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[QUOTE=gman003-main;51016081]Simple. Who would you rather vote for: Richard Nixon, or Adolf Hitler? The law-ignoring, corrupt career politician, or the idiot whose only success was at an unspeakable genocide, started a series of massive wars that scattered bodies over three continents, and left his country a crater-ridden bombed-out husk that took a half-century to recover? A choice like this is *simple*. Trump is a bad enough candidate that you should vote for whoever seems most likely to defeat him. Right now, that's Clinton, but I'd give the same advice if the front-runner were Johnson or Stein. None of the other candidates comes even close to being as bad as Trump. (Do note that this is not a normal circumstance. A candidate as bad as Trump being nominated by a major party is a rare event, signalling a major breakdown in that party's functionality and stability. In most elections, no serious candidate is bad enough to justify tactical voting on this scale, as tactical voting is harmful to the democratic process. I did not give such advice for the Obama/Romney election, and would not have in a Kasich/Clinton or Bush/Clinton or even Cruz/Clinton election. Trump is, literally, a greater class of bad.)[/QUOTE] Are you actually, unironically comparing Trump to Hitler? Jesus christ you've gone off the deep end You're basically saying Trump has committed genocide and are using it as an argument. You're insane. [editline]9th September 2016[/editline] guy above [video=youtube;vGqD8-a-REQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ[/video]
An ad saying something isn't really "Obama literally saying" something. Really seems like a standard election mudslinging ad.
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51023535] (Obama literally said this about her) .[/QUOTE] Ya then he appointed her secretary of state do you not know how elections work?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51015826]If you are voting for Trump, you are voting for a vapid, ineffectual, anti-intellectual demagogue who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and no actual plan for moving forward. He contradicts himself at every possible turn. He spews whatever inane bullshit he thinks he needs to in order to win over the voters.[/QUOTE] It's like choosing between Aids, or HIV.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51024024]It's like choosing between Aids, or HIV.[/QUOTE] Bad analogy considering HIV is what causes AIDS, and HIV infections have a very good prognosis nowadays. Better would be pancreatic cancer or lung cancer.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51024062]Bad analogy considering HIV is what causes AIDS, and HIV infections have a very good prognosis nowadays. Better would be pancreatic cancer or lung cancer.[/QUOTE] I prefer drowning or suffocating as a comparison...
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51023558]Are you actually, unironically comparing Trump to Hitler? Jesus christ you've gone off the deep end You're basically saying Trump has committed genocide and are using it as an argument. You're insane. [/QUOTE] No he didn't, it's called hyperbole. And actually, considering that Trump's policy has been building a massive wall to block out "illegals" and has proposed killing innocent people because their relative became a terrorist, the comparison isn't as far-fetched as say, calling Romney Hitler or Obama Hitler.
some people just wanna vote for clinton..because she's a woman. I don't get this. They will dismiss any part of her program just because "She's a woman, we need diversity" Plus, people could call me sexist for that.. but clinton isn't exactly the FIRST female president i envisioned. I imagined a better woman as a president that's not corrupted. If she become it, then.. she'll stay in history as the first female president in the united state.. and she'll be praised in the future for this only reason.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51030338]some people just wanna vote for clinton..because she's a woman. I don't get this. They will dismiss any part of her program just because "She's a woman, we need diversity" Plus, people could call me sexist for that.. but clinton isn't exactly the FIRST female president i envisioned. I imagined a better woman as a president that's not corrupted. If she become it, then.. she'll stay in history as the first female president in the united state.. and she'll be praised in the future for this only reason.[/QUOTE] I think at this stage people are voting for Clinton because she actually has better policies for Americans than Trump does, and because she's intelligent, mature and experienced - all the things that Trump is not. I haven't even begun to mention what the majority of Americans think of Trump's views and his association with white supremacists.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51030338]some people just wanna vote for clinton..because she's a woman. I don't get this. They will dismiss any part of her program just because "She's a woman, we need diversity" Plus, people could call me sexist for that.. but clinton isn't exactly the FIRST female president i envisioned. I imagined a better woman as a president that's not corrupted. If she become it, then.. she'll stay in history as the first female president in the united state.. and she'll be praised in the future for this only reason.[/QUOTE] no one wants to vote for her based on that find one mention of it i dare you find one sincere "i only want her to be president for her vagina" post Find one sincere one. That's it. Everyone I know of is doing it to stop Trump because they live in the real world where Trump is a nightmare waiting to happen
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51030338]some people just wanna vote for clinton..because she's a woman. I don't get this. They will dismiss any part of her program just because "She's a woman, we need diversity" Plus, people could call me sexist for that.. but clinton isn't exactly the FIRST female president i envisioned. I imagined a better woman as a president that's not corrupted. If she become it, then.. she'll stay in history as the first female president in the united state.. and she'll be praised in the future for this only reason.[/QUOTE] i see the occasional person following this logic on twitter or tumblr but its by no means a significant percentage of her voter base
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51030358]no one wants to vote for her based on that find one mention of it i dare you find one sincere "i only want her to be president for her vagina" post Find one sincere one. That's it. Everyone I know of is doing it to stop Trump because they live in the real world where Trump is a nightmare waiting to happen[/QUOTE] everyone is hating on trump but why did he get so far yet? That's the question. Do it means that his supporter accepted every of his scandal since the beginning but when he insulted (like usual) a veteran they just understood how bad he is and switched sides?
