Trump finally reveals his brilliant plan to defeat ISIS (he doesn't have one; ask the generals)
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51016911]The fact that "Default on national debt" isn't something you, Chonch, or RIPBILLYMAYS are even remotely upset about with is fucking mindblowing.[/QUOTE]
Default? Not quite, in fact he seems to be advocating for just the opposite.
[QUOTE][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/"]First of all, you never have to default because you print the money, I hate to tell you, OK?[/URL][/QUOTE]
Now printing money is a totally different can of worms that I don't want to address here, but he has the right idea; we can't just default. The debt's a really interesting situation. From what I can tell, I think he would like to put into order a sort of "restructuring" plan where--in an improving economy like where we are now--we refinance some of our debt to more long term issues before the interest rates start to rise, cutting down the nominal debt over time and making it a little easier to pay off.
(Using extra spaces for emphasis, I would like to point out this would in theory save taxpayers billions of dollars in interest payments)
If Yellen can get off her hag ass and bump up the rates, this strategy might not go so well, especially if we have to issue new debt, but it certainly wouldn't be a world-ending scenario. Things would likely continue much the same, save for a little inflation. I think that could be good for the U.S., and certainly I hope Paul Volcker lives to see it start; I'd love to hear what he thinks.
I'll freely admit I am slightly interested in seeing what would happen in a post-default world where the Treasury is no longer the prime risk-free issuer of the world (technically, it never has been). If it wrecks the bond market, it might actually make equity investment more attractive. I don't think anyone is really going to make that happen this season though, so it's just a neat thing to think about for now. [sp]DISCLAIMER: I do not, and have not ever held any Treasury securities, and so I would not be directly affected by any damage a default might do to the bond market. I am not a registered representative, this is not investment advice.[/sp]
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51016911]The fact that "Default on national debt" isn't something you, Chonch, or RIPBILLYMAYS are even remotely upset about is fucking mindblowing.[/QUOTE]
tl;dr I'm not remotely upset, but I am more-than-remotely interested for various reasons
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51017028]Not as bad as hillary. Her entire family and foundation is built on lies, and I don't really see donald trump lying that much either tbh
So you've basically just resorted to adjectives and fillers in order to make your "list of sins" longer
Ditto
Uh, okay? He's already said that they're a last resort. If we get in the same situation we were in in WW2 I'd say it's better than sending millions of troops to their deaths
I don't see what's wrong with having a stricter policy to keep out illegal immigrants, do you?
Dude, you're canadian. You can literally waltz into america right now if you wanted to. He has said ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS, not canadians lmao
Certainly better than being on the verge of nuclear war with them
I doubt he's going to force our allies to pay for defenses
Good. This is part of why america has been (or at least used to be) so successful. We shouldn't even have troops in the middle-east imo. Just because he's an isolationist doesn't mean we won't help and assist allies if they genuinely need our help
So less taxes for everyone is a bad thing now? If you're complaining about how the rich get a bigger tax cut, that's a good thing. The people who are rich worked for their money and don't deserve more taxes just because they're more successful than others who didn't work as hard
While I do disagree with trump's issues on this, I don't think that you should be able to say that you identify as female if you're biologically man and use a woman's restroom
Doubt one is going to be built, but the cost of the wall compared to our national debt makes it look like nothing
At least he's actually trying to do something about our debt. Obama started at 10 trillion and now we're almost at 20 trillion
Yeah, because hillary has had a much better political career. Trump's a multibillionaire who made a fortune off of New York realestate. Not everyone can do that.
[B][U]NO U.S. PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE HAS HAD ANY PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE BRO[/U][/B]
When did he say he was going to punish women for having an abortion? While he did say he hated abortions, he has stated that he's pro-choice (so am I because of the obvious reasons behind it)
Go ahead, continue
Also capitalism > socialism[/QUOTE]
There is so much fluff and kool aid in this post
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
So you want a combination of hyper inflation from the government and a default? The worst of both worlds it really would take Trump to think that's a good plan
I offer POTUS Trump my services ... to resolve those problems swiftly
it will come at cost ...
it will make happy all military branches and secret organizations
budget will survive it (if not we can just inflate it again)
some allies too (better than US right)
OSN, World and Russia might end shocked but they will finally learn theirs place
as bonus I can promise we will conquer other stellar objects ...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51017046]There is so much fluff and kool aid in this post
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
So you want a combination of hyper inflation from the government and a default? The worst of both worlds it really would take Trump to think that's a good plan[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the facts and arguments you've provided me with. I've been blown out of the water by this post!
