[QUOTE=Masta Crembo;13445451]Dude, before you post, you should ATLEAST read Wikipedia. Because you make yourself look like an idiot.
You're seriously disinformed.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia is a bad source of information. It can be good for references though.
[QUOTE=Masta Crembo;13445451]Dude, before you post, you should ATLEAST read Wikipedia. Because you make yourself look like an idiot.
You're seriously disinformed.[/QUOTE]
Care to explain ?
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445549]Care to explain ?[/QUOTE]
Because what you said was wrong...
[QUOTE=doggunn;13444943]Wow you're thick. Is that why they pulled out of Gaza a few years ago... for more land? Why would Israel want 360km2 amount of extra land? They'd much rather peace than Gaza.[/QUOTE]
They want the palestinian not to be here. They maybe not want land , but control. But 360km2 is not so small compared with the size of israel. If you are refereing to wikipedia's "Oslo Accords" , it looks like this region was'nt belonging so much to Isreal.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13445557]Because what you said was wrong...[/QUOTE]
Thanks captain obvious. I meant why am I disinformed ? I just read wikipedia but I don't see it.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445578]They want the palestinian not to be here. They maybe not want land , but control. But 360km2 is not so small compared with the size of israel. If you are refereing to wikipedia's "Oslo Accords" , it looks like this region was'nt belonging so much to Isreal.[/QUOTE]
They don't want the people - they don't want control. They just want the stupid mortars and rockets being fired into Israel. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445578]Thanks captain obvious. I meant why am I disinformed ? I just read wikipedia but I don't see it.[/QUOTE]
It's one thing if you misunderstood information - but it's another thing if you're just plain out wrong, like you were.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13445589]They don't want the people - they don't want control. They just want the stupid mortars and rockets being fired into Israel. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.[/QUOTE]
They will achieve this only once all palestinians will be gone.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445601]They will achieve this only once all palestinians will be gone.[/QUOTE]
Probably, but who's fault is that? If the Palestinians won't stop firing, they they'll keep on hurting themselves.
I really hope this is reliable source , but the map that was posted before shows it well :
[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/IMG]
Israel is just invading , little by little .
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445644]I really hope this is reliable source , but the map that was posted before shows it well :
Israel is just invading , little by little .[/QUOTE]
First of all - that's wrong. Israel have pulled out completly from Gaza, and most of the land in the West Bank is the Palestinians, but Israel still maintain a bit of land for Army Bases.
I found this :
[IMG]http://z.about.com/d/geography/1/0/i/1/1/IsraelMap.gif[/IMG]
The area with the star is said to be "israelo-ocuppied" . Probably an old map.
Anyway it's to difficult to tell what's going on.
EDIT :
"Map courtesy of the CIA World Factbook, 2007."
-snip-
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;13445675]I found this :
The area with the star is said to be "israelo-ocuppied" . Probably an old map.
Anyway it's to difficult to tell what's going on.[/QUOTE]
Gaza is still wrong. There is no Israeli involvedment inside the 1950 line.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13445687]Gaza is still wrong. There is no Israeli involvedment inside the 1950 line.[/QUOTE]
The map isn't wrong, just out of date. There were Israeli settlements in Gaza in 2000. There were Israeli settlements and military forces in the Gaza strip up to like, 2005.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13448439]The map isn't wrong, just out of date. There were Israeli settlements in Gaza in 2000. There were Israeli settlements and military forces in the Gaza strip up to like, 2005.[/QUOTE]And there are still plenty of settlers in the West Bank.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13434880]How about I say, I guess you beat me in this conversation’[/QUOTE]
Oh.. Woo and yay. But I’m not here to beat you in a debate; I’m here to convince you that what Israel is doing is wrong, and hopefully turn you into a better person.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13434880]+ it's easy for yall to criticize, you don't experience it, you don't even see it, I've been to Sderot with my family and other cities to go chill a few hours and show them Israel cares, and when we sat down in the restaurant we had the first sirens, then 2 hours later we had another siren. How can they live like this?[/QUOTE]
It’s true. Living in a war zone must be traumatizing, and I feel sorry for anyone who’s forced witness a conflict like this at first hand. However, you have to look at the bigger picture. Making the conflict go on simply because you’re afraid will solve absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13434880]Say what you say, the gazans aren't responsible for what they go through, but blaming ISRAEL won't solve shit.[/QUOTE]
But Israel is the one with the power to put an end to the killings through negotiations. And even if they can’t solve it this way, what they’re doing now is only making things worse, and you know it.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13445479]Lol i love you.
