[QUOTE=Mabus;22111436][IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/23m7tjd.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Exactly this.
Between Iran and Korea, there are some really exciting wars shaping up.
Aren't there like 12 carrier groups?
Sending 4 out at once... That's a lot of ships.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;22102090]When the USA invades Iran they will be facing a almost 12 million reserve force that are mostly suicide battalions.[/QUOTE]
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Like so?
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;22096615]Oh, wonderful. Absolutely smashing.
All I need to do is to flip a coin as to which hellhole I'll be going to first: Iran, or North Korea.[/QUOTE]
If you go to North Korea, by the way, make sure to buy a burger from one of the local joints. They're seriously amazing- probably because the chefs get severely punished if a customer complains about their food.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;22114411]They aren't REALLY sending 4 at once, that'd be a logistics nightmare. Their sending a carrier task force, which usually consists of a carrier, some destroyers, a few subs, and supporting frigates.[/QUOTE]
Oh I know, I'm just saying.
[QUOTE=Killoch0;22111746]Exactly this.
Between Iran and Korea, there are some really exciting wars shaping up.[/QUOTE]
please get drafted and fight in one of these wars if they do happen
tell me how exciting it is when you get back
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22115017]please get drafted and fight in one of these wars if they do happen
tell me how exciting it is when you get back[/QUOTE]
Drafts don't happen any more, there's a lot of reserves
At least if invaded Korea we would be doing some good.
Iran, not so much.
[QUOTE=Superwafflez;22096583]It's just to send them a clear message.
They know the consequences of pissing the world off, and this is a little reminder of how quickly those consequences could be put into effect if need be.[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck off. The world police think they own the god damn Earth and everything on it.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;22115775]Oh fuck off. The world police think they own the god damn Earth and everything on it.[/QUOTE]
ok bro let's let them break dozens of nuclear peace treaties and initiate MAD
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;22115775]Oh fuck off. The world police think they own the god damn Earth and everything on it.[/QUOTE]
This "world police" bullshit has to stop. We are allied with Israel. Iran has very clearly threatened to wipe Israel off the map. They are enriching uranium, they are building rockets capable of hauling a nuclear payload. It is very obvious that diplomatic tactics have failed, so the next step is to intimidate them. I don't want another war as much as anyone else here, and this intimidation could prove to prevent one.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;22115757]At least if invaded Korea we would be doing some good.
Iran, not so much.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Quo Vadi;22115686]Drafts don't happen any more, there's a lot of reserves[/QUOTE]A draft hasn't happened in the US because we haven't had a conflict where we needed to muster a million plus troops to fight the enemy since Vietnam.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;22110300]First off, this '12 Million reserve force' are just a bunch of thugs in the Basij with maybe 1 out of 50 actually having access to a gun.
Meanwhile Suicide Battalions? Are you fucking kidding me, this just shows how ignorant you are, Suicide attacks are completely unacceptable in Persian Culture with only the Arabs in the south using that tactic, and they want to secede from Iran so they aren't going to be fighting American troops.[/QUOTE]
Back in the 80s they used suicide battalions and the Arabs might prioritise when they realise there not going to get independence with current regime let alone a American backed one.
:smith: Ugh, I don't really support obama but the one thing I did support about him was his "Get our troops out of there" proposal. Seems like that flew out the window, ironic that he also got a nobel peace prize with it.
Iran`s army isn`t the kind of enemy from the blackhawk series. They`re more like something between the guys you see in Serbian/kosovo war movies and an actual modern army.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;22132602]Back in the 80s they used suicide battalions and the Arabs might prioritise when they realise there not going to get independence with current regime let alone a American backed one.[/QUOTE]
The Basij "suicide tactics" consisted of human wave attacks which yielded extremely high casualty rates and where for the most part ineffective. They where even used to detonate mine fields ahead of the main military force. Tactics that did poorly against Iraq are not going to stand well against a military force that dismantled Iraqs government and military in less than two months.