Are you capable of providing some counter-arguments to my post or are you just going to call it kool-aid?
I see people saying "man I can't believe this madman is leading in the polls!!!!!" "conservatives are crazy if they vote for trump...." and "wew remember that one time when trump said [B](INSERT OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE)[/B]" without any proof or evidence behind why hillary is better
Shame Gary Jonhson is a third party and he won't win since the political system is shit; he would be the better choice. And if Bernie had won, the election winner would be clear as day.
[QUOTE=formatme;51016437]Clinton will push for war with the Russians.
We are doomed if she wins.
[url]https://youtu.be/k4aIIpCDsLU[/url][/QUOTE]
Firstly; no, she won't
Secondly, if we were to go to war with Russia (assuming it's an islolated conflict), we have an exorbitantly stronger military. Russia has been bleeding out for years (due to oil prices) and is like 95% farmland.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51017120]Firstly; no, she won't
Secondly, if we were to go to war with Russia (assuming it's an islolated conflict), we have an exorbitantly stronger military. Russia has been bleeding out for years (due to oil prices) and is like 95% farmland.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to Hitler and Napoleon :v:
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51016905]Bonus Round:
Wants to gut various social welfare and protection institutions in favour of the private sector
Wants to cut military spending, but expects the military to still do this whole "cut the head off ISIS" thing
Thinks he can actually "cut the head of ISIS" and it'll all be fine and dandy
Currently under instigation for fraud thanks to his "university"
Has a history of racist tenancy policy in his real estate business (the only business of his that isn't failed or just average)
Bright orange
Things he should be treated like the second coming
Fucking abysmal healthcare "plan"
Doesn't actually trust the generals he asking to make this ISIS plan to be smart enough
Can't actually debate for shit
Petulant manchild
Really, really orange though, like impossibly so
Refuses to release tax returns like every presidential candidate for the last few elections[/QUOTE]
More here:
[QUOTE=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1532158&p=50948362&viewfull=1#post50948362]
[URL="http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost"]Here's something I think you should look at[/URL]
Racism
Donald Trump violates civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/?_r=0[/URL]
[URL]http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/15/doj-trump-s-early-businesses-blocked-blacks.html[/URL]
Trump responds to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.
[URL]http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discrimination_suit/[/URL]
Trump continues to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/1978/03/07/archives/trump-charged-with-rental-bias.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/16/realestate/for-starrett-city-an-integration-test.html?scp=4&sq=trump+discrimination&st=nyt&pagewanted=all[/URL]
Trump orders blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.
[URL]http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city[/URL]
1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
[URL]http://articles.philly.com/1991-05-10/news/25795529_1_trump-associates-trump-s-atlantic-city-donald-trump[/URL]
Trump builds casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/money/trump-hit-race-suit-blacks-don-dealt-casino-jobs-article-1.726389[/URL]
Trump keeps books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.
[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8[/URL]
[URL]http://forward.com/the-assimilator/318664/trump-and-hitler/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-hitler-speeches-book[/URL]
Trump refuses to cast black models.
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3546047/Beauty-pageant-organizer-accused-Trump-unwanted-fondling-contestant-claimed-said-women-bimbos.html[/URL]
Trump holds event in Atlanta with GOP officials. Kicks the only black Republican official out of the event with no explanation.
[URL]http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/black-georgia-gop-official-booted-from-atlanta-trump-event-with-no-explanation/[/URL]
Trump has dozens of black college students ejected from his rally for no apparent reason.
[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/black-students-trump-rally-georgia_us_56d501c2e4b0871f60ec98ba[/URL]
Trump picks famed White Supremacist Leader as Delegate.
[URL]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/donald-trump-white-nationalist-afp-delegate-california[/URL]
[URL]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45928_Donald_Trump_Picks_Well-Known_White_Nationalist_Leader_as_a_Delegate_in_California[/URL]
[URL]http://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-picks-white-nationalist-leader-as-delegate/[/URL]
Trumps son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Cesspool#Donald_Trump_Jr._interview[/URL]
[URL]http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-son-pro-slavery-host-interview-220120?lo=ap_c1[/URL]
[URL]http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271501-trump-grants-press-credentials-to-pro-white-radio-show[/URL]
Trump gives Press credentials to aforementioned radio host.
