[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]Hah, last time I checked that was a favorite tactic used by your beloved palestinians.[/QUOTE]
Becaused they are forced in so tightly they don't really have a choice but to set up where they can in civilian areas.
Even out in the West Bank it's a militia, they live in their settlements, with their families. They aren't out on military operations.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]Becaused they are forced in so tightly they don't really have a choice but to set up where they can in civilian areas.
Even out in the West Bank it's a militia, they live in their settlements, with their families. They aren't out on military operations.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter? What right do they have to endanger others to further what they think is a just cause?
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]hey ephemeral tell us why you think public discourse in a globalized world is not important, go ahead
why shouldn't people in the US, with the US being a massive supplier of weapons and money to Israel, voice their opinion in a human rights violation involving Israel? Why shouldn't people publicly speak out, write their representative, protest at Israeli embassies worldwide, or be involved in government whatsoever?[/QUOTE]
Because Hamas started another war on Israel because they hate the jews. That's why. You try dealing with a situation like that. Do you honistly think the Israeli's are getting off on locking up suspected terrorists? They arn't stupid. They know it's a clusterfuck. But when the other side (The good guys apparantly) fucking bombs your civilians whist you are trying to do what you can to keep a lid on the whole damn clusterfuck, things get out of hand and you probably would go, "Fuck this, find those dickweeds and kill them."
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]Because Hamas started another war on Israel because they hate the jews. That's why. [/QUOTE]
Actually it's because Israelis bulldozed Palestinian villages, removed millions from their homes, destroyed livelihoods, and relegated an entire population to the status of second class citizens in their own homeland. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]Because Hamas started another war on Israel because they hate the jews. That's why. You try dealing with a situation like that. Do you honistly think the Israeli's are getting off on locking up suspected terrorists? They arn't stupid. They know it's a clusterfuck. But when the other side (The good guys apparantly) fucking bombs your civilians whist you are trying to do what you can to keep a lid on the whole damn clusterfuck, things get out of hand and you probably would go, "Fuck this, find those dickweeds and kill them."[/QUOTE]
Yes? And?
They are dealing with fanatical, dangerous, violent people who send out children strapped to bombs to kill enemies. And this justifies reckless killing and endangerment of civilians how?
And for the last fucking time, get this through your fucking head, no one is the good guy.
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]Because Hamas started another war on Israel because they hate the jews. That's why. You try dealing with a situation like that. Do you honistly think the Israeli's are getting off on locking up suspected terrorists? They arn't stupid. They know it's a clusterfuck. But when the other side (The good guys apparantly) fucking bombs your civilians whist you are trying to do what you can to keep a lid on the whole damn clusterfuck, things get out of hand and you probably would go, "Fuck this, find those dickweeds and kill them."[/QUOTE]
killing ~300 (probably even more tomorrow and boatloads more if they launch a ground attack) Palestinians, largely by bombing targets in densely packed civilian centers, is a measured and responsible reaction to the death of half a dozen Israelis. I'm glad Israel values human rights or else more righteous Israelis might die.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Why does it matter? What right do they have to endanger others to further what they think is a just cause?[/QUOTE]
The people want to be free and independant. This means police and militia bases, unfortunately these have to be set up in or near civilian locations. Israel are basically bombing interior militia (police) aswell as regular militia. Police stations usually have to be in cities.
Most people think it is a just cause. If they didn't they they would leave Palestine.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Yes? And?
They are dealing with fanatical, dangerous, violent people who send out children strapped to bombs to kill enemies. And this justifies reckless killing and endangerment of civilians how?
And for the last fucking time, get this through your fucking head, no one is the good guy.[/QUOTE]
If you're measuring bad vs good by number of civilians killed and most human rights violations committed then Israel is most definitely the bad guy
but we gotta be fair and balanced people! objectivity is important! terrorists can't fight for justifiable causes whatsoever
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[QUOTE=SeamanStains]The people want to be free and independant. This means police and militia bases, unfortunately these have to be set up in or near civilian locations. Israel are basically bombing interior militia (police) aswell as regular militia. Police stations usually have to be in cities.
