[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Yeah, that's why Hamas fires fewer and fewer rockets every day. It's not like Israel is targeting them or anything.
And by the way, yes the death toll is over 360, however the extreme majority of that number are not civilians. The civilians killed are the ones that were used as meat shields by Hamas.
Factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Thank you
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Oh, alright then. I was just skimming through the topic and going by what the people here were saying (bad idea I guess).
Still it's way too many for a country that is supposed to be civilized.
[QUOTE=TH89]They've been making short work of the Palestinians for the past 50 years dude[/QUOTE]
They can't exterminate the Palestinians, you know. All Israel can do is go in, destroy whatever group is leading them and go home and hope this time the Palestinians realize it's about time they try making peace with Israel.
Also, it's not like Hamas is doing this by accident. They've been shooting missiles into Israel with the intention of killing civilians and you can't tell me that if some group of people were shooting at unarmed civilians in YOUR country that you wouldn't want to fight back.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]they'll crucify the american military too ffffff[/QUOTE]
Hamas = Nail and hammer
U.S. Army = M16's, grenades, missles, tanks, etc...
On that note, I'm Christian.
COME AND GET ME ASSHOLES!!!
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]Oh, alright then. I was just skimming through the topic and going by what the people here were saying (bad idea I guess).
Still it's way too many for a country that is supposed to be civilized.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to minimize casualties when the target is a supposedly legitimate government that hides among civilians like terrorists. Bandwagons are always bad things.
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]It's hard to minimize casualties when the target is a supposedly legitimate government that hides among civilians like terrorists. Bandwagons are always bad things.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't add up. You're saying they hide behind civilians, and yet only about 1/6 of those dead are civilians? I'm not sure that number is right. How is the UN discerning between civilians and non civilians?
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I guess it doesn't really matter anyway whether or not Israel's action here is justified. I don't believe it is, but I don't believe there should've been the construction of Israel either.
[QUOTE=Conscript]That doesn't add up. You're saying they hide behind civilians, and yet only about 1/6 of those dead are civilians? I'm not sure that number is right. [/QUOTE]
Yes, amazingly when you realize that Israel is not slaughtering civilians indiscriminately, the numbers make sense.
I mean, how would you like it if every time US forces killed a terrorist, they were reported as "Iraqi's."
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Haha.
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Factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]
police officers/government workers aren't civilians but they are just as innocent
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Yes, amazingly when you realize that Israel is not slaughtering civilians indiscriminately, the numbers make sense.[/QUOTE]
And yet Palestinian hospitals are overflowed with injured.
Regardless of that, Israel doesn't seem to realize, or is too stubborn to, that the reason that there is rocket attacks from Hamas is the huge amount of social unrest in Palestine.
Hamas is in power simply because the population wants them to be. Bombing them in an attempt to make peace is a terrible solution to a complex problem.
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Yes, amazingly when you realize that Israel is not slaughtering civilians indiscriminately, the numbers make sense.
I mean, how would you like it if every time US forces killed a terrorist, they were reported as "Iraqi's."[/QUOTE]
I'm having trouble believing a vast majority of the 100,000+ Iraqis killed are all "terrorists"
do you count insurgents as terrorists?
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also there wouldn't be so many casualties if Israel didn't pen up the Palestinians in a ghetto and let them have enough space to live like human beings!
[QUOTE=mr-kaki]WHAT FUCKING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS THAT DIE FROM FUCKING HAMAS'S ROCKETS? DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, DID YA?
SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOOT ROCKETS AT US ON A DAILY MATTER AND COUNTRIES EXPECT US TO JUST BE QUIET AND WATCH OUR CITIZENS DIE.[/QUOTE]
Fire rockets back.
Meh, never liked Hamas anyways. Or Palestine for that matter.
I'm just opposed to a lot of the Middle-East.
Call me ignorant.
[QUOTE=tarkata14]Meh, never liked Hamas anyways. Or Palestine for that matter.
I'm just opposed to a lot of the Middle-East.
Call me ignorant.[/QUOTE]
i too am against the middle east
we should just nuke them all
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and then china and russia too
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i never liked those either
[QUOTE=tarkata14]Hamas = Nail and hammer
U.S. Army = M16's, grenades, missles, tanks, etc...[/QUOTE]
sorry i'm pretty sure it's the other way around
[argument for both sides] My religious ass deserves to be here [/argument for both sides]
[QUOTE=Dank Dave]Also, it's not like Hamas is doing this by accident. They've been shooting missiles into Israel with the intention of killing civilians and you can't tell me that if some group of people were shooting at unarmed civilians in YOUR country that you wouldn't want to fight back.[/QUOTE]
If people in the U.S. was shooting rockets that killed 6 US civilians, I would not support air strikes that killed 60 US civilians
That would be dumb
Except since the Palestinians are second class citizens basically living under apartheid, it's somehow OK
if someone launched rockets at the US their country would be leveled by the end of the month
Hey guys, I need help being cool. Is it cool to say that Israel is doing a good job no matter what they do?
