• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=Titan!]Mistakes happen, this isn't a video-game. And to those people saying "WITH OUR MILITARY TECH TRACKING THE BOMBS IS EASY :downs:" Stop talking, PLEASE. You don't just press a magical button and a sign pops up on a map saying "BOMB HERE" :argh:[/QUOTE] I hope that wasn't directed at me, because I said JDAM's/Smart bombs would cause [b]less[/b] civilian death, not completely remove civilian death.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]I hope that wasn't directed at me, because I said JDAM's/Smart bombs would cause [b]less[/b] civilian death, not completely remove civilian death.[/QUOTE] No, that was directed at some other tard who said that Israel can pin-point wherever rockets are fired from. If they had taken 5 seconds to think about how incredibly dumb that sounded before they said anything, they'd have realized that Israel wouldn't be bombing such a broad strip of land if they knew where the rockets were being fired from.
[QUOTE=Titan!]No, that was directed at some other tard who said that Israel can pin-point wherever rockets are fired from. If they had taken 5 seconds to think about how incredibly dumb that sounded before they said anything, they'd have realized that Israel wouldn't be bombing such a broad strip of land if they knew where the rockets were being fired from.[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry. :downs:
I see two ways this can end - the two extremes. Peace, or really fucking brutal war. If they keep going through this loop of death and ceasefires, it's not going to stop. Thanks to religion, I don't see peace happening.
[QUOTE=acds]This. We don't know what exactly is happening down there, and newspapers are unreliable because they always make the situation look worse than what it is. Also, if you don't live there, you can't know how the situation is, so of course we don't understand how the Israelis (and Palestinians) feel, if we did, maybe we would not even be arguing about this, so let's stop arguing, until we experience what it is like we should not be saying "don't invade, don't bomb" or "invade and bomb", since we would probably change idea very quickly if a missile dropped a few meters from your house. By the way, this applies to me too, so i will stop argiung about this.[/QUOTE] The only thing living there would get us is an extremely biased and one sided view from either side, and those are hardly ever more accurate than reporters. Of course we can comment on the situation somewhere we don't live. We have access to all the news sources they do, so short of a ninja infiltration of Hamas HQ to see what the deal is, and ninja infiltration of Israels capital, we have just as much of a right to talk about this as anyone living there. Tell me, what advantages of perspective does one gain by having a bomb dropped on them or conversely, hating the people your dropping bombs on? [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Metanoia]I see two ways this can end - the two extremes. Peace, or really fucking brutal war. If they keep going through this loop of death and ceasefires, it's not going to stop. Thanks to religion, I don't see peace happening.[/QUOTE] Israel and Hamas are like two retarded children bickering over a cookie.
We should stay out of it. Let them settle their own differences.
Won't somebody think of the children? This is kinda the expression I get by the Israelian actions. [img]http://normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/CombatBoots_BeitHanoun112006.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Metanoia]I see two ways this can end - the two extremes. Peace, or really fucking brutal war. If they keep going through this loop of death and ceasefires, it's not going to stop. Thanks to religion, I don't see peace happening.[/QUOTE] Exclude Islam please, because what Hamas teaches is a perversion of a peaceful religion for their means. Islam teaches respect for those who are of the Christian or Hebrew bible's followers, not hatred and angst towards them.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1] Ok. God dammit. War is war. People die in war, get the FUCK over it. Nothing is going prevent a school, or hospital from being accidentally or purposely bombed. Nothing will bring back the dead, those that deserved it and those that were just innocent. Was the US bullies when we dropped Fat man and Little boy on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Some say it was extreme, but with the risk of losing over half a million US soldiers in a Japanese invasion, they chose to force surrender by inflicting mass civilian death. It's not right, but it happens, sadly. You can't change the fact that war is a bloody and horrible thing. I'm drawing a parallel from Israel today and the Japan of the 1940's, with some differences yes. [/QUOTE] Just because my country bombed Japan doesn't mean I think it's right. And I sure as hell doesn't mean it was right just because it happened. You can't justify something just by saying "Well, it's been done before, so it's okay." I do realize that you specifically said "it's not right", but it still sounds like you're trying to justify it. "It just happens" is not a good attitude toward this subject.
[QUOTE=gnome]Just because my country bombed Japan doesn't mean I think it's right. And I sure as hell doesn't mean it was right just because it happened. You can't justify something just by saying "Well, it's been done before, so it's okay." I do realize that you specifically said "it's not right", but it still sounds like you're trying to justify it. "It just happens" is not a good attitude toward this subject.[/QUOTE] My country aswell. See, just because we did it doesn't mean it was right, but it was a strategic move. Kill the countries spirit, and we win the war. Israel is trying that I think, only it's failing.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Exclude Islam please, because what Hamas teaches is a perversion of a peaceful religion for their means. Islam teaches respect for those who are of the Christian or Hebrew bible's followers, not hatred and angst towards them.[/QUOTE] I tell you, when it wants to be peaceful, it can. When it wants to NUKE FEKKIN EVRETHING it can too. Such is the virtue of having a book that's so fucking vague you could support genocide of anything. Though I like the old testament more. That one is almost specifically horrible and violent and people still twist it for peace. I love religion. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1]My country aswell. See, just because we did it doesn't mean it was right, but it was a strategic move. Kill the countries spirit, and we win the war. Israel is trying that I think, only it's failing.[/QUOTE] Does no one know the difference between a government run military and a rage powered guerrilla terrorist group? You can nuke military bases and goodbye military base, you bomb a bunch of civilians and you get more fucking enemies and a lot of pissed of countries. Fuck Israel and fuck Hamas, they're both complete dickwads.