Most people think it is a just cause. If they didn't they they would leave Palestine.[/QUOTE]
that and there's very little room in Gaza anyway because it has such a densely packed population. Maybe if they weren't all confined to a ghetto-like barricaded partition...
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]
Most people think it is a just cause. If they didn't they they would leave Palestine.[/QUOTE]
Thanks to Israel and Hamas it is extrodinarily hard to leave Palestine for many people. Huge amounts of Palestinians can't cross the border in the occupied territories to go to work within Israel and even recently thousands were unable to leave for Hajj.
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[QUOTE=SeamanStains]
Most people think it is a just cause. If they didn't they they would leave Palestine.[/QUOTE]
Thanks to Israel and Hamas it is extrodinarily hard to leave Palestine for many people. Huge amounts of Palestinians can't cross the border in the occupied territories to go to work within Israel and even recently thousands were unable to leave for Hajj .due to Hamas
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]The people want to be free and independant. This means police and militia bases, unfortunately these have to be set up in or near civilian locations. Israel are basically bombing interior militia (police) aswell as regular militia. Police stations usually have to be in cities.
Most people think it is a just cause. If they didn't they they would leave Palestine.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but maybe not everyone believes violence is the solution to violence. Perhaps people just want to try as hard as can be to get everyone to calm down.
Whoops, now they're dead because they're next to a Hamas meeting area. Tough luck eh?
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Thanks to Israel and Hamas it is extrodinarily hard to leave Palestine for many people. Huge amounts of Palestinians can't cross the border in the occupied territories to go to work within Israel and even recently thousands were unable to leave for Hajj.
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Thanks to Israel and Hamas it is extrodinarily hard to leave Palestine for many people. Huge amounts of Palestinians can't cross the border in the occupied territories to go to work within Israel and even recently thousands were unable to leave for Hajj .due to Hamas[/QUOTE]
And now Israel bombed like 40 secret tunnels (used to smuggle TERRORIST WEAPONS and FIGHTERS, and of course the media doesn't mention the vital goods smuggled in and out of those tunnels) so it's even harder.
[QUOTE=Endzone]
Whoops, now they're dead because they're next to a Hamas meeting area. Tough luck eh?[/QUOTE]
Or next to a Police station, or a government building, or a densely populated area, etc. You're slightly overestimated what it takes to be bombed by Israel.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Perhaps, but maybe not everyone believes violence is the solution to violence. Perhaps people just want to try as hard as can be to get everyone to calm down.
Whoops, now they're dead because they're next to a Hamas meeting area. Tough luck eh?[/QUOTE]
Hamas is the elected government you know, so that could be anything from police stations to government offices. OR IT COULD BE TERROR CELL HIDEOUTS AND BOMB LABS!
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]And now Israel bombed like 40 secret tunnels (used to smuggle TERRORIST WEAPONS and FIGHTERS, and of course the media doesn't mention the vital goods smuggled in and out of those tunnels) so it's even harder.[/QUOTE]
Well at least they're not bombing fuel depots and civilian centers
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Just kidding, they're bombing those too.
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]Because Hamas started another war on Israel because they hate the jews.[/QUOTE]
Religion is mearly a tool to gain support from the god fearing masses, their is a very real underlining political issue.
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03]They know it's a clusterfuck. But when the other side (The good guys apparantly) fucking bombs your civilians whist you are trying to do what you can to keep a lid on the whole damn clusterfuck, things get out of hand and you probably would go, "Fuck this, find those dickweeds and kill them."[/QUOTE]
Recent Palestinian rocket attacks have killed atleast 1 Israeli.
Recent Israeli missile attacks could have killed more than 300 Palestinians.
They don't make any attemped to "keep a lid" on the situation, infact they broadcast it to show how aggresive the Palestinians are and how defensive Israel is. They NEED the rocket attacks to expand.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Or next to a Police station, or a government building, or a densely populated area, etc. You're slightly overestimated what it takes to be bombed by Israel.[/QUOTE]
It's still another target. You're not justified in throwing gasoline on the fire because the top floor is on burning.
Just kidding, they're bombing those too.
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GOOD JOB GUYS YOU BROKE MY AUTOMERGE
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[QUOTE=SeamanStains]
Recent Palestinian rocket attacks have killed atleast 1 Israeli.
