• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=thisispain]Yeah man kill everything nah it's justified cause I'm a jew see we must ignore the things learned from the holocaust[/QUOTE] Yea I agree the Israeli invasion is totally like the holocaust in every way
[QUOTE=chris0132]It just doesn't make sense to me to put your commanders right next to your attacking forces when you can expect a counterattack.[/QUOTE] Hint: They aren't actually an integral part of their command structure. Second hint: A casualty only one side confirms likely isn't a casualty.
Hamas are not the best, of course not, it would be good if they were a little less extreme. But then again they are the only group standing up to Israel. Fatah has become a puppet and Hamas is now the only group of people that goes anywhere close to representing the Palestinians in Gaza. So are they protecting the Palestinians from EVIL Israel? No they are not, they are trying to free the Palestinians from APARTHEID Israel. Even though their methods are messed up. EDIT: I would like to mention that Zionism was and is a colonial ideology that was born amongst the British Empire, it is a Jewish state for the race of the Jewish people and that state was founded in a place full of indigenous Palestinian Arabs...what do you think will happen?
[QUOTE=chris0132]But you shouldn't even be there at all, they should have buggered off before they started the attack.[/QUOTE] Leading by example perhaps? Even if that simply means standing ground and getting bombed :v:
[QUOTE=OHaiYo]I'm an asshole :c00l:[/QUOTE] yes.
[QUOTE=GunFox]And its proximity to Jerusalem and the fact that the two sides are split totally down the Muslim/ Jew line means nothing. It is a holy war. Get over it. People are killing each other because they have different imaginary friends. You think it would be anywhere near the same problem if Hitler had killed a bunch of Muslims and the UN created Israel as a place for them to go post WWII? No. They would have barely batted an eye. The social fallout would be almost non existent even if they had a totally different skin color. They would have gladly accepted the UN's proposal of a bisected state or joint rule. The Arab Muslims would never have decided to go batshit crazy and start killing the Refugee Muslims and none of this would happen. Different. Imaginary. Friends.[/QUOTE] In 1947 When the Arab Nationalists who didn't give a shit about God and only gave a shit about their kings provoked the Israeli Zionists who also didn't give a shit about God, the Zionists attacked the Palestinian villages and attempted to ethnically cleanse most of the villages (look up Nakbah) The people who lost their homes as a result (5 million now) are still waiting for justice. This conflict has to do with territory and money. Hamas was created in the first Intifada (1987) in Gaza as an off shoot of the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt (Gaza was under Egyptian Jurisdiction) and were ENCOURAGED by Israel to attack SECULAR Palestinian resistance. I hope you get the point.
No matter your point of view, i'm sure we all can agree that this is really a bad move, this could bring the end to Hamas, if the palestinians don't support them, they will fall.
The Palestinians will always support them because they are the only group left with power, unfortunately. They would rather fight back than sit under a blockade and being occupied.
Hamas is a joke. Funny people actually side with terrorists on these forums.
Hey I am not really siding with Hamas here, but they were democratically elected and do have a governmental system in place and they managed to provoke Israel/give it the excuse of a ground offensive. Doesn't sound like a "joke" to me.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett]Hamas is a joke. Funny people actually side with terrorists on these forums.[/QUOTE] People like you side with Israel because you're uninformed about the whole situation. Not that I completely agree with everything Hamas does.
[QUOTE=acds]No matter your point of view, i'm sure we all can agree that this is really a bad move, this could bring the end to Hamas, if the palestinians don't support them, they will fall.[/QUOTE] This won't give anything but support to Hamas.
Look at these forums for a case study :v:
Hey this conflict will make history, might as well learn about it now. :v:
[QUOTE=johnlukeg]but if nobody was standing up to Israel like that they'd stay oppressed forever, really.[/QUOTE] Bullshit.
neat another article from a Zionist news source with unverified claims about an area that journalists have no access to because of the Zionist fear of negative press (aka pictures of dead Palestinian children) I'll be sure to trust this site
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]neat another article from a Zionist news source with unverified claims about an area that journalists have no access to because of the Zionist fear of negative press (aka pictures of dead Palestinian children) I'll be sure to trust this site[/QUOTE] Well considering that's censored from most countries media, I see your argument as being void. Also don't use Arab media to support your argument then.
Funny that everybody believes Palestinian, Hamas or Arab sources but not Israeli, face it, Israel is doing what is neccessary, and that you like them or not, they are a lot better than Hamas or other terrorist organizations. If you support Hamas, why don't you support Al-queda then? afterall, Hamas want's to liberate Palestine from the Israelis, Al-queda wants to free the middle east from western countries, the methods are the same, only that Hamas haven't got as many resources as Al-queda. These news should be enough to demonstrate that Hamas is no better than any other terrorist organization.
Who here is supporting Hamas? I've only heard condemnation for Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli territory. The issue is the Israeli response.
