• Alien Bacteria Life Discovered οn Meteorite
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[QUOTE=MasterG;28456872]The thing I never understand with sceptics about alien life is that most of them say "The odds of life happening are so small, it's just never going to happen anywhere but Earth" They don't seem to understand that if there's a 1 in a trillion chance of something happening, and there are TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of stars in our galaxy alone, that's actually a pretty decent chance.[/QUOTE] But the chances are so incredibly low. Someone once did a maths calculation on the odds, and it came up that the odds of other life was impossible. Of course, math calculations aren't always correct. As seen in (hopefully) in this case here.
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;28456665]I know, I know. But still, imagine all the athiest teenages who got kicked out of their homes because their parents didnt like the fact that their son was athiest. Now, if this turns out to be true, facts will be in the athiest son's favour, so he can return home and mock his parents, and they can appologise to him for kicking him out. Or somthing like that.[/QUOTE] ^ atheist teenager who got kicked out of his home. Hemad
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;28456665]I know, I know. But still, imagine all the athiest teenages who got kicked out of their homes because their parents didnt like the fact that their son was athiest. Now, if this turns out to be true, facts will be in the athiest son's favour, so he can return home and mock his parents, and they can appologise to him for kicking him out. Or somthing like that.[/QUOTE] It doesn't disprove religion. Perhaps the deity/deities created life elsewhere as well? Christianity has TWO SEPARATE, CONTRADICTORY creation stories in the book of Genesis, and it's still going strong.
[quote]“It’s аn extraordinary claim, аnԁ thus I’ll need extraordinary evidence,” Marais ѕаіԁ.[/quote] This guy beat me to it.
They've found way more interesting things in meteors. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIXnhjSnM8[/media]
[QUOTE]“If someone саn ехрƖаіn hοw іt іѕ possible tο hаνе a biological remain thаt hаѕ nο nitrogen, οr nitrogen below thе detect ability limits thаt I hаνе, іn a time period аѕ short аѕ 150 years, thеn I wουƖԁ bе very interested іn hearing thаt.” “I’ve talked wіth many scientists аbουt thіѕ аnԁ nο one hаѕ bееn аbƖе tο ехрƖаіn,” hе ѕаіԁ.[/QUOTE] This is very similar to the way pseudo-scientists defend their beliefs. It's often worded as a challenge followed by "nobody has been able to explain to me how I might be wrong" in some form. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] I'd be a [i]little[/i] skeptical, is all.
We heard the exact same from mars. And one of mars's moons(name escapes me) is frozen on the outside. it could have aquatic alien life underneath the ice.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;28456945]But the chances are so incredibly low. Someone once did a maths calculation on the odds, and it came up that the odds of other life was impossible. Of course, math calculations aren't always correct. As seen in (hopefully) in this case here.[/QUOTE] Show me this math calculation. besides other math calculations made it to around trillions of other planets with life.
I'm pretty sure it's fake. [url]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/03/did_scientists_discover_bacter.php[/url]
I think it's safer to wait for the statements from 100 experts and 5000 scientists that are looking at his papers right now than from some blog.
He's an educated biologist and skeptic. I think he comes with some pretty good points
[QUOTE=T.F.W.O.;28440824][img_thumb]http://www.merchantcafe.com/images/Smiley-face-evolution.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] ugh thats a shitty photoshop, was that the real picture used for the movie?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28463364]He's an educated biologist and skeptic. I think he comes with some pretty good points[/QUOTE] He does and I'm aware that he's a professor. Didn't really like the style he wrote it in though. But as I said, we'll only be sure after they finish examine this NASA guy's stuff.
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;28456665]I know, I know. But still, imagine all the athiest teenages who got kicked out of their homes because their parents didnt like the fact that their son was athiest. Now, if this turns out to be true, facts will be in the athiest son's favour, so he can return home and mock his parents, and they can appologise to him for kicking him out. Or somthing like that.[/QUOTE] If someone is such a massive tardfuck that they'll kick their own kid out of the house because of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, do you really think that rational thinking and empirical evidence are going to change their mind?
Pictures here [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife[/url]
[QUOTE=Contag;28452036]NASA is pretty sure that extraterrestrial fossils have already come to Earth on two other meteorites, it's just a difficult idea for many people to grasp.[/QUOTE] And there are plenty of people too who don't want to even attempt to grasp it, because it's such a mind-boggling prospect, and, as well for some, because of their own preconceived biases. As far as these bacteria go, it's not the first time we've discovered them fossilized inside meteor fragments, as you and plenty of others have already pointed out in this thread. But, honestly, I think it's going to take a fully-developed alien organism recovered from another planet to finally shut the skeptics up. As much as I approve of constructive criticism and a healthy dose of skepticism, there comes a point in time when you need to give up and concede that your opponents have a point- not based off one article of evidence alone, but off of years and years worth of data, research, calculation, and material proof gathering. I really we don't get a lot of people from the scientific community going the way of Fred Hoyle on this one. [editline]6th March 2011[/editline] Science has its own unique brand of politics, that much is for certain. And by the way many skeptics from it word their papers of criticism, I'm convinced they could, if necessary, double as decent lawyers if they ever had to.:v:
[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;28463929]Pictures here [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/nasascientistfindsevidenceofalienlife[/url][/QUOTE] Eh, no. That first one is an earthling. The [url=http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html]paper[/url] contains images.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;28461900]I'm pretty sure it's fake. [url]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/03/did_scientists_discover_bacter.php[/url][/QUOTE] Everyone is trolled by FOX, lol
God damnit. I got all worked up over nothing.
1. You need to prove that the rock isn't from Earth. 2. You need to prove that the markings are actual fossils of life. 3. You need to prove that these fossils are not results of terrestrial contamination. Getting conclusive proof for all of these points is next to impossible. That's why findings like these are not such a "big deal" as people may think. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALH84001"]Allan Hills 84001[/url], anyone? Bacteriafossils like these are interesting, but what we want to find is actual living life. Because even if we managed to fully prove that we've found et-fossils, then that will just be proof that there has, at some point in time, existed et-life. This does not answer the fundamental question "are we alone?". When (if) we find actual living extra terrestrial life, then [I]that[/I] will be the most important discovery in our mankind, next to finding intelligent life. [QUOTE=MasterG;28456872]...there are TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of stars in our galaxy alone.[/QUOTE] Ehhh.. not by a long shot. [QUOTE=Test Card F;28461033]We heard the exact same from mars. And one of mars's moons(name escapes me) is frozen on the outside. it could have aquatic alien life underneath the ice.[/QUOTE] Ah, you must be thinking of Europa, a moon of Jupiter. The moons of Mars are no real candidates for et-life, but Mars itself is: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-terrestrial_life#Possible_extraterrestrial_life_in_the_Solar_System[/url]
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;28455926]What?[/QUOTE] What what, exactly? Or is it too much for your brain to realize there [b]could[/b] be other as advanced as human beings somewhere in the universe, and when we stumble across them, things [b]will[/b] get interesting. But if it turns out that just a bunch of bacteria is advanced as it can get outside of our planet, then it's not so interesting.. :v: I'm fine either way
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