[United Kongdim] Legal Highs Banned as of 26th May.
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Even if this were possible to effectively enforce, the costs of doing so would be prohibitively high. What a half-baked idea.
heres to drinking shit like GBL
Which is no fucking joke, I know a guy who's studying in the UK right now and he's tried every substance he could get his hands on. But alloy wheel cleaner has finally been his demise, he can't get out of bed without the stuff and he has to carry it with him in a flask to fight the withdraw. I haven't heard from him in 6 months but chances are, he's gotten worse
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50397358]What a half-baked idea.[/QUOTE]
They were high while writing this bill
I don't think most people in this thread realise that the point of the ban is to ban real harmful shit like Black Mamba, which was sold in shops under the guise of being 'legal weed' when actually it's really fucking bad for you.
It was to close a loophole the scumbag owners of the shops were taking advantage of.
EDIT: If you want to know more about 'legal highs' watch this.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzaQ0xlOfUE[/media]
They're awful and a ban like this is actually a good thing. Shops can't sell shit like this anymore.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;50396324]Uuuuhhhh.... maybe I have my definitions wrong, but aren't they contradictions?[/QUOTE]
In a logical sense, yes, but in a legal sense no.
Section 2 of the Act defines "psychoactive substance" as anything that:
[I](a)is capable of producing a psychoactive effect in a person who consumes it, and
(b)is not an exempted substance (see section 3).[/I]
Alcohol is considered not a psychoactive substance as defined by the law, as it is exempt by provision of another section, and therefore the legal definition makes sense.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50397159]Okay Cody.
They're stopping you from taking shittonnes of heroin and eating 500 magic mushrooms because you might become woke and destroy the government, that's right
No, the war on drugs is a morality crusade. It isn't to do with questioning authority, it is to do with the perceived health risks of drugs and the perception of narcotics as immoral, both for logical and illogical reasons.[/QUOTE]
This blanket ban only goes to show that it's not about safety, it's about legislating behavior, specifically regulating which molecules a person may use to change their conscious state of mind to a very restrictive culturally acceptable range.
If they wanted people to stop doing dangerous "legal weed" alternatives then maybe just make normal weed legal?
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50397052]People getting addicted, having their lives ruined and imposing cost on society and the NHS/emergency services
The intent to keep people alive and to save money in the long run is a good one, this shit kills people[/QUOTE]
Legal highs causing deaths and health problems barely have any strain on healthcare costs compared to say, obesity and mental illness treatments.
What about the people who get high on life?
[QUOTE=geel9;50399752]If they wanted people to stop doing dangerous "legal weed" alternatives then maybe just make normal weed legal?[/QUOTE]
ok so what you're basically saying is that the government shouldn't ban the sale of these dangerous chemicals because if they just legalised weed this problem would just go away? seriously?
i don't think you understand that you could walk into shops and buy this shit over the counter. i already know what you're revving up to say -- 'b-but you can buy tobacco and alcohol in shops!' yeah, you can, but they're nowhere near as severe as these 'legal highs'
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399841]ok so what you're basically saying is that the government shouldn't ban the sale of these dangerous chemicals because if they just legalised weed this problem would just go away? seriously?[/QUOTE]
The demand would never have been created if weed was legal in the first place. The war on drugs [b]does not work.[/b]
Instead of recognizing their mistake, they're just doubling down and it's going to make the situation even worse.
[QUOTE=geel9;50399845]The demand would never have been created if weed was legal in the first place. The war on drugs [b]does not work.[/b]
Instead of recognizing their mistake, they're just doubling down and it's going to make the situation even worse.[/QUOTE]
ok fam so just ignore the problem and let the sale of these poisons continue? just because weed should be legal? lmao
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399850]ok fam so just ignore the problem and let the sale of these poisons continue? just because weed should be legal? lmao[/QUOTE]
They're not just banning "poisons". They're banning any and all pyschoactive substances. By doing so, they're just creating a situation where if you want to get high, you're [b]forced to be a criminal.[/b] Instead of putting money into education and harm reduction, they're putting money into further punishing people for wanting to get high.
If you get rid of the war on drugs, people wouldn't feel compelled to do fucking krokadil when they have drugs available legally that [b]don't[/b] rot your skin off.
Ultimately I believe it is up to a person to decide what they want to put in their body. Soda is a poison too.
[QUOTE=geel9;50399864]They're not just banning "poisons". They're banning any and all pyschoactive substances. By doing so, they're just creating a situation where if you want to get high, you're [b]forced to be a criminal.[/b] Instead of putting money into education and harm reduction, they're putting money into further punishing people for wanting to get high.
If you get rid of the war on drugs, people wouldn't feel compelled to do fucking krokadil when they have drugs available legally that [b]don't[/b] rot your skin off.
