[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]I'm anti-both. They are acting like dumbshits launching rocket attacks at each other and killing innocents.[/QUOTE]
It's all religion's fault. One's holy book says this and the other's says that, they conflict and they're fucked.
I saw this on the news. I was all like, "BOOM HEADSHAWT!!".
At least Israel is doing the job. It's too bad a few civilians had to jump in front of their air strikes.
[QUOTE=doggunn]Why the rolleyes? That looks clear to me that there were munitions in that area.[/QUOTE]
Yes me too (maybe I misused the rolleyes emote)
It just proves even more that they use their people as human shield.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]For the millionth time. What makes Regular every day civilians the enemy?[/QUOTE]
They're critical to the survival of "the enemy" in the long run, militarily and financially. They are what enables "the enemy" to be "the enemy" in the first place.
You just don't want people who are not actively causing harm to die. That doesn't mean those people aren't still passively causing harm, it means you're merciful and don't really want "the enemy" wiped out altogether, just pacified. 'Grats, you're still human.
[QUOTE=Jack Bryce]
Source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm[/url]
It's sad that the wives and children had to die along with him...[/QUOTE]
You know, this is somewhat off topic, but it nailed two of his four wives and killed them.
The guy has four wives. Think about that. Lets say you are a male born poor. Or ugly. Or simply kinda stupid. Now men and women are born with roughly a 50-50 spread. So captain 4 wives over there, has 3 women which would potentially go to other men. So this creates a rather sizeable portion of the male population who can't:
A) Get married
B) Have children
C) Have sex
So now you have these sexually repressed young males growing up in a world that they know will never allow them to have children.
Now toss them in the ass end of the world with very few extra luxuries and a lot of hardcore religious zealots. And you have a giant crazy farm.
Can anyone really blame Israel for just bombing the ever living fuck out of them? I mean, imagine locking a bunch of hormonal 14 year old boys in a room filled with Kalashnikov assault rifles and telling them they can never masturbate again. Do YOU wanna wade in there and try and put an end to the inevitable massive gun battle? Or would you prefer to just toss in a few frag grenades and go about your business?
Frankly I applaud their patience. They put up with an endless torrent of shit about it not being their rightful homeland. (In spite of the fact that they are all full of shit and it IS the rightful home of the Hebrew people.)
[QUOTE=GunFox]You know, this is somewhat off topic, but it nailed two of his four wives and killed them.
The guy has four wives. Think about that. Lets say you are a male born poor. Or ugly. Or simply kinda stupid. Now men and women are born with roughly a 50-50 spread. So captain 4 wives over there, has 3 women which would potentially go to other men. So this creates a rather sizeable portion of the male population who can't:
A) Get married
B) Have children
C) Have sex
So now you have these sexually repressed young males growing up in a world that they know will never allow them to have children.
Now toss them in the ass end of the world with very few extra luxuries and a lot of hardcore religious zealots. And you have a giant crazy farm.
Can anyone really blame Israel for just bombing the ever living fuck out of them? I mean, imagine locking a bunch of hormonal 14 year old boys in a room filled with Kalashnikov assault rifles and telling them they can never masturbate again. Do YOU wanna wade in there and try and put an end to the inevitable massive gun battle? Or would you prefer to just toss in a few frag grenades and go about your business?
Frankly I applaud their patience. They put up with an endless torrent of shit about it not being their rightful homeland. (In spite of the fact that they are all full of shit and it IS the rightful home of the Hebrew people.)[/QUOTE]
Hhahaha, can somebody give a brotha some love?
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Kind of like this.
[img]http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/images/tanks.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
oh man god damn that guy was such a dick they should have just run him over he was asking for it maaan
You have no clue what you're talking about.
1. Killing civis only furthurs and strengthens extremist's beliefs
2. Civilians are not related [b]at all[/b] to terrorist organizations, you're basically committing terrorism in pursuit of terrorists.
