Major Steam glitch - Fixed - Nobody in here knows what monopoly means
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[QUOTE=Morgen;49395914]No it's not? If you really think it's a none issue then go ahead. Send a bunch of random people your full name, full address, email address, last two digits of your phone number, credit card type and the last two digits.[/QUOTE]
so are you against being listed in the phonebook then? or having a resume viewable to the public?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49395912]Because Valve is perfect in every way and can never do anything wrong. Zedacon at least blindly defends Valve wherever they go.[/QUOTE]
Hardly. I'd rather blindly defend them from people blindly attacking them than be one blindly attacking them, regularly making shit up an exaggerating every situation while being uninformed about what's going on to begin with.
Consider something: You're not right. Just stop for a moment in these situations and think to yourself "Maybe I'm wrong." Have you ever considered that, that you are just incorrect. Taking a moment for some reflection and reconsideration may do you some good. Have you ever considered you're too wrapped up in your own hatred to look at each situation as its own, and actually think them through?
[QUOTE=NixNax123;49395947]so are you against being listed in the phonebook then? or having a resume viewable to the public?[/QUOTE]
When I have a CV or whatever posted publicly I can choose what information I put in it and I acknowledge that the information I enter will be viewable publicly. Same for the phone book.
With the Steam issue I have entered information that I believed to be confidential. That information should only be known by myself, Valve and any third party providers they are using to provide that service.
[QUOTE=Wormy;49395961]Valve is responsible for this incident no matter what way you look at it, and that's what a lot of people are mad about (which they have every right to be). Can you give an example to people blindly attacking them? I must have missed them.[/QUOTE]
When did I say they're not responsible for the incident? Also, look at people like BenJammin who was factually wrong but made this post about how Valve is just the worst as if they knew what they were talking about.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49395955]Hardly. I'd rather blindly defend them from people blindly attacking them than be one blindly attacking them, regularly making shit up an exaggerating every situation while being uninformed about what's going on to begin with.
Consider something: You're not right. Just stop for a moment in these situations and think to yourself "Maybe I'm wrong." Have you ever considered that, that you are just incorrect. Taking a moment for some reflection and reconsideration may do you some good. Have you ever considered you're too wrapped up in your own hatred to look at each situation as its own, and actually think them through?[/QUOTE]
Every single time I see you discussing Valve in any way you are ALWAYS justifying their bad practices and decisions. It's better to be too hard on them since they're capable of not making all these bad decisions and fixing their bad practices than letting it slide because Valve.
Consider something: You're not right. Just stop for a moment in these situations and think to yourself "Maybe I'm wrong." Have you ever considered that, that you are just incorrect. Taking a moment for some reflection and reconsideration may do you some good. Have you ever considered you're too wrapped up in your own blindness to look at each situation as its own, and actually think them through?
I tried to log into steam before going to a christmas party, wouldn't let me change my private info. Went onto the steam store page on google chrome and some how it was logged into someone elses account, what the hell?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49396092]Every single time I see you discussing Valve in any way you are ALWAYS justifying their bad practices and decisions. It's better to be too hard on them since they're capable of not making all these bad decisions and fixing their bad practices than letting it slide because Valve.[/QUOTE]You're factually wrong about that, and also just stooping to childish mimicry. I already made a point that their handling of this was poor. And I've criticized them before. But I hate people who will lie and exaggerate about this shit. It's dishonest and plainly incorrect. So I'll call that out when I notice it. Don't want to be called out, then don't act like a child.
[editline]26th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49396102]I tried to log into steam before going to a christmas party, wouldn't let me change my private info. Went onto the steam store page on google chrome and some how it was logged into someone elses account, what the hell?[/QUOTE]
Logins and information changes and such were disabled. The chaching server had a problem causing it to show the wrong pages to the wrong people. When you would try to view a page it would be loaded into the caching system, but instead of being sent to you, another cached page was returned instead. It's possible someone else might get the page you were supposed to get which would show as its supposed to look for you, if they tried to view the page.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49396133]You're factually wrong about that, and also just stooping to childish mimicry. I already made a point that their handling of this was poor. And I've criticized them before. But I hate people who will lie and exaggerate about this shit. It's dishonest and plainly incorrect. So I'll call that out when I notice it. Don't want to be called out, then don't act like a child.[/QUOTE]
Good thing I'm not acting like a child then. But yeah, you've basically been blindly defending Valve throughout this entire thread. And you do have a history of doing that exact same thing in the past. Maybe there have been times you've actually criticized Valve but I haven't seen them.
And saying they handled this poorly only to go on and defend them shortly afterwards on the same subject doesn't really count as criticism, lol. It just counts as being inconsistent.
it could be god damned monsanto that this leak happened to and my opinion would be the same
[QUOTE=Alice3173;49396168]Good thing I'm not acting like a child then. But yeah, you've basically been blindly defending Valve throughout this entire thread. And you do have a history of doing that exact same thing in the past. Maybe there have been times you've actually criticized Valve but I haven't seen them.
