[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]I just... Can't talk to you...
I don't understand how anyone could be this dull. You're saying that Israel reserves the right to kill innocent people. Like I said, even if they did, then this is just the reason I fucking hate them.
Clearly you're stating that Israel can be a terrorist and get away with it but Hamas can't.[/QUOTE]
AMEN BROTHAH
And killing innoncent civillians will break their will? Don't you think this will rather rile up this enemy's forces to eradicate you? If I was soldier, and a civillian who could my friend, family, and etc. died even though they had no part in it, hell they could've opposed it, I would be fucking pissed and support my opposing genocide instead. Not to mention, killing civillians is a taboo, so I'd like you to do this without getting UN, NATO, EU, and etc condemning your ass and looking like an asshole infront of the Earth.
Killing innocent is both wrong and ineffective.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude]And killing innoncent civillians will break their will? Don't you think this will rather rile up this enemy's forces to eradicate you? If I was soldier, and a civillian who could my friend, family, and etc. died even though they had no part in it, hell they could've opposed it, I would be fucking pissed and support my opposing genocide instead. Not to mention, killing civillians is a taboo, so I'd like you to do this without getting UN, NATO, EU, and etc condemning your ass and looking like an asshole infront of the Earth.
Killing innocent is both wrong and ineffective.[/QUOTE]
They have been condemned by the UN many times. They just seem to get away with it.
[quote]UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians
1955 - 1992
[img]http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/un.gif[/img]
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.[/quote]
[quote]Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. [/quote]
Go Israel! :downs:
[QUOTE=Wordsworth]If everyone would leave Israel alone this wouldn't happen but everyone in the middle east and their grandma wants to fucking jump them because they're jews and took a bunch of worthless desert and turned it into a paradise.[/QUOTE]
Haha holy shit you're dumb.
I'm just hoping UN takes action soon. They can go ahead and be quoted by the media saying 'This is wrong, I urge immediate diplomacy, and goodbye', this won't change anything. We need them in there, give relief, and position some peacekeepers. Although I HATE casuality, I want the UN peacekeepers put on heavily populated area or any 'hot zone' so the Israeli are careful where to actually bomb. I don't think Israeli wants the full wrath of the UN. Though, I'm not that knowledged, so point out flaws if you wish.
It would be interesting if the UN actually bothered to go into the area. But they have a history of stepping back and letting things fix themselves.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]It would be interesting if the UN actually bothered to go into the area. But they have a history of stepping back and letting things [b]fix themselves[/b].[/QUOTE]
I have identified a problem.
Unbelievable how some people are conditioned to ignore the humanitarian crisis in Gaza by just writing them off as Muslim extremists. Academia and prominent intellectuals from all around the world have flow to Gaza and demonstrated in solidarity with people there. Palestine was relatively well established as a society as British enclave and afterwards.
The conflict that exists now is largely the result of the fact that Israel is essentially pounding a blockaded, starved prison camp into the dirt. In the past, blame could be shifted back and forth between the two in the formative years of the problem.
And so the more reasonable jingoists feel better, the only countries who really support Israel explicitly are the US. Britain, for example, has traditionally refused to take sides.
Go Israel! Genocide is alright if you're a wealthy Western supported nation!
Are you stating that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Just in case, I'll present you with this.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide[/url]
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Are you stating that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Just in case, I'll present you with this.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you saying the Rwandan genocide fixed itself?
Congo.
Congo Congo Congo. Silly goose.
[QUOTE=Kommodore]Are you saying the Rwandan genocide fixed itself?
[/QUOTE]
Other way around. I was confused as to which side you were taking so I posted that to reaffirm my belief that the UN sucks.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Are you stating that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Just in case, I'll present you with this.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide[/url][/QUOTE]
Maybe if the Tutsi weren't ethnically inferior they wouldn't be exterminated
(parrel with israel palestine conflict???)
[QUOTE=Wordsworth]If everyone would leave Israel alone this wouldn't happen but everyone in the middle east and their grandma wants to fucking jump them because they're jews and took a bunch of worthless desert and turned it into a paradise.[/QUOTE]
If you are going to make a for/against comment for Israel can you atleast make it informed.
[QUOTE=Wordsworth]If everyone would leave Israel alone this wouldn't happen but everyone in the middle east and their grandma wants to fucking jump them because they're jews and took a bunch of worthless desert and turned it into a paradise.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
That IS kinda fucked that they've killed women and children so far. Then again with the way things work over there it's hard to distinguish friend from foe.
Step 1: Piss off another nation.
Step 2: Blend in completely with the civilian population.
Step 3: Cry foul when the enemy can't find you.
You can't blame Israel, afterall they are doing what they can to defend themselves.
And it's funny how we say that Israel should not strike back, try having a neighbouring country fire missiles against the U.S. or EU and see what would happen.
And then these civillians (of wich few wouldn't want to kill every last Israeli) protest by burning Israeli flags, wow that's really how to show you are innocent.
[QUOTE=acds]You can't blame Israel, afterall they are doing what they can to defend themselves.
And it's funny how we say that Israel should not strike back, try having a neighbouring country fire missiles against the U.S. or EU and see what would happen.
