US Begins Massive Military Build Up Around Iran, Sending Up To 4 New Carrier Groups In Reg - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mabus;22133788]Pretty much this, they rely heavily on support from air and ordinance. Vietnam was a good example of what happens when that stuff does not work. If The Americans were to attack Iran they probably would overwhelm Iranian forces but would suffer horrendous casualty's. After all Iran has plenty of hardware and allies everywhere in the middle east and north Africa.[/QUOTE] I rated you 'agree' on impulse, but then realised that it was a mistake. The only reason why Vietnam was such a failure was because US forces were so restricted. Armoured combat was limited (which the US normally excels at), infantry combat favoured the enemy (for obvious reasons) - the only area they could excel in was in the air. US (and other NATO forces, for that matter) are perfectly capable of conducting ground warfare under the right conditions. Take, for example, the Battle of 73 Eastings. Yes, Iran may be superior to Iraq, but you are making a grave mistake if you think that NATO forces would suffer in conventional warfare against them.

[QUOTE=Mabus;22134301]:foxnews: oh dear.[/QUOTE] What? Is Iran not a Arabian country?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;22134341]What? Is Iran not a Arabian country?[/QUOTE] Buddy, Iran is a [i]Persian[/i] country.

[QUOTE] you are making a grave mistake if you think that NATO forces would suffer in conventional warfare against them.[/QUOTE] Whats with this massive underestimation of OPFOR strength? Of course NATO (America) would take casualty's they are invading a well armed and prepared force. Even if they have air superiority and better hardware they still have a difficult fight on their hands.

[QUOTE=Mabus;22134419]Whats with this massive underestimation of OPFOR strength? Of course NATO (America) would take casualty's they are invading a well armed and prepared force. Even if they have air superiority and better hardware they still have a difficult fight on their hands.[/QUOTE] The fall of the Soviet Union and the disappointing show of obsolete Soviet export weapons had a big part in this perception.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;22134407]Buddy, Iran is a [I]Persian[/I] country.[/QUOTE] Oh shiz, you are correct sir. The reasons in that list though can still be applied to Iran more so than many countrys.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;22134158]You don't think the Iranian military knows about the capability of US forces enough to counter them? Despite what typical Westerners may say otherwise, Iran is not a pushover force. Don't forget that Iraq's military suffered from the many reasons why [url=http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars]Arabs lose wars[/url].[/QUOTE] Can't believe I actually read that whole article. Makes a good point though.

"Yay, let's go in and fuck another innocent country up. We Americans are such good people!" Not only that, but Iran is allied with Russia, who I don't think will take lightly a spontaneous invasion by hordes of American troops into Iran. [editline]08:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mabus;22133788]Pretty much this, they rely heavily on support from air and ordinance. Vietnam was a good example of what happens when that stuff does not work. If The Americans were to attack Iran they probably would overwhelm Iranian forces but would suffer horrendous casualty's. After all Iran has plenty of hardware and allies everywhere in the middle east and north Africa.[/QUOTE] This. The US army is good, yes, but they aren't the best-trained forces in the world, and since their tactics rely heavily on air support at a moment's notice, if the USAF was unable to support them, things could be disastrous.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22134849]"Yay, let's go in and [B]fuck another innocent country up.[/B] We Americans are such good people!"[/QUOTE] says the guy who will defend Israel to his death

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22134895]says the guy who will defend Israel to his death[/QUOTE] Says the guy who shitposts every debate he goes to.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22134923]Says the guy who shitposts every debate he goes to.[/QUOTE] you're anti-american yet you'll defend israel to the fucking death, even when it's been proven that they've repeatedly committed war crimes at least have some consistency you have no credibility broheim

Just a random question but how are you still alive with an Ice pick in the back of your head?

Iran is lead by a madman, in all honesty I think he must have something not quite right up in the attic, if you know what I mean. Just in time for me to turn 18 too. U.S. Military draft - 2010/2011 - YAY! :dance:

[QUOTE=Mabus;22133788]Pretty much this, they rely heavily on support from air and ordinance. Vietnam was a good example of what happens when that stuff does not work. If The Americans were to attack Iran they probably would overwhelm Iranian forces but would suffer horrendous casualty's. After all Iran has plenty of hardware and allies everywhere in the middle east and north Africa.[/QUOTE] Uh what? We used air support and artillery to great effect in Vietnam. It honestly seems like some of you are just looking for a chance to bash at the American Military. Destroying a determined insurgency is incredibly difficult, and I don't see the United Kingdom, France, Canada or Russia doing any better without resorting to actual genocide. I can certainly see some argument to the US Military not being of the best quality in the world, but apparently everything else balances things out since I can't really see any of the others worlds militaries taking it on.

[QUOTE=Theo213;22135290]Uh what? We used air support and artillery to great effect in Vietnam.[/QUOTE] yeah, if you consider dropping napalm on civilians and other chemical agents to be good

[QUOTE=Kade;22110399]Is there a lot of oil under Iran? [img]http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/who-has-the-oil.jpg[/img] ..apparently so...[/QUOTE] What the hell happened to the world map?

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22135383]yeah, if you consider dropping napalm on civilians and other chemical agents to be good[/QUOTE] Do you know anything about Vietnam other then what you've seen in the media? That happened, but I wasn't talking about it in the first place so I don't see why you brought it up. There are limitless accounts of American Infantry utilising low flying aircraft and artillery to defeat NVA/VC Infantry. Infact.. Find me a conflict of comparable length that you can't find plentiful examples of crimes against the civilian population.

