• Modern Warfare 2 - $1 Billion Served and Counting
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The only companies I trust to make good sequels are Valve and Rare, but that's only because I can't explain why I love Nuts & Bolts so goddamn much. [editline]07:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;19617531]That mission wasn't just made to shock people, it gave the reason to the entire war. The Russians used American weapons and spoke English, not to mention leaving an American's body to be found at the airport to make it look like a terrorist attack. That's what got Russia invading America. It wasn't a random "HURR LET'S FUCK SHIT UP" mission.[/QUOTE] That was quite obviously the developer intention. [QUOTE]He made it explode in space. It wasn't even inside the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] LET'S ARGUE SEMANTICS [editline]07:19PM[/editline] :dance:
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19617531]That mission wasn't just made to shock people, it gave the reason to the entire war. The Russians used American weapons and spoke English, not to mention leaving an American's body to be found at the airport to make it look like a terrorist attack. That's what got Russia invading America. It wasn't a random "HURR LET'S FUCK SHIT UP" mission. He made it explode in space. It wasn't even inside the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] They worked the mission into the story, and I guess it fit in the end. They could've just put it in as a cutscene, but they made it a level so they could bring back that shock that they provided with the Al-Asad Nuke. The proceed to do this shock two more times. The nuke may have exploded in space (which for some reason made a space station ignite into flames. In space.) but you launch a nuke nonetheless.
[QUOTE=Snuffy;19617555]The only companies I trust to make good sequels are Valve and Rare, but that's only because I can't explain why I love Nuts & Bolts so goddamn much.[/QUOTE]The only amazing sequels they have is Team Fortress 2 and Half Life 2. Episode 1 & 2 are not really that amazing to be honest. I've not tried Left 4 Dead 2 but my friends say it's not that different from the 1st one.
[QUOTE=Owner3;19617386]1) most likely a developer oversight, but that dosn't make a game bad. and would you have rather had no weapon while riding the snow mobile? they balanced fun over realism. and what's wrong with playing an action movie? it was fairly well thought out, especially shepherd's backstory and why he did what he did. 2) storytelling wasn't bad. you got plenty of story through the cutscenes before each mission and throughout the levels. and generic badasses? try almost every single fps ever created. 3) great 4) i still disagree, it seems like there's more to it. but there's no source code or anything so it's really just up for debate. as for portal, i didn't bring it up in the first place. and killstreaks unbalanced? use a launcher and the cold blooded perk. easy.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. It wasn't the Best game, but it was damn right good in my opinion. It didn't beat MW1 in single player by any means but still kept me on the edge like a good action flick. I find the multiplayer rather addicting, but it can easily tick you off with the unbalanced issues.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;19617595]They worked the mission into the story, and I guess it fit in the end. They could've just put it in as a cutscene, but they made it a level so they could bring back that shock that they provided with the Al-Asad Nuke. The proceed to do this shock two more times.[/quote] A cutscene is boring compared to gameplay. You're bitching that they let you take part in a major plot point? [quote]The nuke may have exploded in space (which for some reason made a space station ignite into flames. In space.) but you launch a nuke nonetheless.[/QUOTE] Read: shockwaves can and do travel through space. Don't believe me? Argue with NASA.
[QUOTE=Billiam;19616668]Jesus Christ, talk about a game that didn't deserve this.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't a really good game deserve sales? Name a flaw in the single player campaign. Name a flaw in the multiplayer. Name a flaw in the spec ops. Now I'm not saying the game is perfect, but I want to see what BS reasons that you come up with on why this game is awful.
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;19617672]Why wouldn't a really good game deserve sales? Name a flaw in the single player campaign. Name a flaw in the multiplayer. Name a flaw in the spec ops. Now I'm not saying the game is perfect, but I want to see what BS reasons that you come up with on why this game is awful.[/QUOTE] We've been arguing for a page and a half on the title's perceived shortcomings. I assure you there's no shortage of bullshit here. :v: [editline]07:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;19617662]A Read: shockwaves can and do travel through space. Don't believe me? Argue with NASA.[/QUOTE] The ISS is technically in low-earth orbit, where there's a smattering of atmosphere the wave can travel through. Acoustic shockwaves can't happen in deep space, of course, but the situation portrayed is at least slightly scientifically feasible. I read an article on it a while ago, but sadly I can't find it again. The long and the short of it was while shockwaves don't travel as fast when there's not as much matter to pass through, but do travel further. I think RPS linked to it, I'm not sure. It was quite interesting.