I expect that if a conflict does happen it will be a bit more like traditional warfare, something the US's army excells at. They sucked at stamping out guerilla movements in vietnam/iraq. Iran is pretty rich for a middle eastern country though, they have a ton of oil and a fairly strong military.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;22133524]I expect that if a conflict does happen it will be a bit more like traditional warfare, something the US's army excells at. They sucked at stamping out guerilla movements in vietnam/iraq. Iran is pretty rich for a middle eastern country though, they have a ton of oil and a fairly strong military.[/QUOTE]
No, the US Army excels at cleaning up what the USAF couldn't destroy by air power.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22133652]No, the US Army excels at cleaning up what the USAF couldn't destroy by air power.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, they rely heavily on support from air and ordinance. Vietnam was a good example of what happens when that stuff does not work. If The Americans were to attack Iran they probably would overwhelm Iranian forces but would suffer horrendous casualty's. After all Iran has plenty of hardware and allies everywhere in the middle east and north Africa.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;22133524]I expect that if a conflict does happen it will be a bit more like traditional warfare, something the US's army excells at. They sucked at stamping out guerilla movements in vietnam/iraq. Iran is pretty rich for a middle eastern country though, they have a ton of oil and a fairly strong military.[/QUOTE]
There are always guerrilla movements, whether or not it's a "conventional war". There has never been a war where the people were just like "oh, our army got defeated lets do whatever they say".
Iran and North Korea would be worse, because they would probably have [B]organized insurgencies[/B] planned, as opposed to the hit-n-run/suicide un-organized insurgency attacks of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Thats why it's impossible to fully subdue a occupied country today, resistance movements.
[QUOTE=Mabus;22133788]Pretty much this, they rely heavily on support from air and ordinance. Vietnam was a good example of what happens when that stuff does not work. If The Americans were to attack Iran they probably would overwhelm Iranian forces but would suffer horrendous casualty's. After all Iran has plenty of hardware and allies everywhere in the middle east and north Africa.[/QUOTE]
Horrendous casualtys? Im not at all trying to imply an invasion of Iran would be a cake walk at all but pre 2003 Iraq was one of the dominate militarys in the region and it only took less than 2 months for the entire obliteration of its military by Coalition Forces. And many battles during the Iraq invasion of 2003 were fought without a heavy presence of air support and where tremendous U.S victorys.
The US needs to take down Iran`s official army first before the planned insurgencies can fully kick in. Wich won`t be a piece of cake at itself.
[QUOTE=cheezey;22134101]The US needs to take down Iran`s official army first before the planned insurgencies can fully kick in. Wich won`t be a piece of cake at itself.[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;22134023]Horrendous casualtys? Im not at all trying to imply an invasion of Iran would be a cake walk at all but pre 2003 Iraq was one of the dominate militarys in the region and it only took less than 2 months for the entire obliteration of its military by Coalition Forces. And many battles during the Iraq invasion of 2003 were fought without a heavy presence of air support and where tremendous U.S victorys.[/QUOTE]
You don't think the Iranian military knows about the capability of US forces enough to counter them? Despite what typical Westerners may say otherwise, Iran is not a pushover force. Don't forget that Iraq's military suffered from the many reasons why [url=http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars]Arabs lose wars[/url].
[QUOTE=Tac Error;22134158]You don't think the Iranian military knows about the capability of US forces enough to counter them? Despite what typical Westerners may say otherwise, Iran is not a pushover force. Don't forget that Iraq's military suffered from the many reasons why [URL="http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars"]Arabs lose wars[/URL].[/QUOTE]
I don't think Iran's military has the ability to effectively counter US forces. Considering Iran is a Arabian country I do not see what you are trying to prove with that article.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;22134250] Iran can be considered more of a Arabian country than Iraq ever was as well.[/QUOTE]
:foxnews: oh dear.
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