3. 1st world nations are not fucking allowed to do this.
"Terrorists" cause terror, the point of these "anti-terrorist" missions is to stop "terror" yet they are causing 1000000x more grief and terror by their discusting acrocities.
[QUOTE=Fred]Israel just won themselves constant missile attacks.[/QUOTE]
They already have one of those. Does it come with a gift receipt so they can exchange it for some new shoes?
Wonder why they already have one of those :rolleye:
Oh no, now they might lose! :uhoh:
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]Wonder why they already have one of those :rolleye:[/QUOTE]
On the left is Hamas. On the right is Isreal.
[img]http://www.orgs.okstate.edu/zgss/images/SBMaxJab.jpg[/img]
Isreal is a bear, your argument is invalid.
[QUOTE=GunFox]Frankly I applaud their patience. They put up with an endless torrent of shit about it not being their rightful homeland. (In spite of the fact that they are all full of shit and it IS the rightful home of the Hebrew people.)[/QUOTE]
It was also the rightful home of the people who were living there before israel was formed.
Personlly for my money you can glass the lot of them, all they do is argue and kill each other.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]You have no clue what you're talking about.
1. Killing civis only furthurs and strengthens extremist's beliefs
2. Civilians are not related [b]at all[/b] to terrorist organizations, you're basically committing terrorism in pursuit of terrorists.
3. 1st world nations are not fucking allowed to do this.
"Terrorists" cause terror, the point of these "anti-terrorist" missions is to stop "terror" yet they are causing 1000000x more grief and terror by their discusting acrocities.[/QUOTE]
anti-Semite etc....
spam, etc...
[QUOTE=Sheepy!]Really retarded on this situation, so forgive my ignorance, but can one person explain to me why one american could be Pro-Palestine, and a different Pro-Isareal. Like why one would support the bombing of Palestine if it was done, or on the other hand Isarel. Cause I have read the arguments in the other thread and it still isn't clear.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
First:
[img]http://www.mzzt.net/tf2/light/rocket/blue/Israeli%20Army/red/Nizar%20Rayan%20and%20his%20Wives%20and%20Children.png[/img]
It's because some Americans don't like Jewish people while others don't like Arab people. Some don't like either.
[QUOTE=markfu]First:
[img]%20and%20Children.png[/img]
It's because some Americans don't like Jewish people while others don't like Arab people. Some don't like either.[/QUOTE]
That is the most linear explanation for the situation so far.
[QUOTE=Sheepy!]Really retarded on this situation, so forgive my ignorance, but can one person explain to me why one american could be Pro-Palestine, and a different Pro-Isareal. Like why one would support the bombing of Palestine if it was done, or on the other hand Isarel. Cause I have read the arguments in the other thread and it still isn't clear.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Because clearly it is absolutely absurd for two people whose only common trait is being citizens of the same country to have two differing political stances. That, like, NEVER happens. America, what the fuck?
[QUOTE=chris0132]It was also the rightful home of the people who were living there before israel was formed.
Personlly for my money you can glass the lot of them, all they do is argue and kill each other.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah I'm purely talking in the historical touchy feely sense though. In the immediate sense they have the right to be there because Israel is fucking hardcore and will do shit like this. The people with the right to be there are the people currently in control of it. They are even nice and let everyone else come chill with them if they play nice and don't blow shit up. In fact the Jews were totally content to live with the Arab population and worked with the UN to come to a peaceful solution. Then Arabs went batshit and started targeting the Jews before the Jews finally declared independence and was suddenly quite literally at war with virtually every neighboring country. During which time the Arab population largely fled. So all those dickwads Palestinians, which is really just a word for Muslim Israeli are pretty much totally to blame for getting kicked out. Not to mention the fact that if it didn't belong to the Israelis, chances are it would belong to the Brits. Who rightfully obtained it during WWI because the former owners (ottoman empire) joined up with the Germans.