Wow you're completely misinterpreting my parallel between Japan and Hamas. Sending in Israel soldiers to Gaza would be a near death trap, they're on Hamas' home turf. Though the Israelis have superior weaponry and armor, and a lot more, the insurgents and guerrillas are crazed, radical, and violent, and they're driven by religious hate. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Endzone]I tell you, when it wants to be peaceful, it can. When it wants to NUKE FEKKIN EVRETHING it can too. Such is the virtue of having a book that's so fucking vague you could support genocide of anything. Though I like the old testament more. That one is almost specifically horrible and violent and people still twist it for peace. I love religion. [/QUOTE] Holy fuck. You're so blindly ignorant. Wow.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1] To be honest, why do Muslims hold Israel which such anger and spite? In the Bible, it said the Land of Israel was for the Jews, and they had their nation sacked and stolen like, 5 fucking times. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all hold the city in mass esteem, but Muslims don't hold it with THAT much significance, their most holy cities are Medina and Mecca after all, why do they want to fight for their land near Israel so badly? I've never understood this, can someone explain this to me?[/QUOTE] Oh, some smelly old book said that the country belonged to the jews over thousand years ago. You expect the current residents to say "Oh sure take half our country which we have lived in for the last thousand year. It doesn't matter if our ancestors are burried here and our homes is here - we'll just walk away and let you have it without even thinking."
[QUOTE=!LORD M!]Oh, some smelly old book said that the country belonged to the jews over thousand years ago. You expect them to say "Oh sure take half our country which we have lived in for the last thousand year. It doesn't matter if our ancestors are burried here and our homes is here - we'll just walk away and let you have it without even thinking."[/QUOTE] There's no reason that one group or another should leave, but the country of Israel SHOULD exist. And that "smell old book" is taken so literally that burning it, stepping on it, or spitting on it can constitute death in an Islamic country.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Wow you're completely misinterpreting my parallel between Japan and Hamas. Sending in Israel soldiers to Gaza would be a near death trap, they're on Hamas' home turf. Though the Israelis have superior weaponry and armor, and a lot more, the insurgents and guerrillas are crazed, radical, and violent, and they're driven by religious hate. [b]Edit:[/b] Holy fuck. You're so blindly ignorant. Wow.[/QUOTE] Do people in this thread have a typing disability or something? Every other post is "Wow. You're so completely dumb it hurts to think about it. You're just so really incredibly stupid if we were talking I would be rendered speechless. Jeebus." [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1]There's no reason that one group or another should leave, but the country of Israel SHOULD exist. And that "smell old book" is taken so literally that burning it, stepping on it, or spitting on it can constitute death in an Islamic country.[/QUOTE] That's like, what, five death sentences for me? Damn, I'm on a role.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Ok. God dammit. War is war. People die in war, get the FUCK over it. Nothing is going prevent a school, or hospital from being accidentally or purposely bombed. Nothing will bring back the dead, those that deserved it and those that were just innocent.[/QUOTE] You can't change the past, but if you change things in the future, you can prevent them happening again.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Do people in this thread have a typing disability or something? Every other post is "Wow. You're so completely dumb it hurts to think about it. You're just so really incredibly stupid if we were talking I would be rendered speechless. Jeebus." [b]Edit:[/b] That's like, what, five death sentences for me? Damn, I'm on a role.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not saying you're stupid because of a "typing disability", I'm saying you're stupid because you don't know a damned thing about Islam, the Qu'Ran, or the Muslim people. You only know the perversions of Islam and terrorists. You're portraying the stereotypical Muslim as a terrorist and as a man who would pledge Jihad on any fucking thing.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]My country aswell. See, just because we did it doesn't mean it was right, but it was a strategic move. Kill the countries spirit, and we win the war. Israel is trying that I think, only it's failing.[/QUOTE] You still sound like you think it's the right thing to do. Like "it's tolerable because it's for the greater good." Well, news for you: [b]IT'S NOT[/b]. :downs: You can try to justify the killing of innocents with twisted moral values, but chances are everyone's going to disagree with you. I value my life, not my country.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]No, I'm not just saying you're stupid because of a "typing disability", I'm saying you're stupid because you don't know a damned thing about Islam, the Qu'Ran, or the Muslim people. You only know the perversions of Islam and terrorists. You've portraying the stereotypical Muslim as a terrorist and as a man who would pledge Jihad on any fucking thing.[/QUOTE] Like I just said, they're using it to support war, you want to use it to support peace. How is that any different than what I said? And where did I say it was a religion of jihadists? Please try to actually read posts before you call them stupid, hmm?
