the best possible strategy any president could have. What would Donald Trump know about defeating a foreign terrorist state?
[QUOTE=Chonch;51016628]I don't get this either; it looks like any other political channel. What are you trying to say here?[/QUOTE] are you kidding me? how delusional are trump supporters? [QUOTE=King Tiger;51016714]This actually sounds like the best possible strategy any president could have. What would Donald Trump know about defeating a foreign terrorist state?[/QUOTE] the point is that he CLAIMED to have an exact plan to defeat ISIS just to bait dumbasses into voting for him.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51016714]This actually sounds like the best possible strategy any president could have. What would Donald Trump know about defeating a foreign terrorist state?[/QUOTE] This is the plan of literally every non military leader leading a military nation. Consult with the generals. The fact that this is even a plan is a laughable fucking notion. This is just what they do. Trump, as Trump is want to do and his fans are one to want this, turns it into a giant fucking joke/spectacle/show when this is anything but that. This is just fairly standard, non interesting stuff. Trump puts his name on it and makes spectacle out of nothing.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] People say Trump is Hitler but he's really just Sarkozy
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51016714]This actually sounds like the best possible strategy any president could have. What would Donald Trump know about defeating a foreign terrorist state?[/QUOTE] I'm going to be the middleman here for both sides and say; If he hadn't up to now saying how he has the best plan and he knows what to do to combat ISIS then sure, it's the best strategy since you should leave matters of warfare to the people who know war best; the people who are trained to fight for a living rather than some schmuck from Manhattan or Arkansas. If he hadn't been boasting about that and said from the start "On any form of military action I of course should be consulting with the Pentagon on the best course of action to take before making any significant quote right now as I am not the Commander-in-Chief and not currently briefed on the full situation with ISIS." then I'd have to be defending him but he brought this backlash on himself.
[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;51016666]'21 year old girl lives as baby' 'Political correctness kills' 'Hillary's health cover up IMPLODES' uh huh [editline]7th September 2016[/editline] youve set a low bar if that's your idea of normal political discourse[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chonch;51016628]What are you trying to say here?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised to see these headlines on Facepunch. Is YouTube supposed to set the standard for "normal" political discourse? [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]How about: Compulsive liar Manchild Egotistical asshole Wants to use nukes Wants to fuck over immigrants Wants to fuck over potential immigrants (like my family) Buddy buddy to Putin Wants to make allies who can't pay, pay for their defense Isolationist Terrible tax plan Doesn't support LGBT That fucking wall Wants to default on national debt No political experience No experience running a country Addition: punish women for abortions Should I go on[/QUOTE] Not all of those things are entirely factual, or even relevant, but that should suffice. Thank you.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]How about: Compulsive liar Manchild Egotistical asshole Wants to use nukes Wants to fuck over immigrants Wants to fuck over potential immigrants (like my family) Buddy buddy to Putin Wants to make allies who can't pay, pay for their defense Isolationist Terrible tax plan Doesn't support LGBT That fucking wall Wants to default on national debt No political experience No experience running a country Addition: punish women for abortions Should I go on[/QUOTE] Half of those are opinions, a few more are wrong, and the other are inconsequential.
I have to wonder when he says something like this, "just ask somebody else", who is he going to actually ask? Deferring to professionals and advisers who are familiar with the matter is just good sense, but I think candidates usually have already consulted professionals at this stage and have an idea what kind of platform they're running. If he's just going to let whoever kisses ass the hardest tell him how things should happen, he's going to be a total pushover.