[URL]http://www.nationalmemo.com/donald-trump-gives-interview-pres-credentials-to-white-supremacist/[/URL]
Trump tweets anti-Semitic Hillary Clinton picture created by Neo-Nazis.
[URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/donald-trump-tweet-graphic-star-hillary-clinton/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/03/trumps-star-david-anti-semitic-attack-clinton-neo-nazis.html[/URL]
[URL]https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists#.Z7LCceAS9[/URL]
[URL]http://time.com/4392186/donald-trump-star-of-david-backlash/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-hammered-for-appealing-to-anti-semites-with-dog-whistle-hillary-star-of-david-post/[/URL]
Six former contestants of The Apprentice blast Trump as a racist and sexist.
[URL]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/former-apprentice-contestants-denounce-donald-trump-s-candidacy-n556306[/URL]
After being called out for racism, Trump retweets an image of a black family claiming that the family supports him. (The image is taken from from the first result on google images when you search “black family”)
[URL]http://www.snopes.com/trump-retweets-photo-of-black-supporters/[/URL]
Trump considers plan to replace all Muslim TSA agents.
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-considers-supporter-plan-fire-muslim-tsa-agents-article-1.2695675[/URL]
[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-request-rally-goer-replace-hijab-wearing/story?id=40269164[/URL]
Those aren't all the instances of him being racist but I don't want to stretch the page too much.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Samiam22;50948820][URL="http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost"]Trump does not have a good track record of acting moral, either[/URL]. The only reason Trump hasn't done any politically amoral actions like Clinton has is because he hasn't had the power to.
Trump refuses to pay back wages to his wife's personal assistant unless he signed a non-disclosure agreement.
[URL]https://casetext.com/case/jones-v-maplestrump[/URL]
Trump accused of illegally withholding checks from employees.
[URL="https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160307/soho/trump-soho-hotel-stiffed-caterers-out-of-tips-lawsuit-charges"]https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...awsuit-charges[/URL]
Trump hires illegal workers and pays them below minimum wage.
[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/14/nyregion/after-15-years-in-court-workers-lawsuit-against-trump-faces-yet-another-delay.html?pagewanted=all"]http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/14/ny...pagewanted=all[/URL]
Trump accused of engaging in incidents of physical assault, verbal abuse, intimidation, and threats of physical harm towards workers to suppress unions.
[URL="http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/10/19/trump-hotel-las-vegas-takes-unions-to-court.htm"]http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/1...s-to-court.htm[/URL]
[URL="http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-long-trail-of-litigation-1457891191"]http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-l...ion-1457891191[/URL]
British Human Rights Journalist says conditions for workers at Trumps Dubai Golf course are “The worst I have ever seen”
[URL="http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/watch-vice-reveals-horrific-living-conditions-for-migrants-building-trump-dubai-golf-course/"]http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/watc...i-golf-course/[/URL][/QUOTE]
It seems most of the businesses he owns are either failed ventures or just an instance of him naming everything after himself, as most of them make less than $200 in revenue:
[QUOTE=gawkermedia;50874407]Ok I picked "Trump Books LLC" out of the list at random and the only references I could find were some business registration details. It doesn't have a website.
It looks like the source of your amazing info-graphic is here:
[URL]http://qz.com/461688/a-list-of-everything-donald-trump-runs-that-has-his-name-on-it/[/URL]
[U][B]"A list of everything Donald Trump runs that has his name on it"[/B][/U]
[B]Great effort[/B] on the research though, I'm sure it was extremely difficult to save the image onto your desktop and post it in arguments without having to actually do anything on your part! You're a true testament to human beings everywhere; reading shit on the internet and believing it like its gospel and then spouting it from the rooftops without actually checking anything.
Here's a great resource for further learning! [URL]http://blog.journalistics.com/2010/five-ws-one-h/[/URL]
[B]Who:[/B] The info-graphic covers Donald J. Trump however the author of said piece is unknown.
