Netanyahu: Israel's government will fall if settlement freeze continues - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Warhol;23716057]First of all, the source is horrendous. Even though you use it pretty much all the time, which is unsurprising. Second of all, you're fucking illiterate[/QUOTE] What's bad with Haaretz? Simply because it's Israeli doesn't mean it's biased. Second, as you can see from the sentence you brought yourself, Abbas is the one who isn't open and is making demands for the peace talks. The problem for Netanyahu is that if he'll approve settlement freeze without an agreed and signed peace treaty from Abbas, he will commit a political suicide. If he can get a peace treaty for it, no one will drop out of the coalition (or if they will, left-wing parties will fill their place).

So peace is a no-go because Israeli politicians are fuckwits? how is Abbas at fault here?

[QUOTE=Warhol;23720659]So peace is a no-go because Israeli politicians are fuckwits? how is Abbas at fault here?[/QUOTE] Abbas insists on the right of return.

[QUOTE=BagMinge101;23706449]We replace them with a sentient AI. what could go wrong[/QUOTE] HATE, LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE /caps

[QUOTE=starpluck;23706651]Nah, I think toppling the Israeli regime is better. The after effects would be better as well, no racism, discrimination and more safety. [/QUOTE] Probably not for the Israelis.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23720659]So peace is a no-go because Israeli politicians are fuckwits? how is Abbas at fault here?[/QUOTE] Because he's not agreeing with direct peace talks where the Israeli politicians can make some real concessions without backlash?

[QUOTE=starpluck;23710524]*Game Theory quote*[/QUOTE] By the way, the Game Theory idea here is wrong. In negotiations like these, where both sides have something to win but nothing to lose, then each side should get exactly 50% of the objective, unless it can't be split into exactly half and half, where in this case it will split according to how much time both sides have. Where the more time to negotiate they have, the closer the splittings are to 50/50. Also, in this case, Netanyahu is acting irrationally, and the Game Theory only deals with rational negotiations.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23727971]By the way, the Game Theory idea here is wrong. In negotiations like these, where both sides have something to win but nothing to lose, then each side should get exactly 50% of the objective, unless it can't be split into exactly half and half, where in this case it will split according to how much time both sides have. Where the more time to negotiate they have, the closer the splittings are to 50/50. Also, in this case, Netanyahu is acting irrationally, and the Game Theory only deals with rational negotiations.[/QUOTE] No. It's called blackmailer paradox.

How could he blackmail him if he's got nothing to lose? I've read the same thing about two kids having to share a cake, if one of them asks for too much, the other needs to ask for a more equal distribution until it reaches 50-50 or 2/3-1/3 or 3/5- 2/5 and so on. If the stubborn one just won't budge then he's irrational and there's no sense negotiating with him, both won't get the "cake".

Yeah but the cake one implies there is a authority to force an equal distribution, if you just left the two kids the chances are they would start fighting over it. I would have with my big brother.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23728166]How could he blackmail him if he's got nothing to lose? I've read the same thing about two kids having to share a cake, if one of them asks for too much, the other needs to ask for a more equal distribution until it reaches 50-50 or 2/3-1/3 or 3/5- 2/5 and so on. If the stubborn one just won't budge then he's irrational and there's no sense negotiating with him, both won't get the "cake".[/QUOTE] It doesn't mean blackmail - blackmail. That's what's called, what I pasted.

It was two kids alone, but considering they knew about the game theory, they were intelligent kids. Starpluck, if Abbas has nothing to lose except for what he has to gain, it's not called blackmail.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23728708]It was two kids alone, but considering they knew about the game theory, they were intelligent kids. Starpluck, if Abbas has nothing to lose except for what he has to gain, it's not called blackmail.[/QUOTE] Look at me, does it seriously look like I give a shit? No seriously, does it? It's just the name of the term, it's not actually Blackmailer, then, paradox. It's a name. Go complain to Robert Aumann if you still have any concerns.

