[QUOTE=Dank Dave]Israel will make short work out of Hamas.[/QUOTE]
Hamas thrives on situations like this.
Waff is correct about Fatah
I would like to see Israeli burn.
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]Waff is correct about Fatah[/QUOTE]
In what sense? In the fact that they hold government (illegitimately) over part of Palestine that Israel isn't attacking?
[QUOTE=Karskiner]In what sense? In the fact that they hold government (illegitimately) over part of Palestine that Israel isn't attacking?[/QUOTE]
I think Waff can correct me if I'm wrong but it's it the other way around
I'm not understanding how you can say it's illigitamate to be honest. Just cause they don't have power there doesn't mean they aren't supposed to.
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]I think Waff can correct me if I'm wrong but it's it the other way around[/QUOTE]
Would you like to source your information? Because I'm sourcing mine: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006[/url]
It clearly shows that Hamas holds way more seats than Fatah
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]I think Waff can correct me if I'm wrong but it's it the other way around[/QUOTE]
I'd say that's pretty backwards.
It's hamas that's ruling over an area illigitimatly that is being attacked by Israel
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[QUOTE=Karskiner]Would you like to source your information? Because I'm sourcing mine: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006[/url]
It clearly shows that Hamas holds way more seats than Fatah[/QUOTE]
[quote]Mahmoud Abbas (Arabic: محمود عباس‎ Maḥmūd ʾAbbās) (born March 26, 1935), also known by the kunya Abu Mazen (Arabic: ابو مازن‎), is the Chairman of the PLO since November 11, 2004 and President of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) since January 15, 2005. [b]He is also the President of the "State of Palestine" since[/b] [highlight]November 23, 2008[/highlight][1] (acting since May 8, 2005[2]).[/quote]
2008>2006
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]Because we're more civilized. Haven't you noticed? Nobody invades anybody anymore, we have big, successful charities bringing technology to less developed nations, the right to marry another human and start a family is universally recognized, religious differences are discussed, not used as a motive for warfare, widespread political corruption is a thing of the past, the "green" standards for modern architecture are practical and efficient, and energy is cheap and plentiful, coming from a wide variety of safe sources.[/QUOTE]
I know that, but it annoys me that people go apeshit when the good guys accidentally kill someone, whereas the badguys do it on purpose and get no shit because it's expected of them.
[QUOTE=TH89]I'm not going to say I hope you get accidentally killed
but[/QUOTE]
People die in war. No matter how civilized the world is, it's still gonna happen and it always will.
[B]EDIT:[/B]
Just like to add, in no way shape or form do I support the killing of civilians.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]2008>2006[/QUOTE]
wellllll to be fair legislative offices are a bit different than executive offices
are the Republicans in power in the U.S.?
If they were then would you say obama was illegitimate? (I was trying to lead him back into this =\)
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]2008>2006[/QUOTE]
The "State of Palestine" doesn't exist. It's what the PLO is claiming to control. Also none of this changes the fact that Israel is only attacking Hamas, which controls the Gaza strip.
all i want is that this war will end, i don't like having the missiles explode right near my house
Hamas and the people who happen to be living there. My point was that fatah did not condone the attacks and wanted the truce to stay in place and because of hamas, both are negatively affected.
Also I don't quite understand. If hamas is the ruling party of the palestinian government, holding the majority of the seats, how can you say that it doesn't exist? Because it's the same government that Fatah president Mahmoud Abbas presides over.
[QUOTE=amute][img]http://www.thelondondailynews.com/images/hamas_bomber.jpg[/img]
So innocent. :keke:[/QUOTE]
[img]http://helloyahoomail.net/en/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/american-mother.jpg[/img]
[img]http://bp2.blogger.com/_9ULP9aVmDsM/RiyyfJAw7II/AAAAAAAAAAY/x86LYHTarDk/s320/Mother+Soldier.jpg[/img]
Still no live feed?
reminder that Russia had a ground war with Georgia
I'd say conventional war still exists.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]I know that, but it annoys me that people go apeshit when the good guys accidentally kill someone, whereas the badguys do it on purpose and get no shit because it's expected of them.
People die in war. No matter how civilized the world is, it's still gonna happen and it always will.
[B]EDIT:[/B]
Just like to add, in no way shape or form do I support the killing of civilians.[/QUOTE]
And that totally justifies Israel killing ~400 Palestinians in response to the deaths of like 4 Israelis. Glad to know that Israel values its citizens 100x more than the lives of a Palestinian.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Hamas and the people who happen to be living there. My point was that fatah did not condone the attacks and wanted the truce to stay in place and because of hamas, both are negatively affected.