[QUOTE=Pops;51016889]Half of those are opinions, a few more are wrong, and the other are inconsequential.[/QUOTE] If some of those are "wrong and are just opinions" prove it instead of making asinine, vague statements. Also how is fucking over immigrants and defaulting on national debt that numbers in the TRILLIONS ""inconsequential"" Jesus Christ you people are impossible
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]How about: Compulsive liar Manchild Egotistical asshole Wants to use nukes Wants to fuck over immigrants Wants to fuck over potential immigrants (like my family) Buddy buddy to Putin Wants to make allies who can't pay, pay for their defense Isolationist Terrible tax plan Doesn't support LGBT That fucking wall Wants to default on national debt No political experience No experience running a country Addition: punish women for abortions Should I go on[/QUOTE] Bonus Round: Wants to gut various social welfare and protection institutions in favour of the private sector Wants to cut military spending, but expects the military to still do this whole "cut the head off ISIS" thing Thinks he can actually "cut the head of ISIS" and it'll all be fine and dandy Currently under instigation for fraud thanks to his "university" Has a history of racist tenancy policy in his real estate business (the only business of his that isn't failed or just average) Bright orange Things he should be treated like the second coming Fucking abysmal healthcare "plan" Doesn't actually trust the generals he asking to make this ISIS plan to be smart enough Can't actually debate for shit Petulant manchild Really, really orange though, like impossibly so Refuses to release tax returns like every presidential candidate for the last few elections
[QUOTE=Pops;51016889]Half of those are opinions, a few more are wrong, and the other are inconsequential.[/QUOTE] The fact that "Default on national debt" isn't something you, Chonch, or RIPBILLYMAYS are even remotely upset about is fucking mindblowing.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Compulsive liar[/QUOTE] Not as bad as hillary. Her entire family and foundation is built on lies, and I don't really see donald trump lying that much either tbh [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Manchild[/QUOTE] So you've basically just resorted to adjectives and fillers in order to make your "list of sins" longer [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Egotistical asshole[/QUOTE] Ditto [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Wants to use nukes[/QUOTE] Uh, okay? He's already said that they're a last resort. If we get in the same situation we were in in WW2 I'd say it's better than sending millions of troops to their deaths [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Wants to fuck over immigrants[/QUOTE] I don't see what's wrong with having a stricter policy to keep out illegal immigrants, do you? [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Wants to fuck over potential immigrants (like my family)[/QUOTE] Dude, you're canadian. You can literally waltz into america right now if you wanted to. He has said ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS, not canadians lmao [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Buddy buddy to Putin[/QUOTE] Certainly better than being on the verge of nuclear war with them [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Wants to make allies who can't pay, pay for their defense[/QUOTE] I doubt he's going to force our allies to pay for defenses [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Isolationist [/QUOTE] Good. This is part of why america has been (or at least used to be) so successful. We shouldn't even have troops in the middle-east imo. Just because he's an isolationist doesn't mean we won't help and assist allies if they genuinely need our help [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Terrible tax plan[/QUOTE] So less taxes for everyone is a bad thing now? If you're complaining about how the rich get a bigger tax cut, that's a good thing. The people who are rich worked for their money and don't deserve more taxes just because they're more successful than others who didn't work as hard [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Doesn't support LGBT [/QUOTE] While I do disagree with trump's issues on this, I don't think that you should be able to say that you identify as female if you're biologically man and use a woman's restroom [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]That fucking wall[/QUOTE] Doubt one is going to be built, but the cost of the wall compared to our national debt makes it look like nothing [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Wants to default on national debt[/QUOTE] At least he's actually trying to do something about our debt. Obama started at 10 trillion and now we're almost at 20 trillion [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]No political experience[/QUOTE] Yeah, because hillary has had a much better political career. Trump's a multibillionaire who made a fortune off of New York realestate. Not everyone can do that. [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]No experience running a country[/QUOTE] [B][U]NO U.S. PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE HAS HAD ANY PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE BRO[/U][/B] [QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]Addition: punish women for abortions[/QUOTE] When did he say he was going to punish women for having an abortion? While he did say he hated abortions, he has stated that he's pro-choice (so am I because of the obvious reasons behind it) Go ahead, continue Also capitalism > socialism [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Bradyns))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51016678]How about: Wants to use nukes [/QUOTE] that is an exaggeration, he's bad in other ways; [URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/19/priorities-usa-action/super-pac-ad-says-trump-likes-war-even-nuclear-lac/"]Politifact rated this Half True, only thing he said was "I love war"[/URL]
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