I dont get it, you people really see Israel as the big mean bully and Palestine as the sad little man who can't stand up for himself? Yeah I mean fuck all those dead Israeli civilians right? Only 3000 Israelis died while around 10,000 Palestinians died. So obviously those 3000 people should just be ignored :downs: Dont get me wrong, I dislike Israel's actions too but to be honest they're not entirely at fault here. And rate me dumbs and disagrees, but this quote is true. [quote]“If the Arabs laid down their arms, there would be no more war. If the Israelis laid down their arms, there would be no more Israel.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23728708]It was two kids alone, but considering they knew about the game theory, they were intelligent kids. Starpluck, if Abbas has nothing to lose except for what he has to gain, it's not called blackmail.[/QUOTE] nothing to lose? uh, like the lives of the fucking people in the country he RUNS? iunno, i think defence is something to go by. [editline]08:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23725565]Because he's not agreeing with direct peace talks where the Israeli politicians can make some real concessions without backlash?[/QUOTE] The Israelis aren't the ones on the receiving end.

[quote] uh, like the lives of the fucking people in the country he RUNS?[/quote] He doesn't run a country.

He's the figurehead, and helps in relations*

[QUOTE=Warhol;23742018]nothing to lose? uh, like the lives of the fucking people in the country he RUNS? iunno, i think defence is something to go by.[/QUOTE] Read the passage, it's about 100,000 dollars.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career.[/QUOTE] I lol'd.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23747908]Read the passage, it's about 100,000 dollars.[/QUOTE] sense, burnemdown, make sense.

[QUOTE=BagMinge101;23706449]We replace them with a sentient AI. what could go wrong[/QUOTE] Shepard Commander.......

[QUOTE=Warhol;23748294]sense, burnemdown, make sense.[/QUOTE] Well obviously if the passage was about the real negotiations Netanyahu has to make with Abbas it would've been completely different.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23704993]It's funny how you make fools of yourselves by talking about stuff you really don't understand. I've told you already that for Netanyahu to continue the settlement freeze is political suicide which will lead to an immediate end to his political career. Let me try to explain so maybe next time you won't make such fools of yourselves: Israel's political system is a multiparty system where each citizen must vote to one party, then after all votes are calculated, seats in the Knesset are assigned to each party based on the percentage of votes they received, so if one party got 10% of the votes, usually they'll get 10% of the total seats in the Knesset, which is 12/120. In order to form a government, a party must band together with other parties to have at least of 61 seats. The current coalition is: The Likud party leading with 27 seats, the Yisrael Beitenu party behind it with 15 seats, the Labor party with 13 seats, the Shas party with 11 seats, and the Jewish Home party with 3 seats, which brings us to a total of 69 seats. At any time one of these parties can resign from the coalition, which would bring the number to below the necessary 61 (except for the Jewish Home party which won't make much of a difference). This could happen because of disagreements with the government's policies or decisions, which basically means that Netanyahu has to appease the parties in his coalition if he wants to stay PM. Continuing the settlement freeze will give the Yisrael Beitenu no choice but to resign from the coalition, since they're a far-right party and basically all the settlers vote to it and they rely on them for their political strength. Not protesting against the freeze is for them also a political suicide, and against their agenda (since they're all racist bigots). This system gives the minority more power than it's supposed to have, which means less political stability (it's not so common for a PM to stay in office for the 4 years he's given) but more representation (since the minorities have more power to express their views and needs).[/QUOTE] Maybe they should commit suicide? Political, or otherwise...

i'm eager for the day that no governments will be no longer required

[QUOTE=HeadshotDCS;23765550]Maybe they should commit suicide? Political, or otherwise...[/QUOTE] Well if they'll make a political suicide in order to make a final peace deal with Abbas, they will quickly be removed from their job and they won't be able to make the deal.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23767356]Well if they'll make a political suicide in order to make a final peace deal with Abbas, they will quickly be removed from their job and they won't be able to make the deal.[/QUOTE] This is the stupidity of the Israeli government then.

[QUOTE=Warhol;23770584]This is the stupidity of the Israeli government then.[/QUOTE] How is it stupid? If the government is doing what the people don't want, there will be re-election.

So they sacrifice peace... for their political image and jobs. that's not stupid?

[QUOTE=Warhol;23775001]So they sacrifice peace... for their political image and jobs. that's not stupid?[/QUOTE] You just don't get it do you? They can't make peace, they'll lose their job way faster than the deal can be signed, and then they won't be in a position to sign the deal. Abbas has to try direct peace talks if he wants the Israeli government to have any chance of agreeing. Although, if he makes a "generous peace offer" indirectly as he allegedly did, the Israeli government might also be able to accept it without backlash.

Israel has no problem doing things behind closed doors, why not just do this behind those same doors? Then come out saying that you've agreed to the terms and signed the deals. This seems like the best thing to do for the country, even if it involves being deceitful about it.