[QUOTE=mr-kaki]He did post a link, quit being ignorant.[/QUOTE]
he quietly edited the link in hours after i asked for it, to get people to post comments like that
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stop being so ignorant
[QUOTE=amute]And let me guess, the brave Hamas is a series of humane freedom fighters?[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck is it so goddamn hard for you to understand people may not think there [I]is[/I] a fucking good guy?
He pointed out a valid point. How is Israel better than Hamas?
[QUOTE=Endzone]Why the fuck is it so goddamn hard for you to understand people may not think there [I]is[/I] a fucking good guy?
He pointed out a valid point. How is Israel better than Hamas?[/QUOTE]
They don't hide their bases inside cities. Ask yourself that, doesn't that seem a bit coincidental.
[QUOTE=amute]They don't hide their bases inside cities. Ask yourself that, doesn't that seem a bit coincidental.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that has something to do with the whole "Israel has walled them in" thing. :downs:
[QUOTE=Endzone]Maybe that has something to do with the whole "Israel has walled them in" thing. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Or the whole "Hamas uses civilians as shields thing." :downs:
[QUOTE=amute]Or the whole "Hamas uses civilians as shields thing." :downs:[/QUOTE]
Kind of hard [I]not[/I] to when you're walled inside a ghetto.
[QUOTE=Endzone]Kind of hard [I]not[/I] to when you're walled inside a ghetto.[/QUOTE]
pfft they should have built their bases in the sea
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB]pfft they should have built their bases in the sea[/QUOTE]
pussie they should have built em on the moon.
[QUOTE=tribes360]In WW2 there was massmurder against the Jews, now they're doing the exact same thing. Gaza is a region with many peoples living, Israel is not allowing journalists to get in there to report so they can show the world what the Israelis are doing in Gaza. I'm so mad right now, the world is watching while the Israelis are performing massmurder against the Palestinians. The world wanted that there should be democratic votes in Gaza, the peoples chose Hamas and now the Israelis are try to get rid of them?[/QUOTE]
[b]OH MY GOD. YOU IDIOTS KEEP COMPARING ISRAEL TO NAZI GERMANY FOR KILLING 400 PEOPLE, BUT HOLY FUCK, THE US KILLED AS OF CURRENT, OVER 50,000 CIVILIAN AND SECURITY PERSONNEL IN IRAQ THROUGH FRIENDLY FIRE, BOMBING RUNS, AND ETC. ISRAEL IS NOT FUCKING NAZI GERMANY, THEY'RE NOT FASCIST ITALY, AND THEY'RE NOT IMPERIALISTIC JAPAN.[/b]
[QUOTE=tribes360]How can anyone think that the Israelis are doing a good thing? Over 2300 wounded and the death rate is hitting 500 soon (where the majority are the civilians. No, the Palestinians in Gaza can't escape, the Israelis have assured to lock them up as caged animals. They can't run into Israel to take cover nor can they take cover in Egypt. Israel is NOT allowing FN supplies into Gaza, the civilians are dying! Maybe I'm just dreaming? Why is not the world doing anything to stop the next holocaust being done right now!?!?[/QUOTE]
You are dreaming, because you're another one of these morons thinking that just because some people died accidentally that Israel is a great crusading evil that wishes to eradicate the whole of Gaza, the West Bank, and Palestine. Israel is trying to eradicate Hamas, because they're an annoying terrorist organization in the guise of a helping political party. The Israeli's are not committing Genocide, and I think your death toll numbers are wrong.
[QUOTE=tribes360]This tactic will fail, the civilians will like Hamas more as their families and friends getting bombed. Maybe that's what the Israelis want, so they can come back after a year or so to literally "clean" out the area for "infidels" and expand their area...[/QUOTE]
No they won't, the people just wanted to live in peace, but what does Hamas do? Fires missiles into Israel. Do you honestly expect there not to be consequences for something like that? Plus their mission is to destroy Hamas, not eradicate Palestinian people.
Jeez.
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I wish people would stop relating this to world war 2
[QUOTE=amute]And let me guess, the brave Hamas is a series of humane freedom fighters?[/QUOTE]
You obviously can't read or you want to pick a fight. READ IT AGAIN!
