Meh, he was bound to die anyway, but his kids :(
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[QUOTE=Endzone]Religion is but one of the many wheels that keeps the war machine goin'.[/QUOTE]
I NOE RIGHT! IT NOT LAND AT ALL RIGHT? YOU ARE SO SHMART, HAVE A TROPHY!
A really love how atheists bring up relegion in HALF THE THREADS in the news section. It isn't relegion that drives this war, it is land, with a bit of relegion mixed in.
You guys are turning out to be just as annoying as american christians, and they are dreadfully brainboiling annoying.
Good job Israel :)
Israel makes short work of anyone it seems
Nobody saying that this war is useless now it seems...
[QUOTE=acds]Nobody saying that this war is useless now it seems...[/QUOTE]
this war is useless
[QUOTE=TheTalon]Israel makes short work of anyone it seems[/QUOTE]
Except Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah ect. ect.
Yeah well they certainly are putting effort into fighting Hamas currently, and are dropping it's leaders left right and center
Government officals make easy targets it seems.
[url]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Gaza-Strip-Israeli-Ground-Troops-Cross-Border-Into-Embattled-Territory/Article/200901115196990?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15196990_Gaza_Strip%3A_Israeli_Ground_Troops_Cross_Border_Into_Embattled_Territory[/url]
[quote]The move marks a new phase in the conflict with Palestinian militant group Hamas.
It follows days of Israeli air strikes and a heavy artillery bombardment along the Gaza border in retaliation for rocket attacks by the militants.
Earlier today 13 Palestinians, including four children, were killed in during an attack on a mosque in the northern town of Jabaliya.
More than 60 others were injured, 15 critically.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal has previously said fighters are ready to resist any Israeli invasion and could capture more rival soldiers.
He warned Israel that a "black destiny" awaited the Jewish state if it launches a ground offensive.
US President George W Bush blamed Hamas for the bloodshed, which has so far left more than 400 people dead.
He used his weekly address to urge Arab countries to do more to stop militants firing rockets into Israel - which he described as an "act of terror".
It came as tens of thousands of people protested around the world, calling for an end to the fighting.
Thousands of people - including the singer Annie Lennox - marched through London, calling on US president-elect Barack Obama to speak up against the bombardment of civilians in Gaza.
Mr Bush said he would not accept another "one-way" ceasefire in Gaza "that leads to rocket attacks on Israel".
He added: "Promises from Hamas will not suffice - there must be monitoring mechanisms in place to help ensure that smuggling of weapons to terrorist groups in Gaza comes to an end."
More than 400 Gazans have been killed and some 1,700 wounded since Israel began its aerial campaign on Saturday, Gaza health officials said.
The UN said the death toll in Gaza included more than 60 civilians, 34 of them children.
Three Israeli civilians and one soldier have died in rocket attacks that have reached deeper into Israel than ever before, bringing one eighth of Israel's population within rocket range. [/quote]
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[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475576,00.html[/url]
[quote] DEVELOPING: Israeli ground forces have begun moving across the border into the northern Gaza Strip in an escalation late Saturday night of the weeklong offensive against Hamas, according to reports citing Palestinian witnesses and Israeli officials.
Witnesses in the Gaza Strip tell FOX News that troops are moving in -- a development that Reuters described as a small column of Israeli military vehicles backed by combat helicopters. The incursion was confirmed to FOX News by Israeli defense officials.
Israeli airstrikes in the Gaza Strip had intensified Saturday evening and tanks began repositioning themselves around the border despite international efforts to secure a cease-fire and avert a ground war between Israel and Hamas.
Israel launched the aerial campaign a week ago in a bid to halt weeks of intensifying Palestinian rocket fire from Gaza. The offensive has dealt a heavy blow to Hamas, but failed to halt the rocket fire.[/quote]
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637/[/url]
Looks like shit is going down:
[quote]Israel: Ground forces cross Gaza border
10,000 troops are massed along the Gaza border, Israeli officials say
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
updated 12:38 p.m. CT, Sat., Jan. 3, 2009
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israeli defense officials said Saturday that ground forces are crossing the Gaza border.
Artillery units joined Israel's Gaza offensive for the first time Saturday, while warplanes and gunboats pounded more than 40 Hamas targets and a mosque where 10 people were killed.
Airstrikes waned during the day but gathered pace after dark Saturday. In a sign that the offensive was entering a new phase, military officials said Israeli artillery units attacked Gaza for the first time, something that could signal a ground invasion is nearing.
"We will do all that is necessary to provide a different reality for southern Israel, which has been under constant attacks for the past eight years," Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told Channel 2 TV.
Israeli defense officials said some 10,000 troops, including tank, artillery and special operations units, were massed on the Gaza border and prepared to invade.
At the same time, international cease-fire efforts were also gaining momentum. French President Nicolas Sarkozy is visiting the region next week to try to end the violence, and President George W. Bush and U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon both spoke in favor of an internationally monitored truce.
But Hamas, in its first reaction to the proposal on Saturday, reacted coolly to the idea of international monitors.