[QUOTE=Owner3;19617386]1) most likely a developer oversight, but that dosn't make a game bad. and would you have rather had no weapon while riding the snow mobile? they balanced fun over realism. and what's wrong with playing an action movie? it was fairly well thought out, especially shepherd's backstory and why he did what he did. 2) storytelling wasn't bad. you got plenty of story through the cutscenes before each mission and throughout the levels. and generic badasses? try almost every single fps ever created. 3) great 4) i still disagree, it seems like there's more to it. but there's no source code or anything so it's really just up for debate. as for portal, i didn't bring it up in the first place. and killstreaks unbalanced? use a launcher and the cold blooded perk. easy.[/QUOTE] 1) You can have both! I'm not asking for ArmA realism, CoDMW was fun, but believable and playing an action movie and action movies in general have been done to death. Also, I'd rather they didn't put the snowmobiling thing in there in the first place, it was pretty un-entertaining imo. 2) Storytelling was baaaaaaaad, it's like they just put it in as filler and to connect all the missions together. And most fps badasses have something that make them worth remembering. Gordon Freeman? You hardly see his character, but the characters around him make him seem awesome. Duke Nukem? Appeals to nostalgia. Bioshock guy? Definitely not a generic badass. Price was worth remembering, but they introduced him back in half-way through the game and he hardly did anything in MW2! 3) Yep 4) Don't get me wrong graphics were great, but nothing to go nuts over Yep This defeats the whole purpose of having all the perks and weapons and shit. Sure, I can do that, but my whole team won't. It's either I join the team that decimates or join the decimatee, I find a good match every once in awhile
[QUOTE=Snuffy;19617911]We've been arguing for a page and a half on the title's perceived shortcomings. I assure you there's no shortage of bullshit here. :v:[/QUOTE] Well theres a few sides to the argument. People who just keep bashing their heads against the wall yelling "ITS BAD ITS BAD ITS BAD ITS BAD." in some sort of religous fervor. People who are trying to stay MW2 isn't perfect but its a decent enough game. And at least some people like you making an intelligent argument as to why the game isn't so good. The second and third arguments are just the same divide between any media whether it be a movie/game, the first is the stupid one. People that haven't played the game read forums all day and make a half-baked opinion and then spread it everywhere.
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;19617672]Why wouldn't a really good game deserve sales? Name a flaw in the single player campaign. Name a flaw in the multiplayer. Name a flaw in the spec ops. Now I'm not saying the game is perfect, but I want to see what BS reasons that you come up with on why this game is awful.[/QUOTE] I didn't say the game was awful, I said it didn't deserve 1 billion. And read the thread, I already did. CoD1, 2, MW those deserve more attention and money. It was good, I had some fun, but definitely not worth remembering and not even close to the best in the series.
You know, the dumb bullshit surrounding this game is getting very tiring. If you like it, play it and stop shit posting. If you didn't like it, don't play it and stop shit posting. [editline]05:50PM[/editline] Ever since this game "dropped its bombshell" I kept repeating this over and over again and no-one seemed to understand it when I said it. [editline]05:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Diet Kane;19617246] And I'm done, I can't stand anymore casuals who will bring the ultimate downfall of the industry. I'll be in my bunker with my tin-foil hat which deflects Bobby Kotick's indoctrination rays.[/QUOTE] hahahha
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;19617076]So you're saying you wouldn't mind if more companies followed Activision's actions are started charging you $80 to buy a game, $15 a month to play said game online, $20 for DLC packs, and no support for community of said game at all? Jesus.[/QUOTE] It's $50 everywhere I've seen it, you don't have to pay shit to play online, there is no DLC out how can you tell what it costs? "HURRRF DURRRF BUSINESS WANT MONEY PHUCK DEM THEY SPOSED TO NOT B SUCESSFUL!!!!1111" they're not UNICEF, they're a business, you're going to pay money for something/ [editline]08:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;19618256]It's $50 everywhere I've seen it, you don't have to pay shit to play online, there is no DLC out how can you tell what it costs? "HURRRF DURRRF BUSINESS WANT MONEY PHUCK DEM THEY SPOSED TO NOT B SUCESSFUL!!!!1111" they're not UNICEF, they're a business, you're going to pay money for something[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=evilweazel;19618256]It's $50 everywhere I've seen it[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&MSCSProfile=3C79F0C7EA3162B2AD2D24472DF6467F638D22F912A2166530923913A732FC9CE259A8270A665FAFAF16BF26A112FA22A52014C7EDE4F55D269973316085E2A1A0873CD7E7633339B41334DA32579E0F4B12EEBB776FEC626801005B3A67F6A3814A7A7852B73A34CD40F1429726737694B4BAADF3EBE919&sku_id=0665000FS10134086&catid=[/url]
