• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=NoDachi]I do also find it ironic that out of all the groups of people, the Semites should be the most sympathetic to the plight of a marginized population. I guess not.[/QUOTE] Except the WW2 didn't start with the Jews bombing the Nazis.
Israel's attack. Have a friendly! :metis:
[QUOTE=Conscript]Regardless, they are just as innocent as civilians. And they aren't a secret police either.[/QUOTE] Except that is completely wrong, they are a "secret" police force, but they aren't secret because they don't believe what they are doing is wrong because they are crazy religious zealots, so they just pull shit out in the open and it makes news.
[QUOTE=Wordsworth]If everyone would leave Israel alone this wouldn't happen but everyone in the middle east and their grandma wants to fucking jump them because they're jews and took a bunch of worthless desert and turned it into a paradise.[/QUOTE] Oh worthless desert like the city of Tantura? you know that city where they split up the men from the women and children and massacred them. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=GunFox]Something I think a lot of people are missing here is that Hamas isn't really like a lot of terrorist organizations. They aren't a terrorist organization in the traditional sense. They are more like a rebel group that is HEAVILY funded by outside sources. So you have these rebel forces living in your country and attacking your people with all the zealousness and craziness of terrorists with the funding, backing, and frequently training, of a serious military force. [B]SO[/B] how do you all propose that Israel deals with this threat? Just rolls over and let them have their way? THEY ARE CRAZY. You don't want them in government. Israel chose to bomb civilian sectors rather than keep them inside their government. They chose to go to WAR rather than keep them inside the government. With good reason. Again, Hamas are crazy religious zealots. They roll with the old laws. Subjugation of women, stoning rape victims to death, etc etc. So what? You want those crazy fuckers to gain power over the Israelis? Israelis don't even have the death penalty. If people would stop attacking their civilians all day long every day, Israel wouldn't have to do shit like this. I mean look at Israel on the map: [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/LocationIsrael.svg[/url] Can you imagine a less strategically defensible position? They are constantly exposed to the country being bisected in two. With their capital sitting right on the edge of their territory. They are sitting there with their backs to the proverbial wall (THE FUCKING OCEAN) and attempting desperately to defend what is theirs from an extremist group which is willing to do anything to push its crazy agenda. I mean fuck, the Israelis have to design public buildings and street systems with CAR BOMBS IN MIND. The entire country is put together in an effort to reduce damage caused by suicide bombers. They have gone to great lengths to maintain peace and attempt to overcome the bombings. Everyone around them hates them with a passion, in spite of the fact that they would like nothing more than to be simply left alone. So basically what this boils down to is the fact that everyone who isn't an Israeli is an enemy combatant or supports them. So Israel has been backed into a corner and they are exercising their only real options left, which is to flex the muscle that they have, which their enemy does not: Direct confrontation. Keep in mind that these so called "terrorist attacks" against Israel aren't actually terrorist attacks. They are simply attacks by what is effectively a rival enemy military that lacks the ability to fight directly. Israel however cannot fight a guerrilla war because they lack sufficient numbers of crazy people to fuel such a fighting style. So they fight back in their own fashion with open warfare. Hamas has been pushing Israel towards this sort of thing for years and years now, and now they hide behind civilians and attempt to point the finger at Israel and call them the bad guy. Sorry Hamas, you are still using your own supporters as meat shields. You knew damn well that Israel was eventually going to be left with one option, and in reality this is exactly what you were going for all along. Hamas can't win a military campaign, but they can try to win a PR campaign by getting Israel to kill civilians. But in truth the blood isn't on Israeli hands, it is on the hands of Hamas.[/QUOTE] So...no mention of the blockade on Gaza, or how after the Israelis immediately pulled out of Gaza they shove thousands more ILLEGAL settlers in the West Bank. No mention of how Israel uses its illegal settlers as meat shields and saying that the settlements, which divide up Palestinian land along with "Israeli only roads" and the APARTHEID wall (Israel admittedly calls it the SEPARATION wall) just cannot be removed because it is "too late". Well of course it is too late, these fuckers have been building them and breaking international law since 1967. Israel was begging the Palestinians to democratically elect someone to represent them, Hamas just won, and unsurprisingly given that the Palestinians are treated like shit and as inferiors by the Israeli Army and Israeli society (Look up Hebron dumbass) I mean Arab Jews have a bad time, you think Palestinians are going to have it easy?
Well if Israel continue killing Hamas leaders at this rate this should be over soon.
[QUOTE=Karskin]Except that is completely wrong, they are a "secret" police force, but they aren't secret because they don't believe what they are doing is wrong because they are crazy religious zealots, so they just pull shit out in the open and it makes news.[/QUOTE] Oh fuck off =/ They're just regular policemen doing regular policing work. Like the most of Hamas, it's the only stable source of jobs for young, out of work men trying to provide for their families. Now they have to operate out of uniform otherwise they face bombing by Israeli drones. [b][highlight](User was banned for this post (Reason: It isn't nice to tell people to "fuck off") [event] 154302 [/event])[/highlight][/b]
I wonder if this will end up like the last time Israel tried to take over somewhere.