Territory and money? What is there? What is so ungodly valuable that they must slaughter people for it? Israel is a bit smaller than New Jersey and has no major natural resources of any real consequence. On top of that the region is a shitty place to exist based on climate and local rainfall to begin with. There would have to be money to be had for there to be a money dispute, and what money Israel does have is the result of the extremely well educated and intelligent population pushing the tech industry. (especially, from what I understand, in the laser department. Israeli scientists looove lasers.)
Furthermore, there are only two types of legitimate ways to create suicide bombers in large numbers:
1) Have a society so powerful that you can convince your soldiers that dying for their country is an honorable action worth their lives. This was the method used for the Japanese kamikaze pilots in WWII
2) Have a religion so powerful that you can convince your followers en masse that god wants them to give their lives up for the cause and that they will be forever rewarded for it.
Outside of that, it is extremely difficult to create enough soldiers to fuel a suicide bombing war machine. Humans are like all other mammals and possess an extremely strong self preservation drive.
So which one do you think is responsible for the suicide bombers hitting the Israelis?
There is no doubt that the two sides behind the Israelis and Hamas are not interested at all in their religious differences, and frankly I don't even feel like the Israelis give a shit either, but the Arabic resistance is all about death to the Jews.
They legalized the crucifixion of followers of other religions. The Hamas offensive is publicly referred to as a Jihad and they make use of the Shari laws.
THEY. ARE. FUELED. BY. RELIGION.
I hope you get the point.
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In the past week and a half, the major world news story has been Isreali's attacks against Hamas in Gaza, first through airstrikes and now with a ground assault. This group has its share of Israel supporters, pragamatists, and Palestine supporters. In using these labels, I don't mean to imply that support of Isreal precludes support of a Palestinian state, or that support of Palestine precludes the acknowledgement of Isreal's right to exist. Rather, I mean that the group is split on the nature of Isreal's response to Hamas rockets into Isreali territory, whether the response is acceptable, and whether it is proportionate. For the record, I do think Isreal has the right to defend itself, but that the response has been vastly disproportionate and wrong. But that's not what I'm going to focus on.
The reality is that Isreal and Hamas both need each other, and both contribute to the suffering of Palestinians. In Isreal, with elections looming, there is an idiotic charade taking place between the two major candidates, Netanyahu and Livni, over whom is the more hawkish war mongerer. Isreal is currently taking military action against a territory it illegally occupied before a psuedo-pullout in 2005, while still having tons of control over basic materials and goods being sent into Gaza. Isreal is guilty of continuing illegal settlements in the West Bank, and generally guilty of human rights violations and crimes against humanity. The Isreali hawks love the current conflict, and for all of their facades, don't care one bit about any Palestinian civilian that dies.
Hamas, for all of the controversy over some Isrealis dying in rocket attacks, does not terrorize the Isrealis as much as it terrorizes Palestinians. It launches rockets from areas in Gaza that are packed with civilians, hoping to use the Israeli response and subsequent civilian deaths as emotional currency to win the votes of the poor and uneducated Palestinians, who suffer lives of misery that Hamas works to compound. For the same reason, Hamas cowardly hides weapons inside mosques, hoping to use the Isreali response as evidence of a "Zionist war against Islam." Hamas is not relevant unless there is conflict, and it is being attacked. It needs an Isreali military response to stay relevant and tug on the emotions of Palestinians, to pretend to be the defenders of Palestinian Muslims, who feel they have no other choice but to keep electing the people who compound their suffering.
A Hamas-Isreal conflict benefits Hamas in its elections, and it benefits Isrealis in their elections. Isreal and Hamas, partners in Palestinian suffering, truly need each other. As usual, the Palestinian people lose.
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I thought this was pretty good.
Indeed. It does sum up the irony of this conflict nicely.