[B]What:[/B] The number of businesses he has his name plastered on regardless of failure/success. This seems to run contrary to the title of the info-graphic, in this instance being "List of Donald J. Trump's successful businesses"
[B]When:[/B] No date has been attached to this source, but at first glance it appears to be a retrospective glance of businesses his name has been attached to. It appears there are many shell companies in the list. Usually dates without sources are considered poor or at the very least unreliable. In this instance we can tell that it probably dates from around the time of the run-up to the 2016 election due to the patriotic styling of Donald J. Trump's name.
[B]Why:[/B] It looks like he has his name attributed to so many businesses because he is trying to avoid paying taxes in part or whole and/or has a lot of legal issues regarding the ownership of ventures that he is involved in. Further research may be necessary on this point.
[B]Where:[/B] This info-graphic does not seem to share any information regarding the location of registered businesses which could particularly relevant when trying to determine jurisdictional information.
I always like to go by the 5 Ws and then throw in the H for extra due dillegence:
[B]How:[/B] Copy + Paste from QZ.com so idiots can save it to their desktop for extra easiness without having to do anything by themselves.
By looking even further I found this amazing document!
[URL]http://2016election.procon.org/sourcefiles/trump-financial-disclosure-form.pdf[/URL]
Trump 106 CPS LLC - Income of Less than $201
Trump 845 LP LLC - Income of Less than $201
TRUMP 845 UN GP LLC - Income of Less than $201
TRUMP GOLF ACQUISITIONS LLC - Income of Less than $201
By cross-referencing this PDF (of unknown validity) with your info-graphic and noting the source was some shitty article on qz.com we can note that Trump actually owns/runs/is involved with a lot more businesses that don't feature his name.
I'm sure if I bothered to spend even more time I could prove that your info-graphic is bullshit. You dolt.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50830117]On Donald Trump:
-Trump openly calls for the U.S to commit war crimes and advocates for the murder of innocent women and children.
-Trump on torture: “Even if it doesn’t work they probably deserved it anyway.”
-Trump renews calls for torture citing public executions and mass rape committed by ISIS promising for the U.S to do the same, “fighting fire with fire.”
-Trump says Geneva Conventions a problem and needs to be changed since, US soldiers are to afraid to do their job due to laws which outline the definition of war crimes.
-Trump threatens to shoot down Russian planes starting war with Russia.
-Trump says he would declare a World War as President.
-Trump's solution for high gas prices is to violate The Geneva Convention by invading several of America's allies in the Middle East and Africa unprovoked to forcibly seize the oil fields for himself.
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/[/URL]
but no donald trump doesn't call for or support any violence at all even though his entire fucking platform is built on calling for violence
You're either trolling, or an idiot. And I'd like to think that you're not an idiot, so I'm going to assume that you're straight up lying to our faces to be funny because it gets you a giggle to be contrarian. Please stop.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zyler;50901673][URL]http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/stories/5187/23-ridiculously-offensive-donald-trump-quotes[/URL]
He also called Obama the "Founder of ISIS"
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1530324[/URL]
He claims he wants to restrict porn on the internet:
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1529341&p=50820842[/URL]
He claimed that a fire marshal who rescued him from a stuck elevator took too long and was "probably a democrat":
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1528991[/URL]
Claims the muslim man who served for the US Army and criticized him probably abuses his wife because he is a muslim:
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1528957[/URL]
Claims that a judge on the court case he is in for defrauding thousands of people is biased against him because he is mexican:
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1521274[/URL]
He is, at the very minimum, a delusional racist sociopathic narcisist who is also probably a criminal who stole lots of people's money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51017028]Not as bad as hillary. Her entire family and foundation is built on lies, and I don't really see donald trump lying that much either tbh
So you've basically just resorted to adjectives and fillers in order to make your "list of sins" longer
[B]I really don't need to explain this, he has lied on so many things already the list would be too long to post
[/B]
Ditto
Uh, okay? He's already said that they're a last resort. If we get in the same situation we were in in WW2 I'd say it's better than sending millions of troops to their deaths
[B]The fact that he would still be willing to use nukes, in any scenario, is terrifying. Do you even know what the effects of nuclear bombings are?
[url]http://www.livescience.com/1196-small-nuclear-war-global-environmental-catastrophe.html[/url] [/B]
I don't see what's wrong with having a stricter policy to keep out illegal immigrants, do you?