Airstrike hits mosque
Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 in response to intensifying rocket fire by Hamas militants in Gaza. The operation has killed more than 430 Palestinians, including dozens of civilians, according to Palestinian and U.N. counts. Four Israelis have also been killed, and rocket attacks on southern Israel persist.
The Israeli army would not say when the operation might end, repeating its position that it would continue as long as necessary. But officials confirmed that the number of airstrikes is down, from more than 100 a day in the first days to 60 or so a day now.
The use of artillery fire raised the possibility of higher civilian casualties. Artillery fire is less accurate than the precision-guided bombs and missiles used by the air force.
An artillery shell hit a house in Beit Lahiya after nightfall, wounding many people, said members of the family living there. Ambulances could not immediately reach them because of the resulting fire, they said.
One airstrike hit a mosque in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya, killing 10 people and wounding 33, seven critically, according to a Palestinian health official.
The Israeli army also struck the homes of two Hamas operatives, saying the buildings were used to store weapons and plan attacks. Hamas outposts, training camps and rocket launching sites also were targeted, it said.
The army also struck the American International School, the most prestigious educational institution in Gaza. The school is not connected to the U.S. government, but it teaches an American curriculum in English.
The airstrike demolished the school's main building and killed a night watchman. Two other Palestinians were killed in a separate airstrike, while four others, including a mid-level militant commander, died of wounds sustained earlier, Gaza health officials said.
Early Saturday, it dropped leaflets in downtown Gaza City ordering people off the streets.
'A critical emergency'
Palestinian militants fired at least 10 rockets into southern Israel, lightly wounding one person, police said. One rocket scored a direct hit on a house in the southern city of Ashkelon and another struck a bomb shelter there, leaving its above-ground entrance scarred by shrapnel.
The Israeli airstrikes have badly damaged Gaza's infrastructure, knocking out power and water in many areas and raising concerns of a looming humanitarian disaster.
Israel briefly opened its border Friday to allow nearly 300 Palestinians with foreign passports to flee the besieged area. The evacuees told of crippling shortages of water, electricity and medicine.
Maxwell Gaylard, U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinians Territories, estimated that a quarter of the Palestinians killed were civilians and a "significant number" of the dead were women and children. He said some 2,000 people have been wounded in the past week.
"There is a critical emergency right now in the Gaza Strip," he said.
Israel denies there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and has increased its shipments of goods into Gaza. It says it has confined its attacks to militants while trying to prevent civilian casualties.
While ground troops remained poised to enter Gaza, Israel also has left the door open to a diplomatic solution, saying it would accept a cease-fire if it is enforced by international monitors.
This latest round of violence erupted after the expiration of a six-month cease-fire that was repeatedly marred by sporadic rocket attacks on Israel.
Israel's call for international monitors appeared to be gaining steam.
At the United Nations, Ban urged world leaders to intensify efforts to achieve an immediate cease-fire that includes monitors to enforce the truce and possibly protect Palestinian civilians.
In Washington, Bush on Friday branded the rocket fire an "act of terror" and outlined his own condition for a cease-fire in Gaza, saying no peace deal would be acceptable without monitoring to halt the flow of smuggled weapons to terrorist groups.
"The United States is leading diplomatic efforts to achieve a meaningful cease-fire that is fully respected," Bush said in his weekly radio address.
The spokesman for the Hamas government in Gaza, Taher Nunu, said the group would not allow Israel or the international community to impose any arrangement, though he left the door open to a negotiated solution.
"Anyone who thinks that the change in the Palestinian arena can be achieved through jet fighters' bombs and tanks and without dialogue is mistaken," he said.
Time running out
With time running out on the Bush presidency, the crisis in Gaza is likely to carry over to President-elect Barack Obama. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice continued telephone diplomacy to arrange a truce, but said she had no plans to make an emergency visit to the region.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas delayed a planned trip to the United Nations so he could meet with Sarkozy and a high-level EU delegation on Monday. He now plans on speaking at the U.N. on Tuesday, said Abbas aide Saeb Erekat.
At the U.N., Abbas is expected to urge the Security Council to adopt an Arab draft resolution that would condemn Israel and demand a halt to its bombing campaign in Gaza.
Abbas, whose forces in Gaza were ousted by Hamas in June 2007, still claims authority over the area.
The council is expected to discuss the draft resolution on Monday. But the United States said the draft is "unacceptable" and "unbalanced" because it makes no mention of halting Hamas rocket attacks.
The Israeli offensive has sparked large protests around the world over the past few days. Tens of thousands rallied Saturday in about a dozen European countries against the Israeli action. Some hurled shoes at iron gates near the British prime minister's residence in London, in an echo of the Iraq journalist who angrily threw his shoes at President George W. Bush while he was visiting Iraq last month.
Tens of thousands of Israeli Arabs demonstrated in the northern town of Sakhnin, by far the biggest protest in Israel so far. Marchers held Palestinian flags and a smattering of green Hamas flags. But there were no reports of violence. [/quote]
Gaza's going to be absolutely trashed when this is all over with. It's going to be a humanitarian nightmare, especially considering how bad things were BEFORE the bombing began. Israel needs to take responsibility for this and not blow it off as collateral damage or that there's "not a humanitarian crisis." Especially if it's artillery; it's one thing to blow off smart bomb casualties, but it's another to blow off artillery casualties.