[QUOTE=tribes360]In WW2 there was massmurder against the Jews, now they're doing the exact same thing. Gaza is a region with many peoples living, Israel is not allowing journalists to get in there to report so they can show the world what the Israelis are doing in Gaza. I'm so mad right now, the world is watching while the Israelis are performing massmurder against the Palestinians. The world wanted that there should be democratic votes in Gaza, the peoples chose Hamas and now the Israelis are try to get rid of them?
How can anyone think that the Israelis are doing a good thing? Over 2300 wounded and the death rate is hitting 500 soon (where the majority are the civilians. No, the Palestinians in Gaza can't escape, the Israelis have assured to lock them up as caged animals. They can't run into Israel to take cover nor can they take cover in Egypt. Israel is NOT allowing FN supplies into Gaza, the civilians are dying! Maybe I'm just dreaming? Why is not the world doing anything to stop the next holocaust being done right now!?!?
This tactic will fail, the civilians will like Hamas more as their families and friends getting bombed. Maybe that's what the Israelis want, so they can come back after a year or so to literally "clean" out the area for "infidels" and expand their area...[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking serious :downs:
While it is nearing 500, the last count I heard of civilian deaths was somewhere around 64. Out of 500. And don't even fucking compare this to the Holocaust, it is nowhere even [i]near[/i] the realm of the Holocaust.
Nazi Germany - Killed approximately six million innocent people.
Israel - 500, 64 civilians.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxNgnQ9m30[/media]
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[QUOTE=massn7]Are you fucking serious :downs:
While it is nearing 500, the last count I heard of civilian deaths was somewhere around 64. Out of 500. And don't even fucking compare this to the Holocaust, it is nowhere even [i]near[/i] the realm of the Holocaust.
Nazi Germany - Killed approximately six million innocent people.
Israel - 500, 64 civilians.[/QUOTE]
Actually a lot more than that, but there was almost 6 million Jews.
[QUOTE=Karskiner]Actually a lot more than that, but there was almost 6 million Jews.[/QUOTE]
-snip, read it wrong-
Six million Jews... you are right. It's too late to be posting here :)
Fascist Germany killed millions of soviets, jews, poles, and insignificant others, yet Israel is a totalitarian dictatorship that seeks to wipe out Palestine for killing five hundred civilians.
I completely see the logic in that. :raise:
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People are making too big a deal over Israel's faults, but it is still a dick.
[QUOTE=massn7]
Nazi Germany - Killed approximately six million innocent people.
Israel - 500, 64 civilians.[/QUOTE]
Surprisingly enough, Israel has killed Palestinians before this incidents.
Thousands to be precise.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Surprisingly enough, Israel has killed Palestinians before this incidents.
Thousands to be precise.[/QUOTE]
Haven't they been fighting since the 50s or 60s?
[QUOTE=Chippays]Surprisingly enough, Israel has killed Palestinians before this incidents.
Thousands to be precise.[/QUOTE]
That's not precise.
Not at all.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Surprisingly enough, Israel has killed Palestinians before this incidents.
Thousands to be precise.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but he was speaking in direct relation to this conflict.
An Israeli friend of mine yelled at me about me being a traitor because of casually saying that Israel should pull out.
FYI I'm a Jew.
[QUOTE=timman2112]Haven't they been fighting since the 50s or 60s?[/QUOTE]
Slightly before that.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1]That's not precise.
Not at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm a god damn hero where is my respect
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[QUOTE=massn7]Yes, but he was speaking in direct relation to this conflict.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't change the fact he's disregarding thousands upon thousands of Palestinian dead because they had the (mis)fortune to die before this.
Goddammit this thread is all wonky now that it was merged.
[QUOTE=GunFox]THEY. ARE. FUELED. BY. RELIGION.[/QUOTE]
Hamas says they are motivated for political reasons and not religious reasons. Look at their history, and that makes sense.
[QUOTE=Chippays]Surprisingly enough, Israel has killed Palestinians before this incidents.
Thousands to be precise.[/QUOTE]
Certainly nowhere near enough to have a justice comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.
Palestinians have killed Israelis before.
Thousands to be precise.
Hell, I can't understand the people on here who keep bashing Isreal.
Just imagine what the USA would do if Cuba decided to launch rockets at Florida. :rolleye:
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