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(insert derogatory comment about the young age of most facepunchers here)[/QUOTE]
At what age do most kids learn about Cyprus?
It can't be very old, since you're right here.
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[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Because you would notice that I tried to end it in each one.
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Fine, because having the last word is so important to you, and whoever you are trying to impress here, I will leave.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how you "let me have the last word" in [I]yet another[/I] reply about the same subject.
Good job.
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]The posts I have made about the map have been ones telling you to shut up about it already.
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Notice they are all from the same day.[/QUOTE]
Notice they aren't. FAIL.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Sorry, Hamas wouldn't exist if Israelis didn't take the land the Palestinians have lived on for centuries and relegate them to second-class citizens in their own country.
Facepunch history lesson[/QUOTE]
No one turned the Palestinians into "second-class citizens". Palestine was split (relatively) in half, and while the Palestinians didn't have to leave the Jewish half, Israel was meant to be a Jewish state. The Jews who survived the holocaust had no place to go, so why not give them a small country in a land where their people have [b]always[/b] lived.
I'm not exactly an Israel fan, but I hate Palestine.
Why the hell would anyone ever side with them anyway?
All they do is suicide bomb our shit.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett]I'm not exactly an Israel fan, but I hate Palestine.
Why the hell would anyone ever side with them anyway?
All they do is suicide bomb our shit.[/QUOTE]
Just when I thought no one could a dumber post in this thread
[QUOTE=Dank Dave]No one turned the Palestinians into "second-class citizens". Palestine was split (relatively) in half, and while the Palestinians didn't have to leave the Jewish half, Israel was meant to be a Jewish state. The Jews who survived the holocaust had no place to go, so why not give them a small country in a land where their people have [b]always[/b] lived.[/QUOTE]
1.) The country might have been split in half, but there is nothing "even" about giving land Palestians had lived in for centuries to an occupying power.
2.)Jews had not always lived in Palestine. They only came there in any signifigant numbers during the 20th century. Prior to that they had been scattered for over a millenium by the Romans.
3.)Why not give them that land? Because it belonged to someone else.
4.)Israelis turned the Palestines into second-class citizens by denying them rights.
Hope this helps.
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[QUOTE=Conscript]Just when I thought no one could a dumber post in this thread[/QUOTE]
There's [I]always[/I] someone stupider.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett]I'm not exactly an Israel fan, but I hate Palestine.
Why the hell would anyone ever side with them anyway?
All they do is suicide bomb our shit.[/QUOTE]
we should show those godless pigs suicide bombing is wrong by bombing children and civilians
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fuck yeah bombing brown people
[QUOTE=Chippays]1.) The country might have been split in half, but there is nothing "even" about giving land Palestians had lived in for centuries to an occupying power.
2.)Jews had not always lived in Palestine. They only came there in any signifigant numbers during the 20th century. Prior to that they had been scattered for over a millenium by the Romans.
3.)Why not give them that land? Because it belonged to someone else.
4.)Israelis turned the Palestines into second-class citizens by denying them rights.
Hope this helps.
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There's [I]always[/I] someone stupider.[/QUOTE]
By the way, the term Palestinian refers to everyone living in the area, Jewish or Arab. And there is actually nothing culturally separating Arabs in Isreal from Arabs in any of the neighboring countries, so Palestinian Nationalism is a farce. Muslims actually have higher standards of living in Israel than in any of the neighboring countries.
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The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict.[/QUOTE]
Guys, stop being fucktards and arguing in this thread.
If you really support HAMAS, go become a mercernary and fight for them. They would glady accept anyone.
[I](Just you better hope you don't get blown up too quickly...)[/I]
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]By the way, the term Palestinian refers to everyone living in the area, Jewish or Arab. And there is actually nothing culturally separating Arabs in Isreal from Arabs in any of the neighboring countries, so Palestinian Nationalism is a farce.[/QUOTE]
It does. But it also refers to the original inhabitents of that land, the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians] Palestinian People[/url] rather than [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jew] the Palestinian Jews[/url] or if you want to use the Nationality most assigned themselves, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis] Israelis.[/url] That doesn't make Palestinian nationalism a 'farce' though.
