[QUOTE=acds]This.
We don't know what exactly is happening down there, and newspapers are unreliable because they always make the situation look worse than what it is.
Also, if you don't live there, you can't know how the situation is, so of course we don't understand how the Israelis (and Palestinians) feel, if we did, maybe we would not even be arguing about this, so let's stop arguing, until we experience what it is like we should not be saying "don't invade, don't bomb" or "invade and bomb", since we would probably change idea very quickly if a missile dropped a few meters from your house.[/QUOTE]
Uh no, you can. It's easy to connect the dots, draw parallels and extrapolate these things. Israel should have accepted this truce and opened negotiations with Hamas, who frankly are a manifestation of palestinian anger towards Israel. And we kind of do know what's going on 'down there' a lot of journalists have already interviewed palestinians on the chaos.
[QUOTE=acds]but even if it costs civillian lives, they have to.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=acds]but it's also hard not to harm civillians when you have to bomb a building in the middle of a city [/QUOTE]
i especially like these parts of your posts
[QUOTE=starpluck]I was bored, so I decided to visit FacePunch. Seriously stop posting bullcrap, leave.
It shows, look how much I typed with an "on screen keyboard"[/QUOTE]
I will leave due to your almighty smartness level.
[QUOTE=Conscript]What the hell are you bitching about[/QUOTE]
He's an Israeli. :eng101:
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]He's an Israeli. :eng101:[/QUOTE]
So, are all Israelis that condescending and narrow minded?
[QUOTE=Western_Open]I will leave due to your almighty smartness level.[/QUOTE]
Its about time.
[QUOTE=Conscript]Uh no, you can. It's easy to connect the dots, draw parallels and extrapolate these things. Israel should have accepted this truce and opened negotiations with Hamas, who frankly are a manifestation of palestinian anger towards Israel. And we kind of do know what's going on 'down there' a lot of journalists have already interviewed palestinians on the chaos.[/QUOTE]
Oh right a Palestinian, i'm sure his opinion isn't biased...
But i meant that we can't understand what the Israelis feel about all this, and don't lie to yourself, you would bomb the shit out of somebody who blows your house up and kills your family, even if it is wrong very few wouldn't.
[QUOTE=Conscript]So, are all Israelis that condescending and narrow minded?[/QUOTE]
Are all humans that?
[QUOTE=Conscript]So, are all Israelis that condescending and narrow minded?[/QUOTE]
Nope.
[b]Edit:[/b]
[QUOTE=acds]Oh right a Palestinian, i'm sure his opinion isn't biased...[/QUOTE]
And an Israeli's opinion isn't biased in one way or another, too? :downs:
[QUOTE=acds]But i meant that we can't understand what the Israelis feel about all this, and don't lie to yourself, you would bomb the shit out of somebody who blows your house up and kills your family, even if it is wrong very few wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
Well to be honest, if someone bombed my house I'd nerdrage and probably destroy more. But you see, that method hasn't been working. At all I believe.
[QUOTE=starpluck]Its about time.[/QUOTE]
I'm back from Florida!
[QUOTE=acds]Oh right a Palestinian, i'm sure his opinion isn't biased...
But i meant that we can't understand what the Israelis feel about all this, and don't lie to yourself, you would bomb the shit out of somebody who blows your house up and kills your family, even if it is wrong very few wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
would you agree if i said someone should just nuke the gaza strip
[QUOTE=acds]Oh right a Palestinian, i'm sure his opinion isn't biased...
But i meant that we can't understand what the Israelis feel about all this, and don't lie to yourself, you would bomb the shit out of somebody who blows your house up and kills your family, even if it is wrong very few wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
Heh, I'm not a Palestinian. What made you think that. Even if I was it'd be dumb just to dismiss me as 'biased' because that doesn't mean I don't have merit.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What's your point?
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]would you agree if i said someone should just nuke the gaza strip[/QUOTE]
No[b] [/b].
Israel and HAMAS AND Iran are all fucking idiots.
Israel don't stop killing civilians, always have always will they just don't give a shit who they shoot.
HAMAS won't stop fighting simply because they want Israel back and have absolutely no hope in hell in getting it.
And Iran have always been lying to themselves about how powerful they are.
Leave them all to it I say, truce starts truce ends truce starts truce ends truce starts truce ends.
I'm fucking sick of hearing about it.
And for some reason the British are at the Gaza strip, hopefully for humanitarian aid.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Nope.
[b]Edit:[/b]
And an Israeli's opinion isn't biased in one way or another, too? :downs:
Well to be honest, if someone bombed my house I'd nerdrage and probably destroy more. But you see, that method hasn't been working. At all I believe.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it is biased too, therefore we don't really know what is going on down there.