And saying they handled this poorly only to go on and defend them shortly afterwards on the same subject doesn't really count as criticism, lol. It just counts as being inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
So if I just lie and decry Valve as the worst ever, that they planned this and that thousands of people are now going to have their bank account cleared out and their homes robbed, that'd be better? There is no inconsistency in being right. Criticize them where they need to be criticized and defend them when people are just bullshitting. Like the guy saying they didn't take responsibility for it when they specifically said it was something they did that caused that. I'm not going to let him slide.
Noone is downplaying the fact that this was a bad thing that happened. Calling it a massive major issue is an outright fabrication, though. If you're worried about social engineering being an issue, don't, because the same people that'd fall for a phonecall or letter from valve would fall for a phishing attempt through Steam itself.
People are acting like Valve did this on purpose and they should fall and burn because of it. This is nowhere near as big of an issue people are making it out to be. Valve handled this MUCH better than most companies FP has no issue with have done in the past.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49396455]People are acting like Valve did this on purpose and they should fall and burn because of it. This is nowhere near as big of an issue people are making it out to be. Valve handled this MUCH better than most companies FP has no issue with have done in the past.[/QUOTE]
Don't talk about fabrication then say shit like this.
Valve was incompetent once again and this time it could've been really bad, people reacted the way they did because there was no communication at all by them when there was a possibility that personal and private information could be viewed by everybody and they're still upset because they are trying to hide this under the rug like it never happened. They did handled it terribly.
It was christmas day. No company communicates immediately after an issue without internal investigation. If you can name a single major company that has done this, then color me surprised.
Very little private information was released. Can you also blame Valve for wanting to put this issue aside? People are overly angry over an issue that wasn't intentional while people are acting like it is. Valve has poor communication but they made a message relatively really quickly especially compared to other companies. I don't see why this is being brought out of proportion other than people looking for a reason to be mad at them.
Well then, I guess we should just forgive and forget that a company's rookie mistake accidentally released very little private information of thousands of people
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49396533]Well then, I guess we should just forgive and forget that a company's rookie mistake accidentally released very little private information of thousands of people[/QUOTE]
Don't be so hard on Valve, it's not like they are a multi million dollar company with a massive amount of control over pc gaming.
It's okay that they gave no information to the user base and everyone had to resort to a community run twitter for security concerns.
And the response they gave after several hours was more than adequate.
Everyone makes mistakes, no worries that you potentially got your personal information leaked. At least the official twitter wasn't too busy to post the daily sale.
Now if this happened to Origin, pfft fuck those guys, they should've known better.
So I'm on Steam Client and for some reason I can't view my own profile.
It says my profile is private like you would see when trying to look at another users private profile and I can't go view my account details or anything.
Edit: A lot of features aren't responding actually, anything related to my profile isn't accessible.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49396485]Valve was incompetent once again and this time it could've been really bad[/quote]
It factually could have never been any worse than it was due to the nature of the issue. If information wasn't visible on Steam website, it couldn't have been compromised.
[quote], people reacted the way they did because there was no communication at all by them when there was a possibility that personal and private information could be viewed by everybody and they're still upset because they are trying to hide this under the rug like it never happened. They did handled it terribly.[/QUOTE]
Yea, they are totally sweeping it under the rug, not like they've made an official statement and there's an [url=http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/458604254431478327/]official stickied thread on the steam community[/url].
Valve's communication is awful, no one is debating that, but to claim they are pretending it didn't happen is clearly false.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49396601]So I'm on Steam Client and for some reason I can't view my own profile.
It says my profile is private like you would see when trying to look at another users private profile and I can't go view my account details or anything.
Edit: A lot of features aren't responding actually, anything related to my profile isn't accessible.[/QUOTE]
You lost your connection to steam for a minute or two and thus you need to "relog", just go back to your "activity" and it should do that.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49396613]It factually could have never been any worse than it was due to the nature of the issue. If information wasn't visible on Steam website, it couldn't have been compromised.
Yea, they are totally sweeping it under the rug, not like they've made an official statement and there's an [url=http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/458604254431478327/]official stickied thread on the steam community[/url].
Valve's communication is awful, no one is debating that, but to claim they are pretending it didn't happen is clearly false.[/QUOTE]
Their communication is so awful it could've just as well have been nonexistent.
People have complained about that for some years now.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;49396636]You lost your connection to steam for a minute or two and thus you need to "relog", just go back to your "activity" and it should do that.[/QUOTE]
Seems to be a problem with the servers, has trouble connecting yet I can use the store just fine.
Unless the community/profile aren't cached like the store.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49396613]It factually could have never been any worse than it was due to the nature of the issue. If information wasn't visible on Steam website, it couldn't have been compromised.
Yea, they are totally sweeping it under the rug, not like they've made an official statement and there's an [url=http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/458604254431478327/]official stickied thread on the steam community[/url].
Valve's communication is awful, no one is debating that, but to claim they are pretending it didn't happen is clearly false.[/QUOTE]
is that thread not made and stickied by a volunteer community moderator, meaning not really officially made by Valve?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49396533]Well then, I guess we should just forgive and forget that a company's rookie mistake accidentally released very little private information of thousands of people[/QUOTE]
Nowhere in my post did I say you should forgive them for what happened if you don't want to. Taking the information released out of proportion however is insane, when like I said people seem to have forgiven Sony for having shit security and having MUCH worse leaked, as well as Verizon, etc etc.