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[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Muslims actually have higher standards of living in Israel than in any of the neighboring countries.[/QUOTE]
Unless they live in the Gaza strip, in which case the fact they can't go into Israel to work might affect their standard of living.
By the way, do you have a source for that, or are you just making things up?
[QUOTE=Chippays]It does. But it also refers to the original inhabitents of that land, the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians] Palestinian People[/url] rather than [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jew] the Palestinian Jews[/url] or if you want to use the Nationality most assigned themselves, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis] Israelis.[/url] That doesn't make Palestinian nationalism a 'farce' though.
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Unless they live in the Gaza strip, in which case the fact they can't go into Israel to work might affect their standard of living.
By the way, do you have a source for that, or are you just making things up?[/QUOTE]
Palestinian nationalism = Arab nationalism
Do you truly believe that Israel, a country that has proven time and time again to be able to withstand overwhelming military odds, would have a problem with tiny Palestine at all if this wasn't a conflict with Saudi Arabia and Iran?
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Palestinian nationalism = Arab nationalism[/QUOTE]
Actually Palestinian Nationalism = The desire to have a Palestinian state.
Palestinian Nationalism might be related to Arab Nationalism, but it's different in the fact it relates to Palestinians.
Hope this helps you understand.
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[QUOTE=R3conmaster]
Do you truly believe that Israel, a country that has proven time and time again to be able to withstand overwhelming military odds, would have a problem with tiny Palestine at all if this wasn't a conflict with Saudi Arabia and Iran?[/QUOTE]
Other than the fact I said nothing relating to that, yes. The Palestinians have shown repeatedly their ability to resist Israel. 'Tiny Palestine' have a population of several million.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]And that makes it okay to do! And once again I'd like to reiterate the fact that Israel makes no effort to avoid civilian casualties.
And do is seriously have to quote this again...
[img]http://djiin.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/dailymail_humanshield.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Hey, i'd do it too.
They throw rocks at my reinforced jewp and their ass pays, kid shmid.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Actually Palestinian Nationalism = The desire to have a Palestinian state.
Palestinian Nationalism might be related to Arab Nationalism, but it's different in the fact it relates to Palestinians.
Hope this helps you understand.[/QUOTE]
Palestine (for Arabs) = Syria = Saudi Arabia = Etc.
[QUOTE=Lawrence Uniglicht] The Arabs conveniently ignore the more than obvious fact that Israel’s land mass, two tenths of one percent the size of its surrounding mostly Muslim mostly anti-Semitic Middle East neighborhood, is virtually the only place that Jews are welcome. Furthermore, more than one million Jews were forced to leave their homes and were booted out of Muslim regimes. ? Aren’t such Arabs a trifle ashamed that Israel boasts a high standard of living, has contributed so much to science and other technologies, remains a flourishing first world democracy attracting outside investors such as Donald Trump and Warren Buffet, even though she must struggle daily to protect herself from hostile Muslim neighbors, some even willing to blow themselves up while screaming ‘God is Great’, while such ‘refugee Arabs’ continue to live in squalor after six decades and their families remain hopelessly dependent on the kindness of Western strangers, euphemistically called relief agencies, for hand outs? [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Palestine (for Arabs) = Syria = Saudi Arabia = Etc.[/QUOTE]
Actually Palestine, for Palestinians = the whole of Palestine. As per the name, Palestinian Nationalism. Unless you think Austrian Nationalism is irrelevant because they're ethnically German. In which case it would probably be best to learn what you're talking about.
I'm not even going to address your quote since it labels the Muslims as Anti-Semetic. Whereas in reality Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc are all Semetic people. It also ignores the fact that Jews are welcome in just about every single first world country in the world.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Actually Palestine, for Palestinians, equals the whole of Palestine.
