[QUOTE=gnome]Well obviously you think it's better to do it than not? Then you DO support that kind of action? Make up your mind. You keep starting every post with "it's bad", but then give me all these reasons why you think it should happen. I've always thought it was fucking stupid that in a time of war, a country often chooses to attack the population least responsible for the war. The civilians. Why can't war remain between governments and the military?[/QUOTE]
I'll keep going on with the "its bad", but it [b]fucking happens[/b], if we like it or not. The civlian populace is always involved because it's the source of ones military, economy, and territory. They're always involved because they're against, usually, what the enemy is doing. They're involved because in war, almost anything goes with exception. Exceptions to these are that in war, you're not supposed to maim soldiers, but kill them. The same goes for the civilians of the opposing side, kill them, not maim them for life. We dropped the atomic bomb and maimed and killed people, and was so destructive that it was never used again in war. Just saying it's between governments doesn't mean shit, the opposing governments and militarys will always attack the other side, including the civilian population.
[QUOTE=gnome]Just because some terrorists go ahead and put civilians in front of them doesn't mean that Israel should just go ahead and shoot through them. What a paradox anyway. Who are they trying to save? The rest of the population that they [i]don't[/i] shoot or themselves?[/QUOTE]
Well first off, there are no ground troops in Gaza, so you're argument is already null. They never shot through, they've just bombed Gaza, and bombing causes collateral damage sometimes. Some civilians died in bombing runs, like that's never happened before. Iraq, Afghanistan, and even back to Vietnam, people, innocent people, died during bombing, not because we were targeting them, but because they were just at the wrong damned place, and the wrong time. Israel isn't purposely targeting the civilian populace, but with an enemy like Hamas it's even harder to target them.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude]I'm sorry, I refuse to debate with a man so biased [/QUOTE]
Because it's not like you are biased or anything, right?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude] Israel causes conflicts,
Israel is just being a bitch. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Astronaut491]All the countries around Israel should just bomb the fuck out of Israel. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]
they tried that once and got their asses kicked in six days...
also how in the fuck is Israel oppressing Saudi Arabia, they don't give a fuck about Israel, they're too busy shitting in their gold toilets from all the money the world willingly throws at them.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!]Won't somebody think of the children? This is kinda the expression I get by the Israelian actions.
[img]http://normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/CombatBoots_BeitHanoun112006.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
oh no! the poor Palestinians! the ones who shell Israeli schools on purpose!
what about the Israeli children that die? are they less deserving of life?
[QUOTE=Kinversulath]They do let their hate blind them, which is why after every truce, HAMAS ends up attacking Israel again. Israel is right to not negotiate, because they know this shit will end up happening all over again.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's widely recognized that this passing truce was ended because Israel simply refused to lift its blockade of the Gaza strip.
I'm not trying to herald Hamas as good people, I don't really think they are, but they do have a thought process.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]I'll keep going on with the "its bad", but it [b]fucking happens[/b], if we like it or not. The civlian populace is always involved because it's the source of ones military, economy, and territory. They're always involved because they're against, usually, what the enemy is doing. They're involved because in war, almost anything goes with exception. Exceptions to these are that in war, you're not supposed to maim soldiers, but kill them. The same goes for the civilians of the opposing side, kill them, not maim them for life. We dropped the atomic bomb and maimed and killed people, and was so destructive that it was never used again in war. Just saying it's between governments doesn't mean shit, the opposing governments and militarys will always attack the other side, including the civilian population.
Well first off, there are no ground troops in Gaza, so you're argument is already null. They never shot through, they've just bombed Gaza, and bombing causes collateral damage sometimes. Some civilians died in bombing runs, like that's never happened before. Iraq, Afghanistan, and even back to Vietnam, people, innocent people, died during bombing, not because we were targeting them, but because they were just at the wrong damned place, and the wrong time. Israel isn't purposely targeting the civilian populace, but with an enemy like Hamas it's even harder to target them.[/QUOTE]
I seem to recall a vast majority of the US population that was against the Vietnam war.
And don't twist my words, when I said "shoot" you know what I meant. Bombed, shot, whatever, they're killing innocents.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine]they tried that once and got their asses kicked in six days...
also how in the fuck is Israel oppressing Saudi Arabia, they don't give a fuck about Israel, they're too busy shitting in their gold toilets from all the money the world willingly throws at them.
oh no! the poor Palestinians! the ones who shell Israeli schools on purpose!
what about the Israeli children that die? are they less deserving of life?[/QUOTE]
[url]www.ifamericansknew.org[/url]
[img]http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Western_Open]You're playing the PS3 and auguring for your peoples lives, that is epic man.
The king of multi-tasking, killing Covenant and keeping the people of Palestinian safe.[/QUOTE]
Covenant is 360 silly :v:
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan][url]www.ifamericansknew.org[/url]
[img]http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/children.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
you'd think they'd learn by now, oh well guess that red bar will have to get a little higher then.