And then these civillians (of wich few wouldn't want to kill every last Israeli) protest by burning Israeli flags, wow that's really how to show you are innocent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chippays]Haha holy shit you're dumb.[/QUOTE]
Everyone should feel free to copy paste this throughout the thread
[QUOTE=Chippays]Everyone should feel free to copy paste this throughout the thread[/QUOTE]
Instead of posting just to say that others opinions are stupid, why don't you post your own opinion?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?]Why is everyone on Facepunch so violent towards every known religion?[/QUOTE]
Because we're a bunch of angry, home ridden teenagers with enough angst to fuel a small anarchic nation. And by that token, we're all Atheists or Agnostics.
[QUOTE=Xystus234]But a good deal of them do. That's why we should bomb the crap out of the ones that do.[/QUOTE]
It's not like they woke up one fine sunday morning and decided to start killing people.
It's because they're pissed at someone. Going around bombing people is just going to make more people want to kill us. You can't stop violence by killing all of the violent people. You stop violence through peace.
[QUOTE=DualReaverV2]Now I don't feel so bad about Israel bombing the shit out of them.[/QUOTE]
You mean you actually [b]FELT BAD[/b] about them? :mad:
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]It's not like they woke up one fine sunday morning and decided to start killing people.
It's because they're pissed at someone. Going around bombing people is just going to make more people want to kill us. You can't stop violence by killing all of the violent people. You stop violence through peace.[/QUOTE]
It's a nice idea, but you seem to be forgetting that killing everyone angry at you until they surrender has worked in the past.
[QUOTE=evilking1]Funny thing, there has been war down there for longer than I've been alive...[/QUOTE]
Funny thing, there has been war down there for longer than mikfoz has been alive.
I don't agree with killing civillians, but I think that Palestine has brought this upon themselves...
[QUOTE=acds]You can't blame Israel, afterall they are doing what they can to defend themselves.
And it's funny how we say that Israel should not strike back, try having a neighbouring country fire missiles against the U.S. or EU and see what would happen.
And then these civillians (of wich few wouldn't want to kill every last Israeli) protest by burning Israeli flags, wow that's really how to show you are innocent.[/QUOTE]
Why the [b]fuck[/b] do you think they burn the israeli flag? Because the Israeli's could give a fuck less if they're children get blown apart by bombs.
And what the hell are you saying? We should put a bullet in every man who stands up for himself?
Hey look, someone is burning an American flag, Git yer guns boys!
[b]Edit:[/b]
[QUOTE=acds]Instead of posting just to say that others opinions are stupid, why don't you post your own opinion?[/QUOTE]
You don't know anything about what you are saying so you shouldn't even have an opinion.
lol it reaches over xbox 360?? xD
[b]Edit:[/b]
nvm i realized how lame that is
US already has it's hands in everyone's cookie jar, we really don't need more Arabs pissed at us.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Why the [b]fuck[/b] do you think they burn the israeli flag? Because the Israeli's could give a fuck less if they're children get blown apart by bombs.
And what the hell are you saying? We should put a bullet in every man who stands up for himself?
Hey look, someone is burning an American flag, Git yer guns boys!
[b]Edit:[/b]
You don't know anything about what you are saying so you shouldn't even have an opinion.[/QUOTE]
Well, since the Israeli are humans like everybody else, think how you would react.
Let's say that one day Mexico starts firing missiles against the U.S., they destroy your house, kill most of your relatives and forces you to live on the street, now wouldn't you be a little pissed off if your government does nothing to stop that from happening again? and then you get called child-killer by others who thinks the death of their dog is the most tragic thing that can possibly happen (i think very few who post here have experienced what is happening down there) and so on.
It's not the first time this happens, it's like the fourth in the last years, and every time Israel pulls back because of the international pressure the militants gear up again and it starts over again.
Also i'm not saying that they should bomb them because they burn flags, (and they don't just burn flags during the manifestations against Israel) but it sure isn't a good way to demonstrate peacefullness.
I'm not saying Israel is doing a good thing by bombing civillians, not at all, but EVERY war has had civillian casualities, so it's not un-expected.
Also, they won't pull back because they understood that pulling back and attacking again every year is causing more casualties then a single definitive attack would.
[QUOTE=acds]Well, since the Israeli are humans like everybody else, think how you would react.
Let's say that one day Mexico starts firing missiles against the U.S., they destroy your house, kill most of your relatives and forces you to live on the street, now wouldn't you be a little pissed off if your government does nothing to stop that from happening again? and then you get called child-killer by others who thinks the death of their dog is the most tragic thing that can possibly happen (i think very few who post here have experienced what is happening down there) and so on.
It's not the first time this happens, it's like the fourth in the last years, and every time Israel pulls back because of the international pressure the militants gear up again and it starts over again.
Also i'm not saying that they should bomb them because they burn flags, (and they don't just burn flags during the manifestations against Israel) but it sure isn't a good way to demonstrate peacefullness.
I'm not saying Israel is doing a good thing by bombing civillians, not at all, but EVERY war has had civillian casualities, so it's not un-expected.
Also, they won't pull back because they understood that pulling back and attacking again every year is causing more casualties then a single definitive attack would.[/QUOTE]
Better analogy.
I walk into your house and kill your kid.
You kill everyone on my entire block.
Bam.
And if you think that Israel is doing their best not to hurt Palestinian civilians then you have something jammed in your brain.
[b]Edit:[/b]
I'll repost this list of UN resolutions for you to see
[quote]Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. [/quote]
And what the hell? Your analogy better describes palestine not israel.
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