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51030376]everyone is hating on trump but why did he get so far yet? That's the question. Do it means that his supporter accepted every of his scandal since the beginning but when he insulted (like usual) a veteran they just understood how bad he is and switched sides?[/QUOTE] Because he had media attention, he had an advantage in the primaries and people are genuinely upset with how little politics represents them in general. Trump capitalized on this and manipulated the media and his message to his benefit. That's how. [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] tell me, does a person who thinks you have no right to say negative things about him in public deserve the presidency? [url]http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289894-trump-praises-muslim-soldier-but-says-father-has-no-right[/url] His words, verbatim [QUOTE]“While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things. If I become President, I will make America safe again.”[/QUOTE] Either Trump made a mistake, or he doesn't believe that anyone has the right to criticize him. Everyone does under the first amendment though, but he'd likely apply his office to shut up a man who criticized him in all due fairness.
I've talked to more people who have pre-emptively said they [I]aren't[/I] voting for her just because she is a woman than I have people saying explicitly that she is a woman. Yeah anecdote but the claim that people are only voting for her because she is a woman is just as much of a baseless anecdote so w/e
[QUOTE=Anderan;51023580]An ad saying something isn't really "Obama literally saying" something. Really seems like a standard election mudslinging ad.[/QUOTE] Obama specifically said that he approved the message. I don't think it's unfair to say that he at least fully supported those words. [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51030486]I've talked to more people who have pre-emptively said they [I]aren't[/I] voting for her just because she is a woman[/QUOTE] I'm a conservative who lives around tons of conservatives, and I've literally never heard anyone say that. On the other hand, Hillary, herself, says you should vote for her, at least partly, because she's a woman. [editline]10th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51030358]no one wants to vote for her based on that find one mention of it i dare you find one sincere "i only want her to be president for her vagina" post Find one sincere one. That's it. Everyone I know of is doing it to stop Trump because they live in the real world where Trump is a nightmare waiting to happen[/QUOTE] It's not a post, but Madeleine Albright, a well known figure of the democratic party, said that women who don't vote for Clinton have a special place in Hell. After which, Clinton laughed and applauded.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51030985]Obama specifically said that he approved the message. I don't think it's unfair to say that he at least fully supported those words. [/QUOTE] Every political ad has had something like that since George W. popularized it in 2000. He probably just gave it a watch and put a stamp on it. And this is beside the point that things can change over the course of 8 years and once people are no longer directly competing with each other for the same position?
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;51031121]Every political ad has had something like that since George W. popularized it in 2000. He probably just gave it a watch and put a stamp on it. And this is beside the point that things can change over the course of 8 years and once people are no longer directly competing with each other for the same position?[/QUOTE] You sound like a Trump supporter, making excuses for him. He still said it. It being on an add isn't some excuse that makes everything you approve meaningless.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51031147]You sound like a Trump supporter, making excuses for him. He still said it. It being on an add isn't some excuse that makes everything you approve meaningless.[/QUOTE] How does pointing out the incredibly obvious fact that people's minds can sometimes change at all make me like a Trump supporter?
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;51031199]How does pointing out the incredibly obvious fact that people's minds can sometimes change at all make me like a Trump supporter?[/QUOTE] I's more the whole line of, "Oh, he didn't really mean it. It was just for political purposes. Etc."
[QUOTE=sgman91;51030985]Obama specifically said that he approved the message. I don't think it's unfair to say that he at least fully supported those words.[/QUOTE] That's assuming he even actually saw the ad before it went out, and doesn't just give who ever is in charge of his ad campaign an "I approve this message" recording that they slap onto ads they come up with. Even if he did approve it a)That's not the same as him "literally saying" it and b)It's still just a standard election mudslinging ad that's about as relevant as Trump being friendly with Clinton in the past.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;51024916]I prefer drowning or suffocating as a comparison...[/QUOTE] I prefer taking a cyanide pill or dying overtime from cancer.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51031227]I's more the whole line of, "Oh, he didn't really mean it. It was just for political purposes. Etc."[/QUOTE] Is the concept of campaign attack ads something you have a hard time wrapping your head around? [QUOTE]That's assuming he even actually saw the ad before it went out, and doesn't just give who ever is in charge of his ad campaign an "I approve this message" recording that they slap onto ads they come up with. Even if he did approve it a)That's not the same as him "literally saying" it and b)It's still just a standard election mudslinging ad that's about as relevant as Trump being friendly with Clinton in the past.[/QUOTE] He said it best, but do you seriously take everything a politician says at 100% face value?
[QUOTE=sgman91;51030985] I'm a conservative who lives around tons of conservatives, and I've literally never heard anyone say that. On the other hand, Hillary, herself, says you should vote for her, at least partly, because she's a woman.[/QUOTE] The way I worded that might be confusing, what I mean is, I've met more supporters of Clinton who in the course of explaining why they support Clinton make sure to let me know that it's not because she is a woman. They go out of their way to say this.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51031227]I's more the whole line of, "Oh, he didn't really mean it. It was just for political purposes. Etc."[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but saying that Hillary Clinton is a liar is nowhere near as indefensible as saying that you know more about military opponents than the country's own generals. Or implying that you're going to remove the current generals Or that the current president founded the Islamic State Or that family members of terrorists should be killed Or that Putin is a better leader than the current president Or that the current president isn't a legal US citizen, only to allegedly withdraw just today
Don't forget subtly calling for violence against his opponent.
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