[B][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/donald-trump-abortion.html[/url][/B]
Dude, you're canadian. You can literally waltz into america right now if you wanted to. He has said ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS, not canadians lmao
[B]I moved to Canada so I could go to college here. I was born in Florida and I am a US citizen. Half my family lives in Ukraine. Trump's immigration plan fucks MOST immigrants from countries that don't have "effective screening processes"
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1532897&p=50982151#post50982151[/url] here's a post for your reference.[/B]
Certainly better than being on the verge of nuclear war with them
[B]Yes let's go be buddy buddy with a near dictator of a country that threatens the sovereignty of most of Eastern Europe, including Ukraine, just by FUCKING EXISTING.[/B]
I doubt he's going to force our allies to pay for defenses
[B][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html?_r=0[/url]
[url]http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-trump-nato-20160721-snap-story.html[/url]
[/B]
Good. This is part of why america has been (or at least used to be) so successful. We shouldn't even have troops in the middle-east imo. Just because he's an isolationist doesn't mean we won't help and assist allies if they genuinely need our help
[B]The only reason why America is a superpower is because of our involvement in global politics
Get your head out of your ass[/B]
So less taxes for everyone is a bad thing now? If you're complaining about how the rich get a bigger tax cut, that's a good thing. The people who are rich worked for their money and don't deserve more taxes just because they're more successful than others who didn't work as hard
[B]Having a tax income that less pre-WWII levels (the lowest america ever had), is impossible with the federal budget/spending. It would boost our defecit even higher than it is now.
[/B]
While I do disagree with trump's issues on this, I don't think that you should be able to say that you identify as female if you're biologically man and use a woman's restroom
[B]Why???? Why is it the fucking governments business to tell who gets to go in what bathroom? A transgender female should go into a FEMALE BATHROOM. This is the equivalent of telling me what sink I should use just like back in the days of segregation[
/B]
Doubt one is going to be built, but the cost of the wall compared to our national debt makes it look like nothing
[B]The fact he pushes this shows how racist and jingoistic his policy platform is[/B]
At least he's actually trying to do something about our debt. Obama started at 10 trillion and now we're almost at 20 trillion
[B]Yeah lets wreck the global economy by defaulting on trillions of dollars of debt!!!!!
[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/u-treasury-default-catastrophic-consequences-explained-170230218.html[/url]
[QUOTE]A default would upend money markets, destroy bond funds, slam the brakes on lending, cause interest rates to spiral, make our banks insolvent, and deal a blow to our foreign trading partners and creditors around the globe; all of which would throw the U.S. and the world into economic disarray.[/QUOTE][/B]
Yeah, because hillary has had a much better political career. Trump's a multibillionaire who made a fortune off of New York realestate. Not everyone can do that.
[B]At least she has experience from Secretary of State and as a senator, trump has none at all. Trump is a business man, astronomically different fields[/B]
[B][U]NO U.S. PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE HAS HAD ANY PRESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE BRO[/U][/B]
[B]MOST IF NOT ALL HAVE POLITICAL CREDENTIALS ON RUNNING FOR/BEING IN OFFICE OF SOME SORT[/B]
When did he say he was going to punish women for having an abortion? While he did say he hated abortions, he has stated that he's pro-choice (so am I because of the obvious reasons behind it)
[B][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/donald-trump-abortion.html[/url]
He flipped flopped on this but the fact that he would even SUGGEST this makes me shudder on what he would do if elected[/B]
Go ahead, continue
Also capitalism > socialism
[B]How is this relevant to anything I've said? Are you from /pol/ or something?[/B][/QUOTE]
I love how you jabbed in "capitalism > socialism" as if everyone who is arguing with you is inherently socialist.
[QUOTE=Ctrl;51017123]Tell that to Hitler and Napoleon :v:[/QUOTE]
Winter poses a threat to infantrymen. A hellfire missile wouldn't sneeze at bad weather. Not to mention that Russia is the weakest it's been in hundreds of years (economically and socially), and hasn't had any real advancements to it's military since the cold war.