[QUOTE=Theo213;22136197]Do you know anything about Vietnam other then what you've seen in the media?[/QUOTE] uh, what is your point? it's a well known fact that the US destroyed civilians on a regular basis by dropping napalm, agent orange, etc. [QUOTE=Theo213;22136197]Infact.. Find me a conflict of comparable length that you can't find plentiful examples of crimes against the civilian population.[/QUOTE] irrelevant and the US shouldn't have been in vietnam in the first place.

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22136568]uh, what is your point? it's a well known fact that the US destroyed civilians on a regular basis by dropping napalm, agent orange, etc. [/QUOTE] What? Please give me a link where is shows the US made a common practice of dropping napalm on civilians. And do you even know what agent orange was?

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22136568]uh, what is your point? it's a well known fact that the US destroyed civilians on a regular basis by dropping napalm, agent orange, etc. irrelevant and the US shouldn't have been in vietnam in the first place.[/QUOTE] The way you're talking you'd think that every other bomb dropped in Vietnam fell on a civilian village. I can provide plenty of examples of artillery/close air support being used effectively in Vietnam, and I doubt you can match it with accounts of civilians being bombed.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22134923]Says the guy who shitposts every debate he goes to.[/QUOTE] Gmod_Fan77, you consistently prove yourself to be ridiculously ignorant in every debate you enter. You have no knowledge of the United States military and your painful assumptions on its strength and tactics are based entirely off of vague understandings of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. The American army that fought in Vietnam is not the American army that exists today, and the similarities are almost non existent. This is not to mention that during Vietnam, the idea of an insurgency as a fighting force against the army was not a concept that American officers and tacticians were familiar with. Do some research on the United States armed forces, for once, before you begin to talk about it. And for the record, no, Russia will do very, very little should the United States invade Iran.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;22097131]Their artillery probably doesn't even work. It's the fact that the entire country is the military. Every one of them is completely brainwashed. I'd rather be in a desert/temperate country fighting a conventional war than sitting in Korea wondering when the next child suicide bomber is going to run at my kneecaps.[/QUOTE] You know why the Soviet Russians had so many nukes? It's because they knew most of them wouldn't work; so they made more. Even with a high rate of failure, they could still have done damage. I'd imagine that NK does the same thing.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;22136652]What? Please give me a link where is shows the US made a common practice of dropping napalm on civilians. And do you even know what agent orange was?[/QUOTE] oh wow lol do you know what the Vietnam war is?

[QUOTE=Not Tishler;22136930]oh wow lol do you know what the Vietnam war is?[/QUOTE] hahaha do you? Maybe you can provide me with these links?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;22136652]What? Please give me a link where is shows the US made a common practice of dropping napalm on civilians. And do you even know what agent orange was?[/QUOTE] US killed 2 million vietnamese civilians many of them in air raids indiscriminate bombings of entire villages, infantry wiping out entire villages and raping and torturing the people, etc. [url]http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNchemical.htm[/url] and yes I know what agent orange is.. I like how the US military claimed it was all harmless and shit. tell that to the 400,000 people with disabilities and the 500,000 children born with birth defects from being exposed to agent orange.

Invade Iran = Klendathu outcome from Starship Troopers

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22137008]US killed 2 million vietnamese civilians many of them in air raids indiscriminate bombings of entire villages, infantry wiping out entire villages and raping and torturing the people, etc. [URL]http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/VNchemical.htm[/URL] and yes I know what agent orange is.. I like how the US military claimed it was all harmless and shit. tell that to the 400,000 people with disabilities and the 500,000 children born with birth defects from being exposed to agent orange.[/QUOTE] The civilian population of northern vietnam was not the target of many of these bombing raids but due to the nature of the nva and vietcong civilian deaths where unavoidable. But there was about one or two instances of US infantry wiping out villages and those involved where tried.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;22136861] And for the record, no, Russia will do very, very little should the United States invade Iran.[/QUOTE] Perhaps you need to do research as well. There are extremely powerful nations in the world that can come close, if not match, the US and its military. Russia for one thing won't like having so many troops right near its borders. They also won't like the US going willy-nilly invading random countries just because it can. They also won't like their ally getting attacked. I hope if the US invades Iran they lose miserably. That'll wipe the smug look off their prissy little generals' faces. The US has no reasons whatsoever to attack Iran, and if it does, then chances are it will only be for oil/

If we invade Iran, at least the civilians would support us. Considering they are still rioting, hell, give it a year and there may be a full blown revolution. If we invade NK, the civilians would charge troops and shit. [editline]11:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22137424]Perhaps you need to do research as well. There are extremely powerful nations in the world that can come close, if not match, the US and its military. Russia for one thing won't like having so many troops right near its borders. They also won't like the US going willy-nilly invading random countries just because it can. They also won't like their ally getting attacked. I hope if the US invades Iran they lose miserably. That'll wipe the smug look off their prissy little generals' faces. The US has no reasons whatsoever to attack Iran, and if it does, then chances are it will only be for oil/[/QUOTE] If you hadn't noticed, Iran is a belligerent country run by one crazy motherfucker. Who regularly kills civilians and oppresses them.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22137424]Perhaps you need to do research as well. There are extremely powerful nations in the world that can come close, if not match, the US and its military. Russia for one thing won't like having so many troops right near its borders. They also won't like the US going willy-nilly invading random countries just because it can. They also won't like their ally getting attacked. I hope if the US invades Iran they lose miserably. That'll wipe the smug look off their prissy little generals' faces. The US has no reasons whatsoever to attack Iran, and if it does, then chances are it will only be for oil/[/QUOTE] I'm by no means a flag-waving patriot, but your US-bashing is just plain retarded.