Recent Israeli missile attacks could have killed more than 300 Palestinians.
[/QUOTE]
If you're going for shock value there's estimated to be over a thousand injured
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]
Thanks to Israel and Hamas it is extrodinarily hard to leave Palestine for many people. Huge amounts of Palestinians can't cross the border in the occupied territories to go to work within Israel and even recently thousands were unable to leave for Hajj .due to Hamas[/QUOTE]
This too.
[QUOTE=PvtRyan]And now Israel bombed like 40 secret tunnels (used to smuggle TERRORIST WEAPONS and FIGHTERS, and of course the media doesn't mention the vital goods smuggled in and out of those tunnels) so it's even harder.[/QUOTE]
Good, atleast they will be far from civilian targets, hopefully. The word terrorist is thrown around alot recently, it's a buzzword and the media and government apply it to all sorts of things, from militia and resistance to suicide bombing campaigns.
"Terrorist" Militia aren't evil. I bet you would be really pissed off if you were invaded and occupied, and branded as a terrorist when you formed a resistance cell.
[QUOTE=Ephemeral]
No. You don't. Not unless you have family in either places that are being directly affected by these conflicts.[/QUOTE]
It really disheartens me that you consider these the conditions for caring. How do you call yourself a human with this attitude?
Not only that, but it is [I]American[/I] tax dollars that are paying for a large majority of this. Israel gets the most money from America of any foreign country (I presume because it is politically expedient) and they turn around and use that money to buy arms from us so they can kill Palestineans.
It is all a bunch of macho bullshit. Israeli leaders have it in their head that if they continue to bomb Palestine, then Hamas will go away. That has been the attitude for 30 years, and the attacks into Israel have [I]not[/I] abated. Any logical person could piece together that violence is getting them nowhere, but it is purely human to hate.
It says that the jail in gaza strip was bombed by a jet because it was thought to have been used for hamas-related purposes.
Picture this, you're about to be released from jail after a three year sentence, and suddenly your cell explodes and you die.
(no real funny ending there I guess)
Fuck it if the Gaza strip gets fully occupied I'm going to have to VERY seriously think about going over there to help the injured. I have lots of spare money little sense of self.
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If it is even fucking possible to get through Hamas/Israeli boarder control without being shot.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]Fuck it if the Gaza strip gets fully occupied I'm going to have to VERY seriously think about going over there to help the injured. I have lots of spare money little sense of self.[/QUOTE]
Do whatever you think best.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]Fuck it if the Gaza strip gets fully occupied I'm going to have to VERY seriously think about going over there to help the injured. I have lots of spare money little sense of self.[/QUOTE]
If it makes you feel any better Israel will probably just invade, kill a whole bunch of people, and then retreat just like they always do
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]Fuck it if the Gaza strip gets fully occupied I'm going to have to VERY seriously think about going over there to help the injured. I have lots of spare money little sense of self.
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If it is even fucking possible to get through Hamas/Israeli boarder control without being shot.[/QUOTE]
Be careful, a girl from here did that and they ran her over with a bulldozer
Yeah, fantastic.
Gaza is so densely populated they can't bulldoze it without bulldozing the whole thing. They aren't going to take it apart block by block.
Smash it into rubble and destroy most of the infastructure, see how many people leave during the chaos and aftermath.
Wait so are you guys actually blaming israel for this? D:
[QUOTE=TH89]Be careful, a girl from here did that and they ran her over with a bulldozer[/QUOTE]
Well I have more of a sense of self preservation that standing in the way of a bulldozer until they just ram it into the house anyway.
I'd probably film it until they threaten to shoot me or take it away. Or just shoot me, since no one will really hear about it.
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[QUOTE=Tropical]Wait so are you guys actually blaming israel for this? D:[/QUOTE]
Gah. Read all 3 pages and try to understand our viewpoints and then formulate your own personal opinion and voice it.
[QUOTE=Tropical]Wait so are you guys actually blaming israel for this? D:[/QUOTE]
For what? Air strikes? Yes.
I am now dedicated towards constructing a purely robot politician. Certainly he would see that violence has never produced anything other than more violence, and that politics doesn't belong in politics. (The two different words that mean different things, but have unabashedly been intertwined for the same context)
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