[editline]8th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51017141]I love how you jabbed in "capitalism > socialism" as if everyone who is arguing with you is inherently socialist.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention the fact that "capitalism > socialism" is the reason we had the financial crisis in 2008
Everything in moderation: socialist policies provide us with
- Firemen
- Roads
- EMTs
- Police
- All the infrastructure around you (literally all of it)
- The government itself (all functions performed for public good)
- Trash collection
- Food safety
- Work safety
- Water
- Power
- A million other things you probably never even think about
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51017143]Winter poses a threat to infantrymen. A hellfire missile wouldn't sneeze at bad weather. Not to mention that Russia is the weakest it's been in hundreds of years (economically and socially), and hasn't had any real advancements to it's military since the cold war.
[/QUOTE]
Still, I think it still has anti-missile weaponry, and even if it hasn't advanced much, they still have a lot of manpower, and I can see Putin using the same strategy as Stalin.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51017088]Thanks for the facts and arguments you've provided me with. I've been blown out of the water by this post!
Are you capable of providing some counter-arguments to my post or are you just going to call it kool-aid?
I see people saying "man I can't believe this madman is leading in the polls!!!!!" "conservatives are crazy if they vote for trump...." and "wew remember that one time when trump said [B](INSERT OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE)[/B]" without any proof or evidence behind why hillary is better[/QUOTE]
Obama halved the national deficit we were left with after Bush.
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2014/sep/05/barack-obama/obama-says-he-has-cut-national-deficit-half/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/12/barack-obama/we-have-cut-our-deficits-three-fourths-obama-state/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/deficit-shrinks-1-trillion-obama-era[/URL]
In fact, more than half, about 3 quarters around this year.
Trump has probably backpedaled, lied and more openly deceptive than Hilary, tbh. In fact, once of the main things his proponents usually argue on this site is that he doesn't really believe what he is saying and is really just saying stupid shit to get people to vote for him (which is apparently okay when he does it).
You don't have to take my word for it, Trump has objectively lied more times than Clinton:
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/[/url]
You also didn't address HumanAbyss' statement, why do you want hyper inflation and defaulting on the national debt? Do you think that's a good thing?
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51017143]Not to mention the fact that "capitalism > socialism" is the reason we had the financial crisis in 2008[/QUOTE]
Socialism hadn't a thing to do with it. It was definitely more "feels > reals."
accidentally posted, just wait
[QUOTE=Ctrl;51017167]Still, I think it still has anti-missile weaponry, and even if it hasn't advanced much, they still have a lot of manpower, and I can see Putin using the same strategy as Stalin.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that going to war would be a good idea at all, only that it would be winnable.
The U.S. Has more anti-missile batteries than Russia has Missiles. Our planes are better in every way and can easily dispatch the entire Russian air force. We're virtually untouchable from an attempted Russian invasion and would only need time to win.
[QUOTE=Pootis Mann;51017088]Thanks for the facts and arguments you've provided me with. I've been blown out of the water by this post!
Are you capable of providing some counter-arguments to my post or are you just going to call it kool-aid?
I see people saying "man I can't believe this madman is leading in the polls!!!!!" "conservatives are crazy if they vote for trump...." and "wew remember that one time when trump said [B](INSERT OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE)[/B]" without any proof or evidence behind why hillary is better[/QUOTE]
Just look below my post. I was going to go searching for Zylers posts, but he saved me the trouble.
Literally everything you posted as a response was wrong, a lie/huge exaggeration, or just flat out ignorant of the real world.
Seriously, you hear "Default on the debt" and go "WELL AT LEAST HE'S NOT CLINTON AND HE'LL DO SOMETHING"
Are you serious? What kind of low effort response is that? You want to get all pissy at me for not having sources, but you never sourced a single claim you just said stuff that's anti Clinton because that's what you've been told to do.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017179]Socialism hadn't a thing to do with it. It was definitely more "feels > reals."[/QUOTE]
The person in charge of the fed was a Libertarian who believed the magical hand of the market could never fail. He had no contingency plan and it fucked up everybody.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51017196]The person in charge of the fed was a Libertarian who believed the magical hand of the market could never fail. He had no contingency plan and it fucked up everybody.[/QUOTE]
So we can clearly see that the government failed to mitigate the crash; socialism had nothing to do with it. Rather than argue ideology, I'd much rather place the blame on ignorant analysts and institutions in the derivatives market for the irresponsible and greedy securities marketing they engaged in.