It's funny cause you know, Hamas still exists.. so Israel hasn't achieved that goal... missiles haven't stopped...that so that goal wasn't achieved either.. Oh I know why they had to stop before they achieved their goals, because people were getting pissed off and governments were pressuring them.
BTW check out this funny as fuck quote from an Iranian newspaper.
"Not only has Hamas not been annihilated but in many countries of the world, their flag and signs are at the door and being held aloft. No Hamas members have been arrested, missile attacks on occupied lands have not stopped, no tunnels has been discovered and destroyed and Mahmud Abbas has not only failed to be supported but is today the focus of anger for the Palestinian nation. "[/QUOTE]
Iranian? y'all bring me so many awesome resources, and you choose an Iranian one?
Well, what did you think? we could simply make hamas disappear ? think doing it is magic? US's army - the most feared army today in the world, hasn't stopped the taliban dudes.
You think we'll kill one of their high ranked people they won't replace him?
Then you'll say, then why did you kill him if he would be replaced?
Well, he killed some Israelis so killing him helps
Now you'll say, why did we kill innocent people in the process ?
and then the conversation sort of restarts and I continue to say the same shit I said before till the next time we restart.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13448784]Oh.. Woo and yay. But I’m not here to beat you in a debate; I’m here to convince you that what Israel is doing is wrong, and hopefully turn you into a better person.
[B]better person? what's that got to do with anything? I'm just pissed off, not just because of the war, but because my friend's father who was killed around 10 years ago and I still hang with him and to see him live with out a father and remembering WHY is infuriating - we heard it in school - at that moment it pissed me off so much so we also have hatred towards the gazans but you don't see me wrap a bomb around me and run with a rifle around gaza n doin the shit they do.[/B]
It’s true. Living in a war zone must be traumatizing, and I feel sorry for anyone who’s forced witness a conflict like this at first hand. However, you have to look at the bigger picture. Making the conflict go on simply because you’re afraid will solve absolutely nothing.
[B]I don't understand, what am I supposed to be afraid of?[/B]
But Israel is the one with the power to put an end to the killings through negotiations. And even if they can’t solve it this way, what they’re doing now is only making things worse, and you know it.
[B]Yea, it's making it worse, even though you don't know FOR SURE that we done in gaza is on purpose but see, negotiations with terrorists - for example for our hostages just makes them understand that kidnapping another soldier is a worth many terrorists so Israel left Gila'ad Shalit to be a POV for 3 years now(+ the red cross\UN doesn't give a fuck about him really = disgusting). Negotiations won't work, if you remember, we've made peace with gaza 2\a few times with them, but they just kept shooting and blowing up so we can't really trust a terrorist group. Olmert warned them, told them if they don't cease, more blood will be spelt on their land, they don't understand words so kicking their ass is the last solution. - if you have any better solution apart from what was said before - feel free to tell Israel.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Conscript;13434990]you keep going back to the point that israel is defending itself but you ignore mine that israel is only defending itself in one context.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well Israel has been wrong and killed many innocent people and is seriously wrong, so what now? You've just brought peace to the middle east? Or in Israel itself? pfft, you think it's that simple and all your solutions will work, but so far your solution is just gambling Israeli lives, "let's lift the blockade see what happens."
Yea right. lol[/B]
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13461022]Iranian? y'all bring me so many awesome resources, and you choose an Iranian one? [/QUOTE]
I thought it was funny as fuck due to how inaccurate it is. Read what I posted with it. I just thought the whole "no tunnels have been destroyed and no hamas leaders have been arrested" thing was funny.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13461022]
Well, what did you think? we could simply make hamas disappear ? think doing it is magic? US's army - the most feared army today in the world, hasn't stopped the taliban dudes.
You think we'll kill one of their high ranked people they won't replace him?
Then you'll say, then why did you kill him if he would be replaced?