I mean they have way more right to be there across the board than the United States has to be in the United States. Or hell, the Canadians or the Mexicans. We all rolled in said "Hi, we have better tech, we're taking your shit" and took what we wanted. We're just lucky the natives never figured received some vision quest which revealed to them the magical secrets to C4, or we'd probably have been putting up with exactly the same shit.
Then again, the Native Americans weren't sitting on top of a fucking crazy farm like the middle east, so maybe not. Old west movies sure would be more entertaining though.
Does anyone else find it hilarious that the Muslims and the Jews fight viciously for control of Jerusalem, even though it is the Christians whom believe the son of god was born there? Just seems funny to me. It is obviously of great historical importance to all three, but it just seems like the one faction who should be really interested is mostly content to let the Jews have it.
Then again, I think I'd prefer to have the guys willing to bomb civilians to protect themselves protecting my holy city too. Perhaps this is a better thought out plan than I had assumed...
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]They're critical to the survival of "the enemy" in the long run, militarily and financially. They are what enables "the enemy" to be "the enemy" in the first place.
You just don't want people who are not actively causing harm to die. That doesn't mean those people aren't still passively causing harm, it means you're merciful and don't really want "the enemy" [b]wiped out altogether, just pacified.[/b] 'Grats, you're still human.[/QUOTE]
I laughed when I read that part.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]That is the most linear explanation for the situation so far.[/QUOTE]
thank you?
[QUOTE=GunFox]You know, this is somewhat off topic, but it nailed two of his four wives and killed them.
The guy has four wives. Think about that. Lets say you are a male born poor. Or ugly. Or simply kinda stupid. Now men and women are born with roughly a 50-50 spread. So captain 4 wives over there, has 3 women which would potentially go to other men. So this creates a rather sizeable portion of the male population who can't:
A) Get married
B) Have children
C) Have sex
So now you have these sexually repressed young males growing up in a world that they know will never allow them to have children.
Now toss them in the ass end of the world with very few extra luxuries and a lot of hardcore religious zealots. And you have a giant crazy farm.
Can anyone really blame Israel for just bombing the ever living fuck out of them? I mean, imagine locking a bunch of hormonal 14 year old boys in a room filled with Kalashnikov assault rifles and telling them they can never masturbate again. Do YOU wanna wade in there and try and put an end to the inevitable massive gun battle? Or would you prefer to just toss in a few frag grenades and go about your business?
Frankly I applaud their patience. They put up with an endless torrent of shit about it not being their rightful homeland. (In spite of the fact that they are all full of shit and it IS the rightful home of the Hebrew people.)[/QUOTE]
This man should run the world.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]They're critical to the survival of "the enemy" in the long run, militarily and financially. They are what enables "the enemy" to be "the enemy" in the first place.
You just don't want people who are not actively causing harm to die. That doesn't mean those people aren't still passively causing harm, it means you're merciful and don't really want "the enemy" wiped out altogether, just pacified. 'Grats, you're still human.[/QUOTE]
You have a nice grasp on reality.
It's just a shame it's not ours.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]1. Killing civis only furthurs and strengthens extremist's beliefs[/QUOTE]
To a point. Sooner or latter everyone breaks, look at, oh, I don't know, pretty much any conflict that's ever been ended decisively. The will to fight is not some infinite wellspring of weaponry, training, and manpower. By your logic no conflicts should ever end, because the death of civilians will strengthen the group protecting those civilians. It does, to a degree, but it's not going to magically make anyone more capable of fighting after a good pounding.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]2. Civilians are not related [b]at all[/b] to terrorist organizations, you're basically committing terrorism in pursuit of terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Sure they are, because the terrorists come from them. Your problem is with the idea of killing potential innocents, that's fine, but nobody involved in this conflict shares that belief. So, they resort to the most effective method of stopping a conflict known to man- [i]kill a lot of people.[/i]
Civies are people, civies are defenseless, civies are essential to the survival of the organization being fought- how are they not a prime target when you remove morality from the equation?