I'm not even going to address your quote since it labels the Muslims as Anti-Semetic. Whereas in reality Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc are all Semetic people. It also ignores the fact that Jews are welcome in just about every single first world country in the world.[/QUOTE]
Explain to me why Arab Palestinians going to any of the many neighboring countries where they speak their language and practice their customs is worse then Israeli's going halfway across the world to nations with different languages and different customs.
And obviously you are not Jewish, or, if you are, you live in a particularly tolerant place, because Jews are in fact not welcome in many countries. Ever see Borat?
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Explain to me why Arab Palestinians going to any of the many neighboring countries where they speak their language and practice their customs is worse then Israeli's going halfway across the world to nations with different languages and different customs.
And obviously you are not Jewish, or, if you are, you live in a particularly tolerant place, because Jews are in fact not welcome in many countries. Ever see Borat?[/QUOTE]
Maybe because they're invading and occupying land that's been inhabited by a separate people for over a thousand years.
And you're right, Jews are not welcome in a lot of places. However as I said, the vast majority of First world Countries (notably America, which gets more Jewish immigrants than Israel as per the last listing I checked.) In addition, the fact that some countries aren't very accepting of Jews is not an excuse to conquer land held by another people, nor is it an excuse to bulldoze villages and replace Palestinian communities with Jewish settlers.
And sorry, a comedy film doesn't mean that Jews aren't welcome in America, it simply means that they're subject to being made fun of in the same way the French, the Germans, the Japanese, and the Chinese have been for years.
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And you're right, Jews are not welcome in a lot of places. However as I said, the vast majority of First world Countries (notably America, which gets more Jewish immigrants than Israel as per the last listing I checked) [/QUOTE]
Um, Borat takes place in America
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And sorry, a comedy film doesn't mean that Jews aren't welcome in America, it simply means that they're subject to being made fun of in the same way the French, the Germans, the Japanese, and the Chinese have been for years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you obviously didn't understand who Borat was actually making fun of (hint, it was the anti-semitic people in the US)
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Um, Borat takes place in America
Yeah, you obviously didn't understand who Borat was actually making fun of (hint, it was the anti-semitic people in the US)[/QUOTE]
Which is why I addressed that in my post.
And I'm fully aware of who Borat was "actually" making fun of, but that doesn't change the fact he made fun of Jews in the movie too.
Maybe you should get some sleep, your arguments have gotten steadily worse each time you post.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Which is why I addressed that in my post.
And I'm fully aware of who Borat was "actually" making fun of, but that doesn't change the fact he made fun of Jews in the movie too.
Maybe you should get some sleep, your arguments have gotten steadily worse each time you post.[/QUOTE]
The only place on Earth where the Jewish people can truly live without anti-semitism is Israel. And your constant insistence that your arguments are better than mine and anyone else that disagrees with almighty you is arrogant and condescending.
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]The only place on Earth where the Jewish people can truly live without anti-semitism is Israel. And your constant insistence that your arguments are better than mine and anyone else that disagrees with almighty you is arrogant and condescending.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Jewish people face Anti-semetism in Israel too. You're obviously going to face less bias in your everyday life if you segregate yourselves into a community only populated with others like you and evict all those who don't fit. Don't worry thoguh, you're still going to face it, and in fact inspire more. That's one of the reasons why segregating Black people into ghettos didn't promote mutal understanding and kindness.
Once again though, that doesn't mean that the vast majority of nations aren't accepting to Jews, and it doesn't mean that they instantly have a right to invade any country they want.
The problem with this conflict is that there are either people that think Israel is always right and can do whatever it wants, and then there are people that see absolutely no reason for its existence. Actually, the area at the time belonged to the British, who could do as they see fit. Just as America currently belongs to the US, not to Native Americans. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it's legal and it's fact.