Well, he killed some Israelis so killing him helps
Now you'll say, why did we kill innocent people in the process ?
and then the conversation sort of restarts and I continue to say the same shit I said before till the next time we restart. [/QUOTE]
They were still forced to stop earlier than they would have liked, due to international pressure. It wasn't because of Israeli casualities, because they were mostly inflicted early on.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13461150][B]Well Israel has been wrong and killed many innocent people and is seriously wrong, so what now? You've just brought peace to the middle east? Or in Israel itself? pfft, you think it's that simple and all your solutions will work, but so far your solution is just gambling Israeli lives, "let's lift the blockade see what happens."
Yea right. lol[/B][/QUOTE]
well you'll do good in the IDF, you're certainly stupid enough.
lifting the blockade will erase the conditions that drives so many palestinians to support extreme parties like hamas. it will allow gaza to become self-sustainable over time, and eventually most palestinians will come to accept israel, just like west bank.
Guys basicly ;
Arabs sold those lands to Israel and became rich but now they ran out of money this is the reason all these things are happening... This is one fucked up world I tell ya ...
[QUOTE=Zarfa;13465437]Guys basicly ;
Arabs sold those lands to Israel and became rich but now they ran out of money this is the reason all these things are happening... This is one fucked up world I tell ya ...[/QUOTE]
They didn't sell the lands..
[QUOTE=Zarfa;13465437]Guys basicly ;
Arabs sold those lands to Israel and became rich but now they ran out of money this is the reason all these things are happening... This is one fucked up world I tell ya ...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Conscript;13464535]well you'll do good in the IDF, you're certainly stupid enough.
lifting the blockade will erase the conditions that drives so many palestinians to support extreme parties like hamas. it will allow gaza to become self-sustainable over time, and eventually most palestinians will come to accept israel, just like west bank.[/QUOTE]
[B]LOL[/B]. That is what was[B] BEFORE[/B] the blockade and the [B]WALLS[/B], where do these ideas come from!?!?
They DIDNT accept us, and we also gave the land [B]BEFORE[/B] the walls and they [B]STILL[/B] attacked us and launched rockets... [B]LOL[/B] I was starting to think you had a point but you just don't know what you're talking about!!
Before the blockade and the walls there was suicide bombings and hostage situations and random shootouts, what are you talking about? [B]Peace and harmony[/B] ? [B]they will accept us[/B]??
Do you [B]understand [/B]me yet? or are you going to continue to be '[B]stubborn[/B]' like this?
Your ideas consist gambling Israeli lives, and that's like all you others who protest against Israel thinking you have brilliant ideas to solve world peace and accidentally solve the global warming.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13462939]They were still forced to stop earlier than they would have liked, due to international pressure. It wasn't because of Israeli casualities, because they were mostly inflicted early on.[/QUOTE]
So what are you trying to say? Plus, I heard on TV, all that WP of yours, it was used a few times, and once civilians were hit the use of WP [B]CEASED[/B]. That's why on TV you saw only 2 or 3 people being interviewed with the burns, and those jellyfish like smoke with many tentacle like smoke with flares falling on the ground? ITS SMOKE, and the flare thing at that fell, when it touches you, nothing happens to you, it's like a smoke grenade, and yes it was used around civilians but it was in purpose to blind hamas while Israeli soldiers rush in
[B]Those FUCKING ANTI SEMITIC LIARS[/B] in BBC filmed those jelly fish smoke and related it to the WP - showing many of those to make Israel look worse, damn...
Your News channels are so propaganda. LOL and believe all they're saying and telling me what you hear? damn.. I can't believe I wasted my time with you people.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13465850]They didn't sell the lands..[/QUOTE]
But Israel offered them much land, they didn't accept, and now they're crying.
Not our problem now.
Oh and you say we owe Palestine some responsibility? Simply because they're border touches Israel? But they also touch Egyptian borders, why dont they open?
[B]BECAUSE, they're scared of the gazans too! They hate them too! You know why? because of the Hamas and all of their friends, well, they aren't healthy to others.[/B] How about they open their borders? [B]it's their brothers[/B]! they're muslims too! Why don't they help them? Why don't they open the borders for them?
There were events where Egyptian border patrol shot gazans running over the border, [B]their brothers![/B]
Man you guys are seriously bullshitting, I can't believe I really started listening to yall.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13480857][B]LOL[/B]. That is what was[B] BEFORE[/B] the blockade and the [B]WALLS[/B], where do these ideas come from!?!?