Yeah, the method hasn't been working, but it is understandable that they are angry at Palestinians, and that they are reacting this agressively, they are humans and behave as such.
[QUOTE=Conscript]Heh, I'm not a Palestinian. What made you think that
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
"a lot of journalists have already interviewed palestinians on the chaos."
He meant that, not that you are a Palestinian.
[quote=purvisdavid1]But the last time I checked, escalation in Iraq has gone down drastically, and we're giving more provinces over to Iraqi soldiers faster than we thought. I think they're all diverting their funds to Afghanistan now because they've been more active there now.[/quote]
I will not deny this, not at all. However, the situation is changed. The Palenstins are walled in by the Israel and treated like a second-class citizen. Israel could give less fuck about them. At least US Soldiers gave Iraqi aids and got rid of a dictator. Israel? Boxed them in, extremists continue to rocket them as they don't give a fuck for the civillians, and so they strike back with huger rockets from an F-16.
[quote=purvisdavid1]Ok. God dammit. War is war. People die in war, get the FUCK over it. Nothing is going prevent a school, or hospital from being accidentally or purposely bombed. Nothing will bring back the dead, those that deserved it and those that were just innocent.
Was the US bullies when we dropped Fat man and Little boy on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Some say it was extreme, but with the risk of losing over half a million US soldiers in a Japanese invasion, they chose to force surrender by inflicting mass civilian death. It's not right, but it happens, sadly. You can't change the fact that war is a bloody and horrible thing. I'm drawing a parallel from Israel today and the Japan of the 1940's, with some differences yes. [/quote]
Of course. War is horrid and undoubtedly will inflict innocent causualities. This is why almost every civil nation tries to avoid as best as they can. And in my opinion, it's not parellel. They were at WAR and had ARMY to fight against. Not to mention, back then, Japanese soldiers did so many horrible things ( Mass rape, death marches, and etc. ) US couldn't see them as human beings. They had no choice on this, they already had immense deaths of their soldiers from Germany, they couldn't afford more from Japan.
[quote=purvisdavid1]That's why Israel shouldn't be blindly bombing Gaza. The US has smart bombs and JDAM's, why can they use them? Seriously, it'd reduce the casualties by a good bit of people. But this is where I'm greatly angered. Hamas is a bunch of pussies. They hide behind the innocent and when civilians die, they say that Israel is a horrible, murderous country full of people who don't deserve their land. Hamas, though, needs to be eradicated. People like them only cause problems, not solve them.[/quote]
THIS IS MY POINT. I fully agree with you in this paragraph. I'm not condemning Israel for defending themselves, all nations have their right to. I'm condemning them because they're not trying to avoid civillian deaths. Israel is not using guidable missiles to attack terrorists. Instead they're blindly bombing a university, numerous buildings, and innocents because they don't give a fuck. They're doing noting positive to the civillians. At least send in some aids, do an [i]actual[/i] peace talk, and try to (although, I suspect almost impossible) negotiate with the Palestines to help them get rid of Hamas. They're not, they just want to keep bombing civillian hotspots in hope they score.
[QUOTE=Western_Open]"a lot of journalists have already interviewed palestinians on the chaos."
He meant that, not that you are a Palestinian.[/QUOTE]
Well the second part still applies
[quote=Conscript]Even if I was it'd be dumb just to dismiss me as 'biased' because that doesn't mean I don't have merit.[/quote]
minus the 'I'
This always happens, Hamas does a bunch of shit to Israel DURING a truce, they get into a war. Israel attacks Hamas, the media blows it way out of proportion, Hamas kills hundreds of Israeli citizens, no one says anything. Then Israel starts really kicking Hamas' ass and Hamas wants a truce. But why? Not so they can spare the bloodshed, but so they can rearm, regroup and attack Israel again. And unless the two parties end it now, this is gonna go on forever.
[QUOTE=Western_Open]You're playing the PS3 and auguring for your peoples lives, that is epic man.
The king of multi-tasking, killing Covenant and keeping the people of Palestinian safe.[/QUOTE]
The Covenant are from Halo, which is on the Xbox360. :downs:
Unless there is another game with Covenant in it.
[QUOTE=GyroburnerV2]The Covenant are from Halo, which is on the Xbox360. :downs:
Unless there is another game with Covenant in it.[/QUOTE]
I knew this would happen, I mainly said Covenant for loling.
[QUOTE=Conscript]Well the second part still applies
minus the 'I'[/QUOTE]
Yes, sure, but we can't really trust Israelis or Palestinians on the details like if the Israelis are bombing houses on purpose, and if they are, if it is the pilot (wrong, but understandable) or if they are orders from command (wrong and bad, they should be above that).