[quote]We need intervention, NOW, not in January 2. It's pathetic and sad how Israeli is continuing pounding on innoncent civillians, ESPECIALLY children and women because of religious extremists, which practically exists EVERYWHERE.[/quote]
God damn it, I have quite had it with you morons and your inability to understand what the hell is going on there.
Hamas is purposely placing their rocket and artillery crews inside their own civilian's homes and businesses. Their idea is to force Israel to kill civilians to neutralize the threats. Meanwhile Hamas is firing those rockets and artillery into Israel, killing innocent civilians. [b]It is 100% Hamas' fault their civilians are being killed by these air raids because they have the audacity to place those rockets in the middle of these homes and families.[/b] Then the world has the stupidity to condemn Israel and completely ignoring Hamas and their actions prior to the results.
Think outside the box (if you are capable of it: ) What if Mexico suddenly decided it would launch rockets into the U.S. and hide those rockets inside the homes of civilian families? What if ANY country decides to launch rockets at a neighbor's civilian population and hide those rockets inside a family's home? No country is going to stand back and let their own civilians get killed because of such a petty shield. If the civilians are killed because of a retaliation to destroy those rocket threats, the country at fault is the one firing those rockets, not the one retaliating. So in this case, this is Hamas' fault, not Israel.
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Now the counter I know will come is "But Israel shouldn't exist!" I agree it shouldn't exist, [u]but the fact is that it's there, we can't go back in time to fix it, and we can't let another holocaust happen because that WILL happen if Israel is overrun by any of its neighbors.[/u] Anyone who doesn't think so needs to get the sand out of their eyes.
I do not see an end to this conflict for the foreseeable future.
Hamas said time and time again they would cease firing rockets if Israel honoured the original territorial agreements established with the creation of the state.
But what does Israel do? It carries on shitting all over the place, expanding and occupying Palestinian land illegally while committing crimes against humanity.
And all Palestine can do to defend it's self is to build shit home made rockets. Because we're turning a convenient, hypocritical blind eye. While Israel gets to run amok with this gunboat diplomacy.
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Hamas is purposely placing their rocket and artillery crews inside their own civilian's homes and businesses. Their idea is to force Israel to kill civilians to neutralize the threats. Meanwhile Hamas is firing those rockets and artillery into Israel, killing innocent civilians.[/QUOTE]
If you read the article you would see that [b]4[/b] Israelis have been killed by Hamas rocket attacks, while [i]at[/i] least 60 Palestinian civilians have been killed in the past few weeks by Israel trying to stop the attacks.
I'm pretty sure that these rockets aren't dangerous enough to justify killing civilians to stop from being fired.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]If you read the article you would see that [b]4[/b] Israelis have been killed by Hamas rocket attacks, while [i]at[/i] least 60 Palestinian civilians have been killed in the past few weeks by Israel trying to stop the attacks.
I'm pretty sure that these rockets aren't dangerous enough to justify killing civilians to stop from being fired.[/QUOTE]
You'd feel differently if you were in their situation. And the 4 were intentional, the 60 were not.
You're still accountable for civilian casualties. Especially if you're using excessive force.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda]If you read the article you would see that [b]4[/b] Israelis have been killed by Hamas rocket attacks, while [i]at[/i] least 60 Palestinian civilians have been killed in the past few weeks by Israel trying to stop the attacks.
I'm pretty sure that these rockets aren't dangerous enough to justify killing civilians to stop from being fired.[/QUOTE]
Would you like it if somebody kept launching rockets into your town? Even if it isn't killing many people, that is still very tense, very frightening, very disturbing, more if your country isn't willing to retaliate. Hamas has got to learn one way or another to stop putting their civilians in the line of fire.
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine]Would you like it if somebody kept launching rockets into your town? Even if it isn't killing many people, that is still very tense, very frightening, very disturbing, more if your country isn't willing to retaliate. Hamas has got to learn one way or another to stop putting their civilians in the line of fire.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how bombings that will only destroy lives and make Hamas stronger will teach them a lesson. If anything, Israel is doing exactly what Hamas wants.
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