[QUOTE=combine487;19617280]Read up before making that argument again.[/QUOTE] Read up before making that argument again. EP2 alone had a much more satisfying campaign, but it was a single player game. It's not 60 bucks, but what was $50/$60 bucks was a 5 game package. Where effectively each title got loads of awards.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;19623035]Read up before making that argument again. EP2 alone had a much more satisfying campaign, but it was a single player game. It's not 60 bucks, but what was $50/$60 bucks was a 5 game package. Where effectively each title got loads of awards.[/QUOTE] Yeeeahhhh and MW2 came with multiplayer (say tf2?), co-operative (tf2 again maybe?), and singelplayer component (half life portal etc). Also if your argument is that, because MW2 doesn't reach the standard of Orange Box it is therefore a bad game, then there are plenty more games you should be getting angry about. If you like multiplayer games MW2 is worth it, why would you buy it just for its singleplayer anyway, its Call of Duty.
In hindsight, the multiplayer is a lot more accessible than COD4 to casual players and does a lot to perk them up and make them feel part of the whole thing. I also like the idea of joining games at the beginning of the round although this could have been implemented through use of a better system than IWfail which really just seems like a rehash of a matchmaking engine for RTS games. Could have even been implemented in a server list and provided as a filter. I personally think they should have kept the server list but enhanced it with public chat lobbies that each have their own server list, akin to SWAT3 (for those of you who remember), so for example you could join an IW Official UK Lobby #4 or whatever and then view and join the games taking place in that lobby. It would have really added to the community aspect. Also, lack of modding support is just retarded and inexcusable and removal of lean in the PC version is an insult especially when backed up with the immortal words "not balanced for lean", those words just make me rage every time I even think of them. [editline]11:29AM[/editline] edwqe
[QUOTE=combine487;19623192]Yeeeahhhh and MW2 came with multiplayer (say tf2?), co-operative (tf2 again maybe?), and singelplayer component (half life portal etc). Also if your argument is that, because MW2 doesn't reach the standard of Orange Box it is therefore a bad game, then there are plenty more games you should be getting angry about. If you like multiplayer games MW2 is worth it, why would you buy it just for its singleplayer anyway, its Call of Duty.[/QUOTE] There's a problem with your argument, MW2 is a piece of shit that will be forgotten and replaced in ten months, and TF2/Portal/HL are great games that people will still be playing/talking about years from now. Also TF2 gets updated with new maps/features/unlockable weapons for the classes [b]for free[/b], and what do CoD games get? Oh yeah, those crappy map packs that you have to [b]pay for.[/b]
[QUOTE=tankkiller;19625531]There's a problem with your argument, MW2 is a piece of shit that will be forgotten and replaced in ten months, and TF2/Portal/HL are great games that people will still be playing/talking about years from now. Also TF2 gets updated with new maps/features/unlockable weapons for the classes [B]for free[/B], and what do CoD games get? Oh yeah, those crappy map packs that you have to [B]pay for.[/B][/QUOTE]Erm, Call of Duty 4 was still the 2nd most played game on Xbox Live in 2009 and seeing as much more people bought and are playing MW2, I don't think so. Also the map packs cost hardly anything, I don't even enjoy Modern Warfare 2 that much but it's pretty sad how bad and seriously you seem to take it, why don't you go debate about something else that is important. Buh-bye.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;19625606]Also the map packs cost hardly anything, I don't even enjoy Modern Warfare 2 that much but it's pretty sad how bad and seriously you seem to take it, why don't you go debate about something else that is important. Buh-bye.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked this website isn't Nazi Germany, stop complaining about me discussing/debating a video game. "Buh-bye."