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]And by the way, yes the death toll is over 360, however the extreme majority of that number are not civilians. The civilians killed are the ones that were used as meat shields by Hamas.
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Part of the reason for this is that Interior Security and militia are some of the few jobs still around in Gaza. Alot of the dead are Interior Security, which is police. They are bombing all government compounds, police, militia, and administration. They are also hitting gas stations.
The 60 confirmed civilians are woman and children. They can't confirm whether the dead men are police, militia or civilian.
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[QUOTE=Thlis][argument for both sides] My religious ass deserves to be here [/argument for both sides][/QUOTE]
No, it's not. The underlining issue is politics and boarders. Religion is just being used as a method of gaining support, and control.
Not gonna make a new thread for this
[highlight]Cynthia McKinney attempts to liberate Gaza[/highlight]
[quote] The yacht carrying former US Congresscritter and Green Party Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney tried to outmaneuver an Israeli navy gunboat off Gaza early Tuesday morning. The yacht rammed into the Israeli gunboat, which then turned it around and sent it back to Cyprus.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said the boat ignored an Israeli radio order to turn back early Tuesday. He said the boat tried to outmaneuver the navy ship and crashed into it, lightly damaging both vessels. The navy then escorted the boat to the territorial waters of Cyprus.[/quote]
[url]http://www.byroncrawford.com/2008/12/cynthia-mckinney-attempts-to-liberate-gaza.html[/url]
thats gangster as fuck
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Organizations like hamas wouldn't even exist if Israel didn't go out of their way to make Palestinian life hell.
Israel is [b]not[/b] doing the right think by any means by further propagating resent towards themselves by commiting [b]genocide[/b]
and stop saying "neither is palestine", no fucking shit hamas isn't innocent, but the citizens are.[/QUOTE]
Organizations like Hamas wouldn't exist if Jews didn't exist. Ever since Israel was formed as a place for Jews, who had know where else to go, the Arabs have been trying to kill them. Israel has had missiles being shot at their buses, schools, women and children and whenever they fight back the Palestinians call Israel evil because of civilian deaths. But it's impossible to avoid these deaths because Hamas hide behind the women and children in their country. What's Israel supposed to do? Let themselves be destroyed? If Israel doesn't commit to this fully we'll end up right back where we started, and that's definitely [b]not[/b] an option.
[QUOTE=Dank Dave]Organizations like Hamas wouldn't exist if Jews didn't exist. Ever since Israel was formed as a place for Jews, who had know where else to go, the Arabs have been trying to kill them. Israel has had missiles being shot at their buses, schools, women and children and whenever they fight back the Palestinians call Israel evil because of civilian deaths. But it's impossible to avoid these deaths because Hamas hide behind the women and children in their country. What's Israel supposed to do? Let themselves be destroyed? If Israel doesn't commit to this fully we'll end up right back where we started, and that's definitely [b]not[/b] an option.[/QUOTE]
Some one needs to learn them some more books :downs:
[QUOTE=Zeke129]Fire rockets back.[/QUOTE]
They did, the world raged at them.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]sorry i'm pretty sure it's the other way around[/QUOTE]
WE DON't HAVE ANYMORE GUNS WHAT HAPPENED :downs:
I'm really pissed off at the people at my school, they all join groups for Israel against Palestine.
One group created a few days ago encouraged more attacks on Gaza, another wanted Facebook to not include Palestine as a region...
The only confirmed civilians are women and children. Not many other jobs are going in Gaza apart from interior security or milita.
[QUOTE=person11]I'm really pissed off at the people at my school, they all join groups for Israel against Palestine.
One group created a few days ago encouraged more attacks on Gaza, another wanted Facebook to not include Palestine as a region...[/QUOTE]
Make a group in support of Palestine if that is what you believe.
[QUOTE=Dank Dave]Organizations like Hamas wouldn't exist if Jews didn't exist. Ever since Israel was formed as a place for Jews, who had know where else to go, the Arabs have been trying to kill them. Israel has had missiles being shot at their buses, schools, women and children and whenever they fight back the Palestinians call Israel evil because of civilian deaths. But it's impossible to avoid these deaths because Hamas hide behind the women and children in their country. What's Israel supposed to do? Let themselves be destroyed? If Israel doesn't commit to this fully we'll end up right back where we started, and that's definitely [b]not[/b] an option.[/QUOTE]
I'm borrowing this.
[quote=Chippays]Haha holy shit you're dumb. [/quote]
That someone is you.
[QUOTE=Dank Dave]NO U[/QUOTE]
sorry that was a bad zing and you should feel bad
I'm going to join one, if there IS one.
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