Election may be a turning point for legal marijuana - Polidicks

Anyone who drives impaired is being an asshole and putting lives at risk.

Damn... I'll probably have to wait for a federal ban lift before any of the southern states, particularly Tennessee (me), decide to want to legalize in any fashion. Florida doesn't count. Except for spring break :v:

postal ya dawg

[QUOTE=phygon;51255152]No. The two are absolutely not comparable, the 21+ laws are there because alcohol is deadly poisonous if you drink too much.[/QUOTE] The 21+ laws are there so idiot teens don't kill themselves driving and that states get their federal highway money. That's it. Nothing is compelling a state to keep its 21+ rule other than federal money for roads.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51256672]The 21+ laws are there so idiot teens don't kill themselves driving and that states get their federal highway money. That's it. Nothing is compelling a state to keep its 21+ rule other than federal money for roads.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the forces behind why the laws exist, not the reasons that they're still in place.

[QUOTE=phygon;51256752]I'm talking about the forces behind why the laws exist, not the reasons that they're still in place.[/QUOTE] Motor vehicle fatalities were the driving force behind the National Minimum Drinking Age Act in the first place. Hell, "Mother's Against Drunk Driving" is infamous for helping get it passed. That's why the penalty is reduced federal highway funding.

Too bad Missouri didnt get on the ballot, it was so close.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51255165]I smoke weed daily and I think that if you smoke a joint and then get behind the wheel of a car straight afterwards you're being criminally irresponsible. Agree or disagree? If you agree, then you should agree with me that it should be regulated more like alcohol than like tobacco; nobody gets arrested for getting into a car after lighting up a cigarette unless they lit their cig around an explosion hazard or something. If you disagree I'd be interested in hearing why.[/QUOTE] You know, in all honesty I want to fight this notion because I do smoke daily and I drive perfectly fine, I've never had a single accident and my ability to drive a vehicle is not impaired in the slightest. But I'm an individual and cannabis can affect people differently. I'd love to see a large group study, say 1,000+ people, into the effects of cannabis use on driving. Is it really as much of a threat as you make it out to be? Or is it just as harmless as smoking tobacco while driving? Plus, I'd like to see the effects of people with tolerance to cannabis opposed to those who haven't smoked before, because I'd wager the new time smokers would be less competent drivers.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51256851]Too bad Missouri didnt get on the ballot, it was so close.[/QUOTE] It's bullshit that it isn't. People here have been trying really fucking hard ever since Colorado and Washington legalized to get it on the ballot and it never does. Usually there's some bullshit reason they pull from their asses.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51255180]smoke weed every day and brain fine. dont know what talking about[/QUOTE] I hear this like "i drink whiskey everyday, nothing wrong about it."

The commercials against legalization over here in MA are outdated. The whole mother coming to a shopping plaza and being in absolute shame and humiliation at her failure as a parent as she sees her adult son leaving a dispensary. Very suburban. And yet they'll probably work.

Defending a ban is really awkward when it's already legal for recreation in a few states.

are people really trying to justify driving while high i have done that shit and trust me it is not something you should do, even if you think you're gonna be fine

I'm hoping since Pence won't be coming back we can get weed going here. Even fucking Holcomb is neutral with weed.

[QUOTE=Splarg!;51257080]Defending a ban is really awkward when it's already legal for recreation in a few states.[/QUOTE] Especially when their arguments against it (fear of increased crime being one) have been debunked in those areas. It's almost like they admit that their state is full of crappy people that can't be trusted with The Devil's Lettuce. :/

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51256852]You know, in all honesty I want to fight this notion because I do smoke daily and I drive perfectly fine, I've never had a single accident and my ability to drive a vehicle is not impaired in the slightest. But I'm an individual and cannabis can affect people differently. I'd love to see a large group study, say 1,000+ people, into the effects of cannabis use on driving. Is it really as much of a threat as you make it out to be? Or is it just as harmless as smoking tobacco while driving? Plus, I'd like to see the effects of people with tolerance to cannabis opposed to those who haven't smoked before, because I'd wager the new time smokers would be less competent drivers.[/QUOTE] Stop getting high and driving, thats fucking retarded.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;51258242]i hope our politicians wake up after the us legalises it.[/QUOTE] that'll be the day isn't sweden like the worst place in the universe to do weed