[editline]asdas[/editline]
Don't be talkin shit bout my Greenspan-kun motherfucker
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017179]It was definitely more "feels > reals."[/QUOTE]
Corporatism, deregulation and a lack of a social security net is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. The accumulative efforts of deregulation and low interest rates thanks to the republican party meant that banks could offer housing loans that had no chance of being paid back, when the bubble burst it almost destroyed the entire country's economy and put most of the world in financial disarray when a huge 'too-big-to-fail' bank collapsed.
[URL]http://www.economist.com/news/schoolsbrief/21584534-effects-financial-crisis-are-still-being-felt-five-years-article[/URL]
[QUOTE]Start with the folly of the financiers. The years before the crisis saw a flood of irresponsible mortgage lending in America. Loans were doled out to “subprime” borrowers with poor credit histories who struggled to repay them. These risky mortgages were passed on to financial engineers at the big banks, who turned them into supposedly low-risk securities by putting large numbers of them together in pools. Pooling works when the risks of each loan are uncorrelated. The big banks argued that the property markets in different American cities would rise and fall independently of one another. But this proved wrong. Starting in 2006, America suffered a nationwide house-price slump.
The pooled mortgages were used to back securities known as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs), which were sliced into tranches by degree of exposure to default. Investors bought the safer tranches because they trusted the triple-A credit ratings assigned by agencies such as Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s. This was another mistake. The agencies were paid by, and so beholden to, the banks that created the CDOs. They were far too generous in their assessments of them.
Investors sought out these securitised products because they appeared to be relatively safe while providing higher returns in a world of low interest rates. Economists still disagree over whether these low rates were the result of central bankers’ mistakes or broader shifts in the world economy. Some accuse the Fed of keeping short-term rates too low, pulling longer-term mortgage rates down with them. The Fed’s defenders shift the blame to the savings glut—the surfeit of saving over investment in emerging economies, especially China. That capital flooded into safe American-government bonds, driving down interest rates.
Low interest rates created an incentive for banks, hedge funds and other investors to hunt for riskier assets that offered higher returns. They also made it profitable for such outfits to borrow and use the extra cash to amplify their investments, on the assumption that the returns would exceed the cost of borrowing. The low volatility of the Great Moderation increased the temptation to “leverage” in this way. If short-term interest rates are low but unstable, investors will hesitate before leveraging their bets. But if rates appear stable, investors will take the risk of borrowing in the money markets to buy longer-dated, higher-yielding securities. That is indeed what happened.[/QUOTE]
[editline]8th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017207]So we can clearly see that the government failed to mitigate the crash; socialism had nothing to do with it. Rather than argue ideology, I'd much rather place the blame on ignorant analysts and institutions in the derivatives market for the irresponsible and greedy securities marketing they engaged in.[/QUOTE]
You're right that socialism had nothing to do with the 2008 financial crisis, because actual regulatory procedures would have stopped it from happening in the first place.
These kind of financial crashes are inevitable in an unregulated economy, that's why we always have a economic crash every 20 years or so. People get too greedy, checks and balances get abolished, deregulation occurs and eventually the bubble bursts.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017207]So we can clearly see that the government failed to mitigate the crash; socialism had nothing to do with it. Rather than argue ideology, I'd much rather place the blame on ignorant analysts and institutions in the derivatives market for the irresponsible and greedy securities marketing they engaged in.[/QUOTE]
No I'm saying that because the leader of the fed was so anti-socialist, he didn't have a backup plan for when things went tits up. He was a big follower of Ayn Raynd and laid down next to nothing for social security.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017207]So we can clearly see that the government failed to mitigate the crash; socialism had nothing to do with it. Rather than argue ideology, I'd much rather place the blame on ignorant analysts and institutions in the derivatives market for the irresponsible and greedy securities marketing they engaged in.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't just throw the blame at the capitalists who decided "Banking isn't generating enough money, lets do some really shady shit to bundle and repackage debts, risks, and other obligations into investments that are falsely rated AAA"? Because it's their fucking fault more than any ideology or "Ignorant analyst". Rich people with too much greed, rich institutions with too much greed. Greed is the problem. And you want to elect the greediest man in your country to run it because...
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017207]
Don't be talkin shit bout my Greenspan-kun motherfucker[/QUOTE]
Greenspan was an idiot who ignored obvious signs to maintain his ideology.