Also I don't quite understand. If hamas is the ruling party of the palestinian government, holding the majority of the seats, how can you say that it doesn't exist? Because it's the same government that Fatah president Mahmoud Abbas presides over.[/QUOTE]
Also going a bit off topic from this whole government discussion, let me explain to you what a "hudna" is. A hudna is a "cease-fire" that under Islamic law, can only last for 10 years. A hudna serves as time for Islamic militants to re-group, re-recruit, and re-arm. Under Islamic law, since it is a religious duty to kill infidels, a cease-fire doesn't mean peace, it is a war tactic. If an Islamic extremist controlled state is calling for a cease-fire, you know they are weak and that now is the time to attack.
Also back to your original point, if you're claiming I'm dumb because I said Hamas is the legitimate government (they're still the legitimate government of this "pretend" state), then what about you originally saying that Israel is attacking the poor innocent Palestinian government boo hoo?
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]reminder that Russia had a ground war with Georgia
I'd say conventional war still exists.
[b]Edit:[/b]
And that totally justifies Israel killing ~400 Palestinians in response to the deaths of like 4 Israelis. Glad to know that Israel values its citizens 100x more than the lives of a Palestinian.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about Israel, but modern war in general. Both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong here.
I simply stated that the president did not condone the actions of hamas
I really don't get where I went wrong here, I just happen to assume that the legitimate government [i]might[/i] be the government who's party was elected as leader of the country.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]I'm not talking about Israel, but modern war in general. Both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong here.[/QUOTE]
who's more in the wrong though
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]I simply stated that the president did not condone the actions of hamas
I really don't get where I went wrong here, I just happen to assume that the legitimate government [i]might[/i] be the government who's party was elected as leader of the country.[/QUOTE]
Then you don't know how their politics work. They have a President and a Prime Minister
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]who's more in the wrong though[/QUOTE]
Not sure. Hamas is killing civilians with rocket attacks, provoking Israel. But Israel is killing even more civilians than the actual bad guys.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]It's like WW1 and 2.
I don't get why people get so pissed off even if 1 civilian is accidentally killed. Back in WW2, and even as recently as Vietnam, everyone killed civilians on purpose. Now a single death seems to cause massive controversy.[/QUOTE]
because killing civillians on purpose is a total dick move
So innocent, for real:
[img]http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html[/img]
[quote]Unfortunately the situation is very bad in Gaza city - the Israeli occupation is striking more and more organisations, more houses and the mosque, and my university was hit last night.
They focus on the civilians. It is easy for them.
Nothing is working in Gaza and we don't do anything. We stay inside the house, my family and I. Every family in Gaza is doing the same.
We are used to hearing these airstrikes, everybody here is used to it and we don't have any way to protect ourselves. We just stay inside the home, hearing the news, hearing where the Israeli [army] strikes, hearing the F16s and Apaches and waiting to see what will happen.
We were not prepared for the war. They attack civilians and children and don't care if we are armed or not.
Yesterday, my sister's house was damaged in a strike on a target nearby. Every room was damaged except for the kitchen, where she and the children were. Allah kept them alive.
The world looks at unarmed Palestinian people as though they are a nation with an army, as though we are equal to the Israelis. They think we have real rockets that cause a lot of damage or have a big effect, but this is not true.
The reality is that we don't have anything and they have struck everything in Gaza.
I have exams coming soon in my university and I want to study but I can't in this situation. So they affect my future, the future of all students here.
Why does the Israeli army strike my university and mosques and houses? I don't know the answer. You have to ask them.
The coming days will be very bad. There will be more and more deaths."[/quote]
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html[/url]
How about you read from a source that is not TOTALLY FUCKING BIASED?
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]But the [highlight]actual ruling government and the actual citizens of Palestine are pretty much the only ones actually getting hurt by this.[/highlight]
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Yeah, that's why Hamas fires fewer and fewer rockets every day. It's not like Israel is targeting them or anything.
And by the way, yes the death toll is over 360, however the extreme majority of that number are not civilians. The civilians killed are the ones that were used as meat shields by Hamas.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy] But Israel is killing even more civilians than the actual bad guys.[/QUOTE]
Factually incorrect.
[QUOTE=]CNN reports 375 Gazans are dead. The UN estimates that 60 are civilians. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]
I'm not condoning the actions of either party
Fuck israel.[/QUOTE]
Haha.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy] But Israel is killing even more civilians than the actual bad guys.[/QUOTE]
Factually incorrect.
[QUOTE=]CNN reports 375 Gazans are dead. The UN estimates that 60 are civilians. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Prismatex]So innocent, for real:
[img]http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html[/img]
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html[/url]
How about you read from a source that is not TOTALLY FUCKING BIASED?[/QUOTE]
OH YEAH, sure. Not biased. :downs:
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