This is a rhetorical question. I don't need an answer based entirely on your morals or mistaken assumptions that killing civies generates an infinite supply of angry soldiers.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]3. 1st world nations are not fucking allowed to do this.[/QUOTE]
Says who? The U.N.? What authoritative body prevents them from doing so? You need to remember that not everyone gives a shit!
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff]"Terrorists" cause terror, the point of these "anti-terrorist" missions is to stop "terror" yet they are causing 1000000x more grief and terror by their discusting acrocities.[/QUOTE]
"Terrorist" is an overused word because it can mean anyone who uses fear as a method of coercion. I.E. every government on the planet.
Regardless, this goes back to my comment about crying foul on whoever is doing the best job. They have the same tactics, if you're going to bitch about the immorality of those tactics you need to chew them both out.
[QUOTE=lurgic]I laughed when I read that part.[/QUOTE]
The term isn't inherently violent so I'm not sure why. Unless you were thinking something about giving small children lollipops.
Both sides are fucked up in their own special ways.
[QUOTE=person11]Both sides are fucked up in their own special ways.[/QUOTE]
They're like shitty little snowflakes.
Sorry... You're insane... I just can't put it any other way, you talk as if you're more than a kid behind a computer spewing out information like you actually understand what's going through the minds of either side.
I know you sound pretty cool, but in reality, it's a bunch of shit. You don't know how the palestinians feel, you're solution is to kill millions of palestinians and then the conflict is over. I'm sorry, you're either some 17 year old cynic or a moron.
Xenocidebot is clearly some kind of an AI that will at some point conclude that it needs to destroy humanity completely to save the earth, but has no means to do it (apart from posting on the internet)
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]Xenocidebot is clearly some kind of an AI that will at some point conclude that it needs to destroy humanity completely to save the earth, but has no means to do it (apart from posting on the internet)[/QUOTE]
shut up you know that killing 100000 palestinians will make hamas surrender you know it shut up shut up everyone breaks you just have to do what hitler did to the jews it works I'm a professor i know these things.
[QUOTE=GunFox]Well yeah I'm purely talking in the historical touchy feely sense though. In the immediate sense they have the right to be there because Israel is fucking hardcore and will do shit like this. The people with the right to be there are the people currently in control of it. They are even nice and let everyone else come chill with them if they play nice and don't blow shit up. In fact the Jews were totally content to live with the Arab population and worked with the UN to come to a peaceful solution. Then Arabs went batshit and started targeting the Jews before the Jews finally declared independence and was suddenly quite literally at war with virtually every neighboring country. During which time the Arab population largely fled. So all those dickwads Palestinians, which is really just a word for Muslim Israeli are pretty much totally to blame for getting kicked out. Not to mention the fact that if it didn't belong to the Israelis, chances are it would belong to the Brits. Who rightfully obtained it during WWI because the former owners (ottoman empire) joined up with the Germans.
I mean they have way more right to be there across the board than the United States has to be in the United States. Or hell, the Canadians or the Mexicans. We all rolled in said "Hi, we have better tech, we're taking your shit" and took what we wanted. We're just lucky the natives never figured received some vision quest which revealed to them the magical secrets to C4, or we'd probably have been putting up with exactly the same shit.
Then again, the Native Americans weren't sitting on top of a fucking crazy farm like the middle east, so maybe not. Old west movies sure would be more entertaining though.
Does anyone else find it hilarious that the Muslims and the Jews fight viciously for control of Jerusalem, even though it is the Christians whom believe the son of god was born there? Just seems funny to me. It is obviously of great historical importance to all three, but it just seems like the one faction who should be really interested is mostly content to let the Jews have it.
Then again, I think I'd prefer to have the guys willing to bomb civilians to protect themselves protecting my holy city too. Perhaps this is a better thought out plan than I had assumed...[/QUOTE]
This man speaks the truth. Listen to him.
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