They DIDNT accept us, and we also gave the land [B]BEFORE[/B] the walls and they [B]STILL[/B] attacked us and launched rockets... [B]LOL[/B] I was starting to think you had a point but you just don't know what you're talking about!!
Before the blockade and the walls there was suicide bombings and hostage situations and random shootouts, what are you talking about? [B]Peace and harmony[/B] ? [B]they will accept us[/B]??
Do you [B]understand [/B]me yet? or are you going to continue to be '[B]stubborn[/B]' like this?
Your ideas consist gambling Israeli lives, and that's like all you others who protest against Israel thinking you have brilliant ideas to solve world peace and accidentally solve the global warming.
So what are you trying to say? Plus, I heard on TV, all that WP of yours, it was used a few times, and once civilians were hit the use of WP [B]CEASED[/B]. That's why on TV you saw only 2 or 3 people being interviewed with the burns, and those jellyfish like smoke with many tentacle like smoke with flares falling on the ground? ITS SMOKE, and the flare thing at that fell, when it touches you, nothing happens to you, it's like a smoke grenade, and yes it was used around civilians but it was in purpose to blind hamas while Israeli soldiers rush in
[B]Those FUCKING ANTI SEMITIC LIARS[/B] in BBC filmed those jelly fish smoke and related it to the WP - showing many of those to make Israel look worse, damn...
Your News channels are so propaganda. LOL and believe all they're saying and telling me what you hear? damn.. I can't believe I wasted my time with you people.
But Israel offered them much land, they didn't accept, and now they're crying.
Not our problem now.
Oh and you say we owe Palestine some responsibility? Simply because they're border touches Israel? But they also touch Egyptian borders, why dont they open?
[B]BECAUSE, they're scared of the gazans too! They hate them too! You know why? because of the Hamas and all of their friends, well, they aren't healthy to others.[/B] How about they open they're borders? ITS THEIR BROTHERS! they're muslims too! Why dont they help them? why don't they open the borders for them?
There were events where Egyptian border patrol shot gazans and all of them running over the border, [B]their brothers![/B]
Man you guys are seriously bullshitting, I can't believe I really started listening to yall.[/QUOTE]
Says the guy that loves it when Israel fucks the arabs and doesn't care about the world.
Get out, racist.
Edit: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=13210445&postcount=2422[/url]
Why the fuck wasn't he permabanned for racism, anyway?
[QUOTE=Fred;13481171]Says the guy that loves it when Israel fucks the arabs and doesn't care about the world.
Get out, racist.
Edit: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=13210445&postcount=2422[/url]
Why the fuck wasn't he permabanned for racism, anyway?[/QUOTE]
1. Well, I changed my mind, I wanna stay.
2. Give me an explanation why is it racism if that's what [B]YOU claim[/B], [B]YOU - yourself and your friends[/B] claimed that [B]we do all of that[/B] so why is it racism? and if what I said offended then I'm sorry. :'(
EDIT: Is arabs a racist word? They're arabs - unless they find that insulting too and are going to protest about that too.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13481396]1. Well, I changed my mind, I wanna stay.
2. Give me an explanation why is it racism if that's what [B]YOU claim[/B], [B]YOU - yourself and your friends[/B] claimed that [B]we do all of that[/B] so why is it racism? and if what I said offended then I'm sorry. :'(
EDIT: Is arabs a racist word? They're arabs - unless they find that insulting too and are going to protest about that too.[/QUOTE]
Everything is racist is the crybabies decide they don't like you.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13481396]1. Well, I changed my mind, I wanna stay.
2. Give me an explanation why is it racism if that's what [B]YOU claim[/B], [B]YOU - yourself and your friends[/B] claimed that [B]we do all of that[/B] so why is it racism? and if what I said offended then I'm sorry. :'(
EDIT: Is arabs a racist word? They're arabs - unless they find that insulting too and are going to protest about that too.[/QUOTE]
You said you want to blow them TO FUCKING BITS, SPECIFYING THE ARABS.
:/
[QUOTE=Ban-Karskin;13481602]Everything is racist is the crybabies decide they don't like you.[/QUOTE]
Nice alt Karskin.
[QUOTE=Fred;13481866]Nice alt Karskin.[/QUOTE]
HAY GUYS!! RELEVANCE!
I have 2 alts actually. Point being?
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