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51258075]Stop getting high and driving, thats fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] Stop putting the same mentality as drinking behind smoking weed. They're both intoxicants but affect people differently. Plus, I said I wanted to see an actual, peer reviewed study into it's effects on driving, because you know, there's never been one done as far as I know and all this "you're a danger while driving" is just as anecdotal as me saying I'm fine while driving high. So what's wrong with wanting the effects studied? I don't want anecdotal evidence on either side. I want to see facts rather than what we're having now, an argument over things we can't prove because the environment to try and do anything cannabis related requires so much red tape and bureaucracy that instead of actually finding out the effects of cannabis while driving, we just attribute it to being like alcohol and call it closed.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51258379]Stop putting the same mentality as drinking behind smoking weed. They're both intoxicants but affect people differently. Plus, I said I wanted to see an actual, peer reviewed study into it's effects on driving, because you know, there's never been one done as far as I know and all this "you're a danger while driving" is just as anecdotal as me saying I'm fine while driving high. So what's wrong with wanting the effects studied? I don't want anecdotal evidence on either side. I want to see facts rather than what we're having now, an argument over things we can't prove because the environment to try and do anything cannabis related requires so much red tape and bureaucracy that instead of actually finding out the effects of cannabis while driving, we just attribute it to being like alcohol and call it closed.[/QUOTE] Does cannabis alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state put you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51258379]Stop putting the same mentality as drinking behind smoking weed. They're both intoxicants but affect people differently.[/QUOTE] Would you have been able to drive the first time you were high? If yes, please do describe how weed does affects you - it's not that I won't believe you, but I am skeptical, and really interested to know how different it is for you: personally I wouldn't trust myself with a fucking bike while high. If not, doesn't it stand to reason that you've simply acclimated to the high and have gotten used to it? Surely, the effect that made you unable to drive then would still be there, just to a lesser degree? If there hadn't already been studies and laws regarding drinking and driving, I guarantee you there would be someone making the exact same argument as you. Of course, you have the [I]"weed doesn't affect reaction time, alcohol does"[/I] thing on your side, but surely weed affects [I]something[/I], and someone driving drunk might say [I]"yes, but it makes me drive slower, and makes me calm so I drive just fine drunk"[/I] or something to that effect. A study would be great, but until we have that I do think it's sensible to discuss it.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51258429]Does cannabis alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state out you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact.[/QUOTE] What is so wrong with wanting studies into the matter? That's what I'm trying to get at, and you guys keep droning on the fact I have smoked before driving like I'm going to drive my car into your grandmothers or something. I get it, I understand it well, that cannabis can affect a persons cognitive abilities, did I ever deny that? All I've been saying, is I'd like to see actual evidence to it's effects on driving instead of being instantly stigmatized because I'm for something your against.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51258470]What is so wrong with wanting studies into the matter? That's what I'm trying to get at, and you guys keep droning on the fact I have smoked before driving like I'm going to drive my car into your grandmothers or something. I get it, I understand it well, that cannabis can affect a persons cognitive abilities, did I ever deny that? All I've been saying, is I'd like to see actual evidence to it's effects on driving instead of being instantly stigmatized because I'm for something your against.[/QUOTE] We want studies too, but there's nothing wrong with telling you it's a bad idea when [QUOTE]Does cannabis alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state out you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact.[/QUOTE] You should not be "for" driving under influence when you "get it" that it alters your cognitive abilities. You have to either dispute the arguments or admit that you're a comparatively unsafe driver when you're high, we know you want studies but it's not hard to logically deduce that it must harm your abilities to drive, it's just the extent to which it does so that's uncertain.

People who haven't driven high before shouldn't speak about impairment bullshit. Until you have experienced it first hand, you have no way of knowing how you will react. [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51258075]Stop getting high and driving, thats fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] No it's not, shittalking people who do is retarded though.

Hope Massachusetts votes Yes cause that's pretty close to me and means hopefully New York will follow and even if not probably gonna be cheaper bud.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51258429]Does cannabis alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state out you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact.[/QUOTE] Does caffeine alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state put you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact. There are more factors at play here and it is completely disingenuous to make such a blanket statement.

[QUOTE=J Paul;51258770]Does caffeine alter your mind? Yes. Fact. Does driving under an altered mental state put you at more risk than a sober driver? Yes. Fact. There are more factors at play here and it is completely disingenuous to make such a blanket statement.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the validity of said statement at all. Driving with AMS puts you at greater risk than not.

The disingenuous part is to imply that "altered" always means "impaired" when it certainly does not. [editline]25th October 2016[/editline] Do you genuinely consider yourself impaired after downing a soda, coffee, or tea which is full of substances which are assuredly mind altering to varying degrees?

[QUOTE=J Paul;51258791]The disingenuous part is to imply that "altered" always means "impaired" when it certainly does not.[/QUOTE] Are you implying that being high [I]enhances[/I] your ability to drive? I feel like the chances that the altered state is [I]exactly as safe[/I] as being sober must be quite low, so it must be either an impairment or an enhancement, right?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51255165]I smoke weed daily and I think that if you smoke a joint and then get behind the wheel of a car straight afterwards you're being criminally irresponsible. Agree or disagree? If you agree, then you should agree with me that it should be regulated more like alcohol than like tobacco; nobody gets arrested for getting into a car after lighting up a cigarette unless they lit their cig around an explosion hazard or something. If you disagree I'd be interested in hearing why.[/QUOTE] I agree with you 100%, but if you told me you drank alcohol every day I would look at you funny. How much do you drink? How much do you smoke? Moderation, buddy.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51258820]Are you implying that being high [I]enhances[/I] your ability to drive? I feel like the chances that the altered state is [I]exactly as safe[/I] as being sober must be quite low, so it must be either an impairment or an enhancement, right?[/QUOTE] The chances of it being exactly as safe are actually more likely, because habitual substance users are well-practiced and any driver will tell you that security behind the wheel is simply a matter of being comfortable, aware, and practiced. If anything, the person who has more hours on the road high than not high might actually drive in a more well-rehearsed fashion when high because that's the way they practiced it. It's a bad habit when learning an instrument because if you're always drunk or high when you play or perform it can become so normal that it's a safety net and when you're sober you are out of your comfort zone. I used the caffeine example though as an example where an altered mental state may actually be more focused aware and reactive than a sober mental state. Or at the very least, of you hadn't had your coffee that morning, you'd be a grumpy Gus and probably at more risk to run yourself off the road anyway, because of the interrupted routine. I think habits are more important than anything when developing a skill like driving. I'm not advocating smoking behind the wheel nor am I saying that it will make you a better driver, I'm saying that I think sober vs not sober is really a matter of how practiced you are at either, and thus the answer to this question is not as simple as it is laid out to be here; an idiot who wastes his life away high all the time might actually drive like a fucking weirdo when he's sober.