[QUOTE=gnome]I seem to recall a vast majority of the US population that was against the Vietnam war.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I said "Usually."
[QUOTE=gnome]And don't twist my words, when I said "shoot" you know what I meant. Bombed, shot, whatever, they're killing innocents.[/QUOTE]
But your words made it sound like the Israelis were just going around killing whoever they wanted with bombs, munitions, etc on purpose.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine]oh no! the poor Palestinians! the ones who shell Israeli schools on purpose!
what about the Israeli children that die? are they less deserving of life?[/QUOTE]
no quite the opposite you should know by now that 1 israeli is worth ~50 palestinians
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Which is why I said "Usually."
But your words made it sound like the Israelis were just going around killing whoever they wanted with bombs, munitions, etc on purpose.[/QUOTE]
Obviously it's not on purpose. The point here is that they're being careless.
the death of civilians is tragic, however I strongly doubt the Israelis specifically target them, it's hard not to have collateral when your enemy is a group of delusional cowards who use them as human shields.
Israel has the right to defend itself just as much as anyone else.
Whether Israel accepted that truce or not, they would've gotten attacked again.
[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine]the death of civilians is tragic, however I strongly doubt the Israelis specifically target them, it's hard not to have collateral when your enemy is a group of delusional cowards who use them as human shields.
Israel has the right to defend itself just as much as anyone else.[/QUOTE]
And they have the right to defend themselves in any way possible? In any way whatsoever?
If they killed your mother because there was a terrorist in the house a block away, you'd be fine with that?
[QUOTE=gnome]Obviously it's not on purpose. The point here is that they're being careless.[/QUOTE]
Well the casualties are a bit high, but that doesn't mean they're careless.
Soon enough the world will have had enough of Israel. And then bam those Jewish bastards are dead.
Oh yeah and notice the mosque in the middle of Jerusalem. The al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest place in Islam in the middle of a Israeli city.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Well the casualties are a bit high, but that doesn't mean they're careless.[/QUOTE]
it just means they're evil
[QUOTE=Astronaut491]Soon enough the world will have had enough of Israel. And then bam those Jewish bastards are dead.
Oh yeah and notice the mosque in the middle of Jerusalem. The al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest place in Islam in the middle of a Israeli city.[/QUOTE]
Fucking anti semite.
[QUOTE=timt]it just means they're evil[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't.
-Snip Double Post-
You are all retards, yeah that's right
You think arabs didn't kill any innocent people here in Israel?
they blew up buses, cafe bars and every populated place with their suicide shit but when Israel attacks, NO.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]No, it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
well i think they're evil, but then again, i'm heavily bigoted
^(astronaut)
This is the problem.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1]Well the casualties are a bit high, but that doesn't mean they're careless.[/QUOTE]
Lol. Yes it does. You just contradicted yourself AGAIN! If you say that's not careless that's essentially saying they're doing it on purpose, because what happens is exactly what they intend.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!]Won't somebody think of the children? This is kinda the expression I get by the Israelian actions.
[img]http://normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/CombatBoots_BeitHanoun112006.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Hey
why don't you come here to Yavne or Ashdod and enjoy the rockets fly above your head :D
[QUOTE=Astronaut491]Soon enough the world will have had enough of Israel. And then bam those Jewish bastards are dead.
Oh yeah and notice the mosque in the middle of Jerusalem. The al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest place in Islam in the middle of a Israeli city.[/QUOTE]
It's the original site of the Holy Temple and the Western Wall, the holiest place in Judaism.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem[/url]
The mosque was built upon the site
Do you really not know any of this? You didn't know about the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars, show blatant antisemitism and complete ignorance of the situation, and still feel the need to post in this thread?
The level of people who don't know shit yet reply like they know everything in this thread is way over 9000, way over.
[QUOTE=gnome]Lol. Yes it does. You just contradicted yourself AGAIN! If you say that's not careless that's essentially saying they're doing it on purpose, because what happens is exactly what they intend.[/QUOTE]
See, there is a word for doing something on accident, it's called a "Mistake"! See, not all the intelligence the IDF and IAF gets is 100% accurate, so they accidentally bomb a school or mosque of hospital. That doesn't mean they're careless.
Why the FUCK did israel give the Gaza strip back in the first place?!
[QUOTE=R3conmaster]It's also the original site of the Holy Temple
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem[/url]
The mosque was built upon the site
Do you really not know any of this? You didn't know about the Six Day and Yom Kippur wars, show blatant antisemitism and complete ignorance of the situation, and still feel the need to post in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Haha and this is coming from someone who cannot read dates properly from a website and someone that thinks Cyprus is a Muslim country.
And that Israeli ..tough. And why do you have Santa Clause in your avatar. Your Jewish :|
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