[QUOTE=tankkiller;19625664]Last time I checked this website isn't Nazi Germany, stop complaining about me discussing/debating a video game. "Buh-bye."[/QUOTE]You're not really discussing/debating it. Your argument boils down to "it's over the top and I don't like it". Also [QUOTE=tankkiller;19611209]You're an idiot, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean everyone else hates it.[/QUOTE] who does this sound like, hmm?
I'm not calling MW2 a bad game. I'll admit the game has SOME perks (like pros over cons, not in game mechanics) I like. The graphics are beautiful but I bet its going to be inhumane treatment on my processor. The gameplay looks ALRIGHT. I can't say its any better than MW1 cause it looks almost the exact same just with more options. One thing I really dislike is the fact they removed the dedicated servers. I'm not gonna play a FPS on a console unless I absolutely have to. As a PC game I expect dedicated servers to be in a game. Another thing I don't like is the rediculous price tag. Especially since I've heard that the campaign can be as short as 4 hours if you know what you are doing. The only feature I've seen so far that would make the game worth buying (not for $60.) Is special ops. Plus that fiasco with the DLC packs announced BEFORE the game is released really pissed me off. IF I buy this damn game, I'm not buying it till the price drops below $30. End of story.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;19625936]You're not really discussing/debating it. Your argument boils down to "it's over the top and I don't like it". who does this sound like, hmm?[/QUOTE] Okay? And? it's still discussion/debating. Did you even read the post I was quoting? [editline]10:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Solo Wing;19625949]I'll admit the game has SOME perks (like pros over cons, not in game mechanics) I like. The graphics are beautiful but I bet its going to be inhumane treatment on my processor. The gameplay looks ALRIGHT. I can't say its any better than MW1 cause it looks almost the exact same just with more options. One thing I really dislike is the fact they removed the dedicated servers. I'm not gonna play a FPS on a console unless I absolutely have to. As a PC game I expect dedicated servers to be in a game. Another thing I don't like is the rediculous price tag. Especially since I've heard that the campaign can be as short as 4 hours if you know what you are doing. The only feature I've seen so far that would make the game worth buying (not for $60.) Is special ops. Plus that fiasco with the DLC packs announced BEFORE the game is released really pissed me off. IF I buy this damn game, I'm not buying it till the price drops below $30.[/QUOTE] You just wrote a bunch of stuff I was too lazy to write, I agree with a lot (not all) of the things you said.
I like this game more than I would have if I had paid 60 euro's, paying 35 really makes me feel happy. :v:
[QUOTE=tankkiller;19626145]Okay? And? it's still discussion/debating. Did you even read the post I was quoting? [editline]10:14AM[/editline] You just wrote a bunch of stuff I was too lazy to write, I agree with a lot (not all) of the things you said.[/QUOTE]yeh, it was nearly as stupid as your posts
Is it a British Billion or an American Billion? [editline]05:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Snuffy;19617392]The Orange Box was $60 on the consoles. Episode 2 by itself was $20.[/QUOTE] The Orange Box was like 3 good games into one package, MW2 is 1 game.
[QUOTE=rofflewoffles;19616640] ill pick it up when its on sale[/QUOTE] As if that will ever happen. :v:
I bought Modern Warfare 2 for $40 brand new from amazon.com. Just shop smart people. Nobody is forcing you to pay $60 for it. Also tankkiller is a horrible troll. Everybody just ignore him.
I got it for £24.99 not a bad price
[QUOTE=tankkiller;19625531]There's a problem with your argument, MW2 is a piece of shit that will be forgotten and replaced in ten months, and TF2/Portal/HL are great games that people will still be playing/talking about years from now. Also TF2 gets updated with new maps/features/unlockable weapons for the classes [B]for free[/B], and what do CoD games get? Oh yeah, those crappy map packs that you have to [B]pay for.[/B][/QUOTE] Wow I really hit your valve fanboy spot didn't I. I didn't even attack the Orange Box, merely made some shallow comparisons, I even complemented it in my post. Naturally you didn't see any for that. You keep posting that you want a debate and discussion when you have no idea how to actually make one. You didn't respond to my earlier question which was have you actually played MW2?
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;19616782]You *never played* the first one but you "hated it to hell" anyway? Wow, in that case, your opinion must be right and not just formed from your imagination.[/QUOTE] After the initial play.
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