[QUOTE=Dr.Cola;49396806]is that thread not made and stickied by a volunteer community moderator, meaning not really officially made by Valve?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps "officially endorsed thread" would have been a better way of describing it because if Valve didn't want the information there, it wouldn't be sticked on their official forums by a moderator.
My point stands though, they released an official statement admitting an error on their part, which is the opposite of what someone trying to pretend nothing happened would do.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49396910]Perhaps "officially endorsed thread" would have been a better way of describing it because if Valve didn't want the information there, it wouldn't be sticked on their official forums by a moderator.
My point stands though, they released an official statement admitting an error on their part, which is the opposite of what someone trying to pretend nothing happened would do.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure even high ranking community moderators can sticky threads.
When I see people defend Valve accidently leaking personal information, I get mad. Why?
Because the excuses given range from 'it's not enough!' to 'they would have fallen for scams anyway.'
One is an outright lie and ignores the 'lulz' potential. The other outright blames the fucking victim. In either defence, you're being an asshole.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49400169]When I see people defend Valve accidently leaking personal information, I get mad. Why?
Because the excuses given range from 'it's not enough!' to 'they would have fallen for scams anyway.'
One is an outright lie and ignores the 'lulz' potential. The other outright blames the fucking victim. In either defence, you're being an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I will not, per se, [I]defend[/I] Valve's mistake. I would after all not defend Sony for the loss of personal information, nor Microsoft, nor Verizon.
However I am certain people have not only over reacted, they have over reacted as if they were children.
TotalBiscuit certainly has overblown what happened. I cannot imagine a more asinine tantrum than his long tweets.
Can you tell me what evil has been done? Can you show me people actually hurt, irrevocably, by this? Where are the shredded credit cards and rocky financial loss records?
Can someone actually point out Valve's negligence? Who here can speak with authority, not just on software design, but service-design for a platform that has to be pushed, compatibly, to millions of people and accessed without downtime or hindrance? That can be modified, that can still perform it's function as DRM, that is minimally invasive? No? Alright then.
No accounts were genuinely compromised. There was no way to perform targeted searches for information. Furthermore no genuinely sensetive information was lost. No passwords, no credit card numbers (two digits do not a CC# make, I should point out), no login credentials.
Email accounts? Front-facing Paypal details?
On what planet do these define inviolable and magically protected informations? If either of those things can be found [I]anywhere[/I] on the internet a webspider has already prowled it, and collected it, then inserted it in to a spam database. Congratulations, you are being stalked.
Steam furthermore did not "dox" anyone and it's a literal slander to say that they did. No confidential personal details were released maliciously or with the intent to be shared. Furthermore, the information is at best pseudonymous.
Have we covered the fact that the issue was resolved within less than twelve hours? No? I'm glad that all instead, all that we seem to care about is whether or not Valve issue some strange, left-handed public statement of the sort, "nothing happened, but also nothing happened."
And before we finally stoop to the level of, "but this enables social engineers!"
Really? What social engineers? The people who already mass-add accounts, sight unseen, then ask if they'll join their team for a stand in, but first download this proprietary VoiP!
Right. No.
Not to mention, at the same time, I see the same people who decry Steam's new TFA security measures as unnecessary and invasive also proclaiming quite stridently that Steam has been irresponsible with security. Which is it? This is one of the few, genuine cases where you do not get to eat your cake and have it too.
Also, your pithy "people could harass you for the lulz!" argument is quite literally, paranoid.
Anyone, at this moment, could choose your account on any website, any platform, anywhere your email or a contact point is exposed, and attack it. They could ride from on high and deliver a storm of furious bait unto you then reap the whirlwind they sow.
But they don't. They, also, won't. Trolls seek high-profile, low-effort targets. A random nobody? What's funny about picking on them? What [B]stops[/B] those self-same trolls from going to any Steam account with comments enabled, and posting a thousand ASCII goatses?
Oh. Right. Paranoid, preventative defense. Which, in any other circumstance, you would call authoritarian, invasive, and accuse of being somehow thin-skinned or weak-willed. I'm glad we've cleared this up.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49400169]When I see people defend Valve accidently leaking personal information, I get mad. Why?
Because the excuses given range from 'it's not enough!' to 'they would have fallen for scams anyway.'
One is an outright lie and ignores the 'lulz' potential. The other outright blames the fucking victim. In either defence, you're being an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I can tell you've had a very thorough reading of the thread and have been very involved in the discussions
Welp. My account and the email made for using with Steam just got hijacked. Everything's gone, guy changed ID and everything. Guess he was able to find out what email I was tied to.
[QUOTE=croguy;49400574]Welp. My account and the email made for using with Steam just got hijacked. Everything's gone, guy changed ID and everything. Guess he was able to find out what email I was tied to.[/QUOTE]
You can't change Steam ID.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;49400678]You can't change Steam ID.[/QUOTE]
Think he means custom URL.
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