• [United Kongdim] Legal Highs Banned as of 26th May.
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in the end it's just politics and i can imagine that wavey dave and george "i haven't sniffed a single stripe, honest!" gideon osborne think it's stupid but for political reasons, i'd like to imagine so anyway that's it lads, just gonna have to crack on with the stella and sterling fresh burst until 2020
Perhaps they watched this: [video=youtube;D2nq8DzYToE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2nq8DzYToE[/video]
[quote] “alcoholic product” means any product which— [b](a)contains alcohol, and (b)does not contain any psychoactive substance.[/b] In this paragraph “tobacco product” means— (a)anything which is a tobacco product within the meaning of the Tobacco Products Duty Act 1979 (see section 1 of that Act), and (b)any other product which— [b](i)contains nicotine, and (ii)does not contain any psychoactive substance.[/b] [/quote] Uuuuhhhh.... maybe I have my definitions wrong, but aren't they contradictions?
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50396324]Uuuuhhhh.... maybe I have my definitions wrong, but aren't they contradictions?[/QUOTE]drug policy has no basis in reality
So if I now go to the shop and buy some Green Tea i will be breaking the law? As for what ever reason, Green Tea gets me "High". Heck some of the artificial food flavourings has a similar effect on my Mum, So what about them?
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50396324]Uuuuhhhh.... maybe I have my definitions wrong, but aren't they contradictions?[/QUOTE] Yep [QUOTE]Psychoactive drugs are substances that can alter the consciousness, mood, and thoughts of those who use them. Examples include tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, amphetamines, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin.[/QUOTE]
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The food clause is pretty funny, willing to be that there will be a surge in the popularity of things like nutmeg if they find the resources to enforce this.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50396356]Yep[/QUOTE] chocolate dopamine that is all oops covered under food clause, also trying to find a loophole for pot brownies but dunno
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;50396470]The food clause is pretty funny, willing to be that there will be a surge in the popularity of things like nutmeg if they find the resources to enforce this.[/QUOTE] Nutmeg will drive you n u t t e r s
The only nutmeg I know is nutella.
So I thumbed through the document and it seems I can enjoy magic mushrooms if I eat them for their delicious flavour, rather than their psychoactive effects. Could someone more versed in legalese possibly confirm this, please? EDIT: On second thoughts, is this a supplement to the existing policy, or a replacement?
As if any of this is going to change a fucking thing.
what even is the problem with substances that have psychoactive effects
I'm not sure who they think they're representing when passing shitty laws like this.
Looks like absynth is rebanned since the herbs added give it psychoactive properties of red-bull [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] Also red bull and any herbal energy drink
[QUOTE]Also [I][U]red bull[/U][/I] and any herbal energy drink[/QUOTE] Having wings after drinking must be considered psychoactive.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50396636]what even is the problem with substances that have psychoactive effects[/QUOTE] People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people
Bet it will be enforced just like it is in the US: passively. You'll probably only run into this if you're actually huffing
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50397014]Having wings after drinking must be considered psychoactive.[/QUOTE] More that it contains ginsing and ginko which both are psychoactive under this definition [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;50397065]Bet it will be enforced just like it is in the US: passively. You'll probably only run into this if you're actually huffing[/QUOTE] If they enforce this like the US, then you'll only get caught if youre a minority
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50397065]Bet it will be enforced just like it is in the US: passively. You'll probably only run into this if you're actually huffing[/QUOTE] They've made a point that it's not intended to target users. Just dealers and sellers. Going after users doesn't really happen as much over here any more, the police just don't have the resources. Might as well target the source after all. It's a pretty daft ban due to how generic it is. They've had to word the exemptions extremely carefully to try and make it both do what they want it to do, and not ban shitloads of things that are commonly used to not get high, but that do contain psychoactive components. It's pretty unlikely to be enforced unless you're a reasonably noticed dealer of RCs.
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50397052]People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people[/QUOTE] i always see people saying stuff this but they never respond to an argument (hello government). do you know why this shit kills people? do you know that in countries where there is proper education, regulation and treatment this shit kills less people? dumb fucking throwaway comments like 'this shit kills people' help no one and further perpetuate this bullshit.
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50397052]People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people[/QUOTE] No, that's not what the war on drugs is about. The problem with psychoactive substances is that some of them change the way you think and often cause the user to question authority. The war on drugs is a war on people
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50397052]People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people[/QUOTE]alcohol costs the NHS 3.5 billion pound a year nicotine costs the NHS 2 billion pound a year
[QUOTE=cody8295;50397105]No, that's not what the war on drugs is about. The problem with psychoactive substances is that some of them change the way you think and often cause the user to question authority. The war on drugs is a war on people[/QUOTE] Okay Cody. They're stopping you from taking shittonnes of heroin and eating 500 magic mushrooms because you might become woke and destroy the government, that's right No, the war on drugs is a morality crusade. It isn't to do with questioning authority, it is to do with the perceived health risks of drugs and the perception of narcotics as immoral, both for logical and illogical reasons.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50397159]Okay Cody. They're stopping you from taking shittonnes of heroin and eating 500 magic mushrooms because you might become woke and destroy the government, that's right[/QUOTE] anything can sound silly if you reduce it to absurdity
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50397145]alcohol costs the NHS 3.5 billion pound a year nicotine costs the NHS 2 billion pound a year[/QUOTE] And both are a net gain to the UK government from reduced life spans causing reduced pension costs
[QUOTE=Sepia Gnome;50396612]As if any of this is going to change a fucking thing.[/QUOTE] Think about it, people got synthetic cannbis like Spice and K2 becuase it was readily avalible from the highstreet and 'legal', its a shit knockoff weed substitute. Now Spice and K2 are just as difficult to obtain as actual weed, who the fuck is gonna take the knock off shit over real weed. It'll 'work' at breaking the legal high shops, but it will fuck up otherthings and thats likely the desired outcome. I want the legal high trade to fuck off i won't pretend to say otherwise (and before it comes up, Legal Highs as in the Drug shops, not alcohol), But my stance on this law is that it's heavy handed, vague, and overall shit.
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50397052]People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people[/QUOTE] most, if not all psychiatric drugs available on prescription by the NHS are psychoactive pretty sure a broad category of them are intended to keep people alive [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] honestly if anything [B]had[/B] to be banned in the first place, it should've just been synthetic cannabinoids
THEY BANNED IT TODAY? FUCKING CUNTS FUCK OFF AND BAN ME
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