Ultimately I believe it is up to a person to decide what they want to put in their body. Soda is a poison too.[/QUOTE]
As I said, as someone living in the UK, I've seen many of these sorts of bans etc put in place before. They're only put in place to stop shops selling them; they sound much more severe than they actually are. They're not going to go out onto the streets and search everybody.
Bans like this stop shops profiting off misery. Which is only a good thing.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399887]As I said, as someone living in the UK, I've seen many of these sorts of bans etc put in place before. They're only put in place to stop shops selling them; they sound much more severe than they actually are. They're not going to go out onto the streets and search everybody.
Bans like this stop shops profiting off misery. Which is only a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Okay, then we should also ban alcohol, cigarettes, fast food, and soda.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399850]ok fam so just ignore the problem and let the sale of these poisons continue? just because weed should be legal? lmao[/QUOTE]
They're just making more people susceptible to becoming victims of a war on drugs. If drugs were legal you could as a government say "You should probably do weed instead of this addictive and more dangerous stuff if you're gonna do anything at all".. I dunno as in providing education and useful information to help people make better choices
there is a difference between those things and this thing. the world isn't black and white bro.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399902]there is a difference between those things and this thing. the world isn't black and white bro.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm glad we have you to determine the line. Here I was thinking people should be allowed to determine what to do with their own bodies. Thankfully, you've shown me the light.
For the sake of clarity -- where, objectively, should the line be drawn?
As I keep saying and people keep ignoring, this ban exists JUST to close a loophole 'head shops' were exploiting to flog shite like Black Mamba over the counter. Nobody's going to raid anyone's house over a Nos cannister.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399887]As I said, as someone living in the UK, I've seen many of these sorts of bans etc put in place before. They're only put in place to stop shops selling them; they sound much more severe than they actually are. They're not going to go out onto the streets and search everybody.
Bans like this stop shops profiting off misery. Which is only a good thing.[/QUOTE]
But that could be done a hundred million times better by legalizing and regulating substances that are known as safe enough for consumption, and prohibiting sale of those that aren't.
That'd be the end of the day and it'd work just fine.
[QUOTE=geel9;50399910]Well I'm glad we have you to determine the line. Here I was thinking people should be allowed to determine what to do with their own bodies. Thankfully, you've shown me the light.
For the sake of clarity -- where, objectively, should the line be drawn?[/QUOTE]
For the record, I'm for Weed being legal. But there IS A line. Do you really think something like Heroin should be readily available?
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399918]For the record, I'm for Weed being legal. But there IS A line. Do you really think something like Heroin should be readily available?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but heavily discouraged and with systems in place to help people facing addiction.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399918]For the record, I'm for Weed being legal. But there IS A line. Do you really think something like Heroin should be readily available?[/QUOTE]
I do. I don't believe that suicide should be illegal, and I don't believe that making poor self-decisions should be illegal. However, I do believe that all substances sold should have ample educational material on-package listing both the positives and negatives of continued use of the substance.
I also believe that money should be put into education regarding substance abuse and support for those facing it.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399850]ok fam so just ignore the problem and let the sale of these poisons continue? just because weed should be legal? lmao[/QUOTE]
it's not ignoring the problem it's solving it in the most lazy heavy handed way possible.
what about all the people addicted to these 'poisons' now? now they are criminals, and they can no longer get what they need legally. and guess what happens now? the dealer selling this shit on the side (which they do I can tell you that for free) doesn't give a flying fuck what his powders or plants are cut with. I would not be at all surprised if 2016 sees an increase in deaths related to 'legal highs'.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50399905][url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35826369[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-36393222[/url]
You can still use poppers.[/QUOTE]
Aren't poppers damaging to the body though?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50400674]Aren't poppers damaging to the body though?[/QUOTE]
In which way?
Always the same old bullshit with Tobacco and Alcohol remaining legal because the fucks who made the bill were drinkers and smokers themselves. (Or actually, the bill wouldn't have passed otherwise because of these substances being too popular)
If you want to ban drugs at least go all the way with it.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50400674]Aren't poppers damaging to the body though?[/QUOTE]
They're fine for most people in moderation.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399913]As I keep saying and people keep ignoring, this ban exists JUST to close a loophole 'head shops' were exploiting to flog shite like Black Mamba over the counter. Nobody's going to raid anyone's house over a Nos cannister.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. You dont close a loophole by saying "no more getting high on anything". You fix a loophole by making a single drug or class of drugs illegal. It wouldnt have been hard to only illegalize synthetic cannabinoids or whatever it is
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50399918]For the record, I'm for Weed being legal. But there IS A line. Do you really think something like Heroin should be readily available?[/QUOTE]
"heroin" is readily available in every hospital in great britain
just packaged differently and for different usage
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