He's at fault for at least part of what the US, and global economies suffered through in 2008/9.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51017236]You wouldn't just throw the blame at the capitalists who decided "Banking isn't generating enough money, lets do some really shady shit to bundle and repackage debts, risks, and other obligations into investments that are falsely rated AAA"? Because it's their fucking fault more than any ideology or "Ignorant analyst". Rich people with too much greed, rich institutions with too much greed. Greed is the problem. And you want to elect the greediest man in your country to run it because...
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
Greenspan was an idiot who ignored obvious signs to maintain his ideology.
He's at fault for at least part of what the US, and global economies suffered through in 2008/9.[/QUOTE]
The fed can only work with what it's given- Legislation won't work fast enough in a situation like that. You need to know what IS happening and react to it appropriately. Saying who's at fault doesn't change that gov't could have prevented it or at least mitigated the damage and it didn't, because of the poorly formed philosophies of some of the cabinet.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51017236]You wouldn't just throw the blame at the capitalists who decided "Banking isn't generating enough money, lets do some really shady shit to bundle and repackage debts, risks, and other obligations into investments that are falsely rated AAA"? Because it's their fucking fault more than any ideology or "Ignorant analyst". Rich people with too much greed, rich institutions with too much greed. Greed is the problem. And you want to elect the greediest man in your country to run it because...[/QUOTE]
Analysts were the "point-of-sale" for the activity that caused the crash--they could have been more attentive or morally-fibrous, and they weren't. Of course it didn't stop just with them. Throw the banks' executives on the fire too!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51017236]And you want to elect the greediest man in your country to run it because...[/QUOTE]
[B]​point out where i said this[/B]
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017207]
Don't be talkin shit bout my Greenspan-kun motherfucker[/QUOTE]
Greenspan worshiped a wheelchair bound dogmatic who told everyone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE]
I feel like I've been in an episode of the fucking Twilight Zone for this entire election cycle.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51017250]Analysts were the "point-of-sale" for the activity that caused the crash--they could have been more attentive or morally-fibrous, and they weren't. Of course it didn't stop just with them. Throw the banks' executives on the fire too!
[B]​point out where i said this[/B][/QUOTE]
Well you want Trump to run your country, yes or no? you've been an avid supporter this far, are you not one any more?
He's a human emobdiement of greed and self aggrandizing crap. Do you want him to lead your nation, yes or no?
So this election cycle is where voting for the lesser evil has gotten us. The only reason the main political parties can even offer up these candidates is because they have such a low bar to pass. Oh, the other candidate is shit. Then we can just sit here and provide an equally shitty candidate (but our opinion is that this candidate is just slightly less shit than the other candidate).
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised that if the next election is even worse. And it'll keep getting worse as long as the main two parties can keep up with their bullshit.
People seriously need to stop voting lesser evil. Because when you vote lesser evil your ignoring the evils of the person your voting into power.
And please, stop comparing people to fucking Hitler. Trump is not Hitler. Neither is Hillary.
[QUOTE=Kigen;51017413]So this election cycle is where voting for the lesser evil has gotten us. The only reason the main political parties can even offer up these candidates is because they have such a low bar to pass. Oh, the other candidate is shit. Then we can just sit here and provide an equally shitty candidate (but our opinion is that this candidate is just slightly less shit than the other candidate).
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised that if the next election is even worse. And it'll keep getting worse as long as the main two parties can keep up with their bullshit.
People seriously need to stop voting lesser evil. Because when you vote lesser evil your ignoring the evils of the person your voting into power.
And please, stop comparing people to fucking Hitler. Trump is not Hitler. Neither is Hillary.[/QUOTE]
The political parties didn't 'offer up' these candidates. In the case of Trump, he won the Republican presidential nomination (which is a democratic process) because a plurality of the voters, the alt-right, were united behind Trump, whereas the votes of the majority of Republican voters were severely split between about ten other candidates. So because traditional Republican voters couldn't get behind a single person, a bunch of outsiders came in and toppled the process onto its head.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51015765]How is he going to substantially increase military spending while simultaneously destroying the budget and ballooning the deficit? Why are conservatives voting for this guy?[/QUOTE]
Two stupid parties think alike.
[editline]7th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=rilez;51017283]I feel like I've been in an episode of the fucking Twilight Zone for this entire election cycle.[/QUOTE]
People where saying the same thing a decade ago when you guys got Bush elected for two terms.
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