[QUOTE=Western_Open]I will leave due to your almighty smartness level.[/QUOTE]
all your arguments are invalid becasue your avatar has no transparency
[QUOTE=gnome]You know, because killing a few civilians here and there isn't a big deal, right? "Limit civilian casualties"? How about do away with them completely.[b] If they knew what they were doing there would not be civilian casualties.[/b][/QUOTE]
You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. That's like saying "If Michael Jordon knew how to play Basketball, he wouldn't miss any shots"
Mistakes happen, this isn't a video-game. And to those people saying "WITH OUR MILITARY TECH TRACKING THE BOMBS IS EASY :downs:" Stop talking, PLEASE.
You don't just press a magical button and a sign pops up on a map saying "BOMB HERE"
:argh:
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]all your arguments are invalid becasue your avatar has no transparency[/QUOTE]
:( nooo
[QUOTE=Western_Open]I knew this would happen, I mainly said Covenant for loling.[/QUOTE]
Also I just noticed that it should have been the people of Palestine not Palestinian.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude]I will not deny this, not at all. However, the situation is changed. The Palenstins are walled in by the Israel and treated like a second-class citizen. Israel could give less fuck about them. At least US Soldiers gave Iraqi aids and got rid of a dictator. Israel? Boxed them in, extremists continue to rocket them as they don't give a fuck for the civillians, and so they strike back with huger rockets from an F-16.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow that's nothing new at all. This is basically a mind game on the civilian majority, and what Israel wants is the civilian majority oust Hamas, but I don't see that happening.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude]Of course. War is horrid and undoubtedly will inflict innocent causualities. This is why almost every civil nation tries to avoid as best as they can. And in my opinion, it's not parellel. They were at WAR and had ARMY to fight against. Not to mention, back then, Japanese soldiers did so many horrible things ( Mass rape, death marches, and etc. ) US couldn't see them as human beings. They had no choice on this, they already had immense deaths of their soldiers from Germany, they couldn't afford more from Japan.[/QUOTE]
No no, I wasn't drawing a parallel of the wars, but of what would happen if they invaded. They'd be met by so many civilians angered about their planes bombing their builds, schools, mosques, that it'd be a bad idea to send a ground incursion.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude]THIS IS MY POINT. I fully agree with you in this paragraph. I'm not condemning Israel for defending themselves, all nations have their right to. I'm condemning them because they're not trying to avoid civillian deaths. Israel is not using guidable missiles to attack terrorists. Instead they're blindly bombing a university, numerous buildings, and innocents because they don't give a fuck. They're doing noting positive to the civillians. At least send in some aids, do an [i]actual[/i] peace talk, and try to (although, I suspect almost impossible) negotiate with the Palestines to help them get rid of Hamas. They're not, they just want to keep bombing civillian hotspots in hope they score.[/QUOTE]
I'm also saddened that this is turned into a Religious war, between Muslims and Jews. Oh wow, they're both men of the same god, they just believe in some things a little differently, lets fucking have a war about it!
To be honest, why do Muslims hold Israel which such anger and spite? In the Bible, it said the Land of Israel was for the Jews, and they had their nation sacked and stolen like, 5 fucking times. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all hold the city in mass esteem, but Muslims don't hold it with THAT much significance, their most holy cities are Medina and Mecca after all, why do they want to fight for their land near Israel so badly? I've never understood this, can someone explain this to me?
[QUOTE=acds]Yes, sure, but we can't really trust Israelis or Palestinians on the details like if the Israelis are bombing houses on purpose, and if they are, if it is the pilot (wrong, but understandable) or if they are orders from command (wrong and bad, they should be above that).[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but it would still be ignorant to dismiss them as biased. It would make more sense to consider it, and if you were to use it in an argument, cross-reference it to back it up.
As for Israeli's bombing houses on purpose, it could be, Palestinian hospitals are incredibly overwhelmed by injured.
[quote=purvisdavid1]To be honest, why do Muslims hold Israel which such anger and spite? In the Bible, it said the Land of Israel was for the Jews, and they had their nation sacked and stolen like, 5 fucking times. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all hold the city in mass esteem, but Muslims don't hold it with THAT much significance, their most holy cities are Medina and Mecca after all, why do they want to fight for their land near Israel so badly? I've never understood this, can someone explain this to me?[/quote]
Okay, let's say someone came and bulldozed your house then when you confront them about it they say "A book said it was my divine right to own this plot of land". Would you accept that? I'm not sure about you, but I don't think many people would. This is showing with the Palestinian's hostility towards Israel. As for the other arab nations' hatred, that could either be a simple hatred of jews, sympathy for the palestinians, or both.
[QUOTE=Western_Open]Of course HAMAS is different than that eh.[/QUOTE]
So you think they're both the same? Glad we agree.
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