[QUOTE=nerfer2]Meh, he was bound to die anyway, but his kids :( [b]Edit:[/b] I NOE RIGHT! IT NOT LAND AT ALL RIGHT? YOU ARE SO SHMART, HAVE A TROPHY! A really love how atheists bring up relegion in HALF THE THREADS in the news section. It isn't relegion that drives this war, it is land, with a bit of relegion mixed in. You guys are turning out to be just as annoying as american christians, and they are dreadfully brainboiling annoying.[/QUOTE] Note how he said "one of the many", you know, implying more than just religion. Also when did he claim to be athiest? Don't be so quick to claim "athiest" on a person, I know many christians, jews, and catholics who believe religion is a main factor in many wars.
Shit... They were asking for it.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo]I wonder if this will end up like the last time Israel tried to take over somewhere.[/QUOTE] Are you speaking of the 2006 war?
Looks like Israel is trying to wipe out HAMAS once and for all and not just trying to defend themselves from them
[QUOTE=Karskin]Except that is completely wrong, they are a "secret" police force, but they aren't secret because they don't believe what they are doing is wrong because they are crazy religious zealots, so they just pull shit out in the open and it makes news.[/QUOTE] They are a police force that are part of a government democratically elected. There is no need for them to be secret, they have uniforms and are identifiable. The only secret police force is Israel's Shin Bet, but that is another story.
They'll just find another leader. And once they kill that one they'll be another. It doesn't matter
Why are these leaders sitting in range of the israeli artillery? Who on earth are they paying for their strategy?
[QUOTE=chris0132]Why are these leaders sitting in range of the israeli artillery? Who on earth are they paying for their strategy?[/QUOTE] On Thursday an [b]Israeli warplane[/b] dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on the home of one of Hamas' top five decision-makers, instantly killing him and 18 others.
[QUOTE=Wulfin]On Thursday an [b]Israeli warplane[/b] dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on the home of one of Hamas' top five decision-makers, instantly killing him and 18 others.[/QUOTE] Yes, so move them somewhere the israeli's can't bomb. I don't mean simply cannon, I mean any sort of long range ordinance, don't sit somewhere that's being bombed or shelled.
It's so fucking silly, little stupid wars for stupid reasons.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Yes, so move them somewhere the israeli's can't bomb. I don't mean simply cannon, I mean any sort of long range ordinance, don't sit somewhere that's being bombed or shelled.[/QUOTE] Where exactly [i]can't[/i] Israel bomb?
[QUOTE=Chippays] Holy shit you're dumb. This is not about "WELL LOOK WHAT YOU DID 50 YEARS AGO" This is about what's happening right now, and why it isn't right.[/QUOTE] it's the scale i'm talking about you're just to dumb to know ;)
[QUOTE=chris0132]Yes, so move them somewhere the israeli's can't bomb. I don't mean simply cannon, I mean any sort of long range ordinance, don't sit somewhere that's being bombed or shelled.[/QUOTE] Well keep in mind that this entire region is extremely small. Chances are that they would have to move several countries away to even get past the fuel range of Israeli F-15's. Also note that Israel has somewhat old, but still extremely lethal and superior American hardware at their disposal. Fleeing may not have even been an option. Except for Egypt, the gaza strip is surrounded by Israel and the ocean. And if I know the Israelis, that shit was locked down long before the first payloads were even on the planes.
[QUOTE=GunFox]Well keep in mind that this entire region is extremely small. Chances are that they would have to move several countries away to even get past the fuel range of Israeli F-15's. Also note that Israel has somewhat old, but still extremely lethal and superior American hardware at their disposal.[/QUOTE] I know that but israel can't fly over lots of other countries and bomb their buildings without causing a stink. SO really they only have to move outside the border.
[QUOTE=chris0132]I know that but israel can't fly over lots of other countries and bomb their buildings without causing a stink. SO really they only have to move outside the border.[/QUOTE] Yeah initially I thought you meant permanently, updated the post to address the fleeing issue as well.
[QUOTE=Detective P]So much for that fact that the Qur'an states that Jews and Christians- or people of the book- are to be respected because we still worship the same God, just under different prophets.[/QUOTE] Yeah, its called being a dumbass. You see Hamas are a bunch of dumbasses. Well that's all I got to say! :D But seriously, this is just taking the piss or its Fox News. Either way it is taking the piss.
[QUOTE=Kaze06]Wrong, it's from Chicago. IMI bought it out.[/QUOTE] It's from Israel...
But you shouldn't even be there at all, they should have buggered off before they started the attack. It just doesn't make sense to me to put your commanders right next to your attacking forces when you can expect a counterattack.
[QUOTE=chris0132]But you shouldn't even be there at all, they should have buggered off before they started the attack. It just doesn't make sense to me to put your commanders right next to your attacking forces when you can expect a counterattack.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm totally with you that they shouldn't have been there at all. I'm just trying to come up with reasons which explain their presence. I mean I [I]assume[/I] there is a reason beyond they suck.
Israeli are badass.
Well no fucking surprise. I'm sure if you were to toss a grenade into a room full of people you're sure to kill a criminal sooner or later. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Adbor]Israeli are badass.[/QUOTE] They're assholes. Real bad asses go in on foot armed with axes. Bombs are not bad ass; except for nukes, but the sheer stupidity required to actually use one would sap any coolness you might have gained by doing so.
It's scaling up, things are going to get worse before they get better. [QUOTE=Toline]Get dem' [b]TERRORISTS![/b][/QUOTE] Israel or Hamas? Israel just happens to have been considered a government.
[QUOTE=Dame]Then why are we giving Israel jet fighters and tanks?[/QUOTE] Because you are not giving them, the money makers and the real decision makers are doing that. Not your dumbass dickhead president.
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