[QUOTE=KillerTV]Who here is supporting Hamas? I've only heard condemnation for Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli territory. The issue is the Israeli response.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that somebody actually is, i said if, i wasn't pointing at anybody.
What is a terrorist? Someone who uses terror to force people to act in a certain way or to put them in their place. That is what Hamas tries to do, so yes they are terrorist. But Israel also does that, with their known methods of flying jets low over people's homes, house demolitions, tear gas, torture in prisons. Here is one very common method of torture: "The Cupboard": detainees are put in a confined space (one square meter) in complete darkness and subjected to constant loud noises. These "cupboards" can be found in a lot of military compounds in the West Bank and in the ones that used to be in the Gaza strip. But of course the Israelis pulled out of there and shoved another thousand or so illegal settlers in the West Bank and closed the borders allowing no food or aid in. Israel is a terrorist organization, it uses terror just like any other terror organization. Here is an interesting read: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2255902.stm[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre[/url]
[QUOTE=hayatli7]What is a terrorist? Someone who uses terror to force people to act in a certain way or to put them in their place. That is what Hamas tries to do, so yes they are terrorist. Bla bla bla bla Israel is a terrorist organization, it uses terror just like any other terror organization. bla bla bla[/QUOTE] Using your exquisite definition of Terror and Terrorism, we can all agree that the Government of the USA are Terrorists aswell. :downs:
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Basically so they have monopoly on the media. But they failed to realise the BBC already has offices in Gaza.[/QUOTE] I bet that was one of the first buildings to get bombed because it was a "Hamas military communications building".
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]you could start arguing, or you could, you know, post a link at least[/QUOTE] He did post a link, quit being ignorant. [url]http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733155685&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull[/url] It's from Jerusalem Post, the official Israeli newspaper for English Speakers.
[QUOTE=mr-kaki]He did post a link, quit being ignorant. [url]http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733155685&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull[/url] It's from Jerusalem Post, the official Israeli newspaper for English Speakers.[/QUOTE] He didn't he edited it in later you fool :v: Anyway I've been reading the Jerusalem Post, it's a crock of shit. All of the stories seem to be garbage or are wrote solely for promoted an agenda.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Especially since Israel is still stopping international journalists from entering. [/QUOTE] And? You know this how?
[QUOTE=amute]And? You know this how?[/QUOTE] In every article the BBC has wrote about this conflict they always add the disclaimer about Israel blockading information about the conflict. [QUOTE=BBC]Israel is refusing to let international journalists into Gaza, despite a Supreme Court ruling to allow a limited number of reporters to enter the territory.[/QUOTE] Here is a nice article on it as well [Quote=BBC][b]Ban on foreign media[/b] Israel has bolstered its approach by banning foreign correspondents from Gaza, despite a ruling from the Israeli Supreme Court. The Arab television news channel Al Jazeera is operating there and its reports have been graphic and have affected opinion across the Arab world. The BBC also has its local bureau hard at work. But the absence of reporters from major organisations has meant, for example, that Mr Samur's story has not been as widely told as it probably would have been, or his account subject to an on-the-spot examination. Meanwhile Israel has received good coverage of the threats and damage to its own towns and communities. Whether Israel retains any propaganda initiative is not all certain. Pictures of dead and wounded children have undermined its claim to pinpoint accuracy and the longer this goes on, the greater the potential for world public opinion to swing against it, with diplomatic pressure building for a cessation. Its presentational problems would be hugely increased if it engaged in a ground operation, which would bring with it more pictures of death and destruction.[/quote] Rest of the article: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm[/url]
I hope Israel steps this up a notch and begins the killing of all Palestinians altogether. Not because I want them dead, but because maybe people will stop just letting Israel doing what they want, and stand up to them. I bet you they will call whoever attacks them "anti-semites" :rolleye:
[QUOTE=hayatli7]What is a terrorist? Someone who uses terror to force people to act in a certain way or to put them in their place. That is what Hamas tries to do, so yes they are terrorist. But Israel also does that, with their known methods of flying jets low over people's homes, house demolitions, tear gas, torture in prisons. Here is one very common method of torture: "The Cupboard": detainees are put in a confined space (one square meter) in complete darkness and subjected to constant loud noises. These "cupboards" can be found in a lot of military compounds in the West Bank and in the ones that used to be in the Gaza strip. But of course the Israelis pulled out of there and shoved another thousand or so illegal settlers in the West Bank and closed the borders allowing no food or aid in. Israel is a terrorist organization, it uses terror just like any other terror organization. Here is an interesting read: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2255902.stm[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre[/url][/QUOTE] And let me guess, the brave Hamas is a series of humane freedom fighters?
Am I the only person who's sick of hearing about this and doesn't give a shit ? [b][highlight](User was banned for this post (Reason: Why reply) [event] 154871 [/event])[/highlight][/b]
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