They just HAD to include my cousin amongst those 10,000 troops.
Edit: The four funny guys who go as following:
Sconza
Anders
PrismatexV2
Kingsharpie
You are heartless.
You too NoDachi.
More war...
:sigh:
Two threads on the same time, i was about to make a thread about it too.
Somehow, i believe this war will either mean Israel taking over Gaza or that a much more radical group will take control of the gaza strip after Israel pulls out.
Great. Now a whole lot of people are going to die: Militants, Civilians, interior security, Israeli soldiers..
I think Gaza is going to become apart of Israel completely and I doubt Israel is going to listen to the UN again, they are not going to stop like in 2006.
[QUOTE=Western_Open]I think Gaza is going to become apart of Israel completely and I doubt Israel is going to listen to the UN again, they are not going to stop like in 2006.[/QUOTE]
Who really listens to the UN anymore? All they ever do 'condemn' everything.
[QUOTE=Karskin]So if a person signs up for a job where their life is put on the line, why is it surprising that they die in conflict with their opponents? The Hamas police force isn't the same as the American police force. The Gestapo was a police force. The NKVD was a police force.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, they are just as innocent as civilians. And they aren't a secret police either.
[QUOTE=Wigggles]Who really listens to the UN anymore? All they ever do 'condemn' everything.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, it's time they man up and take military action. Stop being pussies and using politics, obviously nobody's listening to diplomacy. It would be much better if they did, but they don't.
Israeli ground forces aren't taking Gaza strip for themselves but cleaning it from Hamas's weapons and shit
:foxnews:
[QUOTE=Gorgonoth]Such is the way of people clinging to primitive ideologies and idiosyncrasies. I don't know when the decline of religion will begin, but for the sake of humanity I hope it's soon. Honestly, take a look at a good bit of the wars in the past 2009 years, there's been maybe 10 or so that [b]weren't[/b] religious. I can count both world wars, the civil war, the war on terror, Vietnam, the Napoleonic Wars, and a few other older ones. Excluding those we've got crusades, romans beating the shit out of people, Berbers beating the shit out of people, Muslims going crazy in the name of Allah, more crusades, and general mass hysteria involving religious figures telling everyone to go fight each other. I'm all for religion, but maybe if it didn't cause so much fucking strife.[/QUOTE]
If there was absolutely no influence of religion, western civilization will ultimately collapse. Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the most famous atheist philosophers acknowledged that our civilization cannot exist without some influence by religion.
I can count at least two so-called "modern" ideologies in today's youth. I call them the ideology of the modern cavemen.
1. If it feels good do it.
2. It's not a crime if nobody saw it.
-Drugs? Let's do it and forget of all the long-term consequences.
-Sex? Let's do it and forget the risk of unplanned offspring (even birth control medications and accessories are not 100% full-proof.)
-Red light? Let's recklessly speed through the busy corner gas station.
-Angered and frustrated? Let's go on a pointless killing spree to gain attention and relieve frustration (real life and in-game.)
-Let's allow the children to do whatever they want instead of rearing the little devils to be gentlemen and women.
The mainstream media only concentrates on anything bad religion does and a flat zero on anything good religion does. Oh God help the sorry reporter who actually says anything good about religion!
-Let's forget about all the religious organizations trying to help people around the world. We'll just say they never existed.
I've caught bits and pieces of all sorts of little conversations as I go about my day from many people my age and younger (mainly younger,) and it does not sound promising at all.
Of course there is bad things from religion. There isn't anything in the world that doesn't have a bad side to it.
But that could be bad in it self. If they just leave when hamas is gone, a new much more RADICAL group could step in, and start a racial extermination against jews and other people. Then it would happen again. They must have thought of that already.
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant]:foxnews:[/QUOTE]
I was waiting for something like that to come up...
[quote=bush]"Anyone who thinks that the change in the Palestinian arena can be achieved through jet fighters' bombs and tanks and without dialogue is mistaken," he said.[/quote]
Then why are we giving Israel jet fighters and tanks?
[QUOTE=AlexDeviant]:foxnews:[/QUOTE]
I take it you don't see the big article of Sky News at the top?
Oh the irony of Israel.
The earlier bombings you can compare with the terror-bombings of Guernica almost. Now this is way worse. It's like a nazi occupation and they're readying to cleanse Gaza from Palestinians and take it all over - like they have done in other places in Israel.
Sucks for the Palestinians.
Religion does a lot of good and a lot of bad.
People still debate over which one outweighs the other..
[QUOTE=!LORD M!]Oh the irony of Israel.
The earlier bombings you can compare with the terror-bombings of Guernica almost. Now this is way worse. It's like a nazi occupation and they're readying to cleanse Gaza from Palestinians and take it all over - like they have done in other places in Israel.[/QUOTE]
I do also find it ironic that out of all the groups of people, the Semites should be the most sympathetic to the plight of a marginized population.
I guess not.
Saw this coming last night on CNN. Convoys of Merkavas waiting on the border.
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