[QUOTE=starpluck] I am Palestinian [/QUOTE] Great, someone with firsthand knowledge. [QUOTE=starpluck] The US Media is "Jew-Owned".[/QUOTE] And a healthy dose of classic antisemitism instead. Sigh.
[QUOTE=gnome]You still sound like you think it's the right thing to do. Like "it's tolerable because it's for the greater good." Well, news for you: [b]IT'S NOT[/b]. :downs: You can try to justify the killing of innocents with twisted moral values, but chances are everyone's going to disagree with you.[/QUOTE] What. I never said it was a good thing, the taking of human life is always horrible, but here. You have a choice. Bomb a country and force an unconditional surrender, or send in troops and have them slaughtered. What would you do? Don't be dumb. We'd all choose bombing because it's the best way, not because it's the most humane. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Endzone]Like I just said, they're using it to support war, you want to use it to support peace. How is that any different than what I said? And where did I say it was a religion of jihadists? Please try to actually read posts before you call them stupid, hmm?[/QUOTE] You never said it was a religion of Jihadists, but you portray the Muslim people, all Muslim people, as a very war like, angry, and violent people. The religion is one of peace, but the sects you keep describing have perverted the Qu'ran and interpreted it for violence and mayhem.
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]Great, someone with firsthand knowledge. And a healthy dose of classic antisemitism instead. Sigh.[/QUOTE] Yes, because he's Palestinian he knows exactly what's going on everywhere in his country.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]What. I never said it was a good thing, the taking of human life is always horrible, but here. You have a choice. Bomb a country and force an unconditional surrender, or send in troops and have them slaughtered. What would you do? Don't be dumb. We'd all choose bombing because it's the best way, not because it's the most humane.[/QUOTE] Tell me, do you think that Hamas is going to surrender? Do you think killing fucking everyone is going to make them surrender? Israel is going to turn Palestine to rubble, and all they're going to get is a pissed off country. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1]You never said it was a religion of Jihadists, but you portray the Muslim people, all Muslim people, as a very war like, angry, and violent people. The religion is one of peace, but the sects you keep describing have perverted the Qu'ran and interpreted it for violence and mayhem.[/QUOTE] Thank you for demonstrating you don't have the slightest clue as to what I was saying. I said you could use religion to advocate anything, and that's exactly what you're demonstrating. I'm not saying anyone is any way, but whatever way they are, they can support it with religion.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Tell me, do you think that Hamas is going to surrender? Do you think killing fucking everyone is going to make them surrender? Israel is going to turn Palestine to rubble, and all they're going to get is a pissed off country.[/QUOTE] Hamas might never surrender, because their followers are so blood hungry and angry that this could go on for another 100 years. And I never said kill everyone.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!]Won't somebody think of the children? This is kinda the expression I get by the Israelian actions. [img]http://normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/CombatBoots_BeitHanoun112006.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I don't know what these cartoons are supposed to prove. [url]http://www.jr.co.il/humorpic/pc0193.gif[/url] [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Endzone]Yes, because he's Palestinian he knows exactly what's going on everywhere in his country.[/QUOTE] Did I say that?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Hamas might never surrender, because their followers are so blood hungry and angry that this could go on for another 100 years. And I never said kill everyone.[/QUOTE] Right, you're getting warmer. And why are they so angry and blood hungry?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]What. I never said it was a good thing, the taking of human life is always horrible, but here. You have a choice. Bomb a country and force an unconditional surrender, or send in troops and have them slaughtered. What would you do? Don't be dumb. We'd all choose bombing because it's the best way, not because it's the most humane. [/QUOTE] Well obviously you think it's better to do it than not? Then you DO support that kind of action? Make up your mind. You keep starting every post with "it's bad", but then give me all these reasons why you think it should happen. I've always thought it was fucking stupid that in a time of war, a country often chooses to attack the population least responsible for the war. The civilians. Why can't war remain between governments and the military? Just because some terrorists go ahead and put civilians in front of them doesn't mean that Israel should just go ahead and shoot through them. What a paradox anyway. Who are they trying to save? The rest of the population that they [i]don't[/i] shoot or themselves?
[QUOTE=Endzone]Thank you for demonstrating you don't have the slightest clue as to what I was saying. I said you could use religion to advocate anything, and that's exactly what you're demonstrating. I'm not saying anyone is any way, but whatever way they are, they can support it with religion.[/QUOTE] The way you worded it sounded like blind ignorance and hatred, but the sad fact is the last sentence is true. People can pervert religion to their whims and people will sadly listen.
[QUOTE=Conscript]When there's tensions between two countries the solution doesn't have to be war. Although Hamas are terrorists, they don't let their hate for Israel blind them. Negotiations in this situation are definitely possible and, I believe, can succeed in relieving those tensions.[/QUOTE] They do let their hate blind them, which is why after every truce, HAMAS ends up attacking Israel again. Israel is right to not negotiate, because they know this shit will end up happening all over again.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]The way you worded it sounded like blind ignorance and hatred, but the sad fact is the last sentence is true. People can pervert religion to their whims and people will sadly listen.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they would say the same about what you think. Such is the power of subjectivity.
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