[QUOTE=OHaiYo]How about you stop this argument and ask someone who actually lives in Israel, how he feels?[/QUOTE]
No, because the answer will probably have a huge bias. Ask yourself is it ok for a country to try and bomb another country into submission by causing massive civilan casualties.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]I'm still not seeing why you're empathizing with innocent Palestinians and yet don't give two shits about the Israelis. This is still just a matter of bitching at who's killing innocents best, not at everyone for killing innocents period.[/QUOTE]
Because Israel is in the position where it doesn't have to kill anyone, or at least not as many as it chooses to do so. Gunboat diplomacy clearly does not seem to be working, correct?
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Hamas will out last Israel in this conflict. They're going to win. You should know it.
On the last day, when Israel finally gives up and withdraws, a rocket will be fired from Gaza into Israel. While it won't do anything, it'll be very symbolic.[/QUOTE]
As will be the immediate retaliatory airstrike.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]He's a BBC reporter still. He's a article on the BBC's staff in Gaza.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/[/url][/QUOTE]
He wasn't a BBC reporter a few weeks ago.
Very unbias report from him in the past year:
[url]http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/20/world/fg-gaza20[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Because Israel is in the position where it doesn't have to kill anyone, or at least not as many as it chooses to do so. Gunboat diplomacy clearly does not seem to be working, correct?[/QUOTE]
Read Gunfox's bit about how they're doing what they need to do to protect their civilians, and then try to remember that this hasn't been going on long enough for us to know if it will work or not.
Hamas is a thick bunch, you need to give them some time to catch on to simple concepts.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]Hamas is a thick bunch, you need to give them some time to catch on to simple concepts.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. It seems to be Israel who are the knucklescrapers playing into Hamas's hands. It'll just be yet another political and military disaster for the Israelis.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]On the last day, when Israel finally gives up and withdraws, a rocket will be fired from Gaza into Israel. While it won't do anything, it'll be very symbolic.[/QUOTE]Haha, you're joking right?
[QUOTE=NoDachi]That is why this conflict is so senseless, and Israel will never learn.[/QUOTE]
Lebanon, Israel learnt - and the losses will not happen again.
[QUOTE=doggunn]He wasn't a BBC reporter a few weeks ago.
Very unbias report from him in the past year:
[url]http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/20/world/fg-gaza20[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah he worked with an Israeli newspaper as well.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]The UN denies all claims that Hamas has been using their instillations as bases.
When are people going to open your eyes.
Fun fact: 205 children have been killed. [b]Killed[/b]. But what can you expect when Israel drops thousand pound bombs in crowded residential areas.
[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/middle_east_enl_1231274111/img/1.jpg[/img]
Yeah those kids have been firing rockets :downs:
But hey remember when the fabled Israeli intelligence provided this amazing footage of them surgically striking some Hamas rockets? When in fact it turned out to be simply workers loading gas canisters onto a truck? Wow they screwed up big time, especially after parading this on TV as 'proof' of their effectiveness.
Also another cool fact: International European doctors at a hospital in Gaza reported only two militant casualties among hundreds of civilian casualties. Yet you people still believe Israeli propaganda?[/QUOTE]
Wow
3 kids
that's like, 1000 times less kids than in Israel
we got dead people here too, not from their rockets but from the endless terror over the years.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Yeah he worked with an Israeli newspaper as well.[/QUOTE]
Hmm... link?
[QUOTE=doggunn]Haha, you're joking right?
Lebanon, Israel learnt - and the losses will not happen again.[/QUOTE]
Clearly. Well the money is on Israel making a fool of them selves again. Even
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7815263.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi]I disagree. It seems to be Israel who are the knucklescrapers playing into Hamas's hands. It'll just be yet another political and military disaster for the Israelis.[/QUOTE]
Brotip: The "political" disaster isn't a disaster given the free world doesn't give two shits, and the "military" disaster is nonexistent- Israel is still killing far more men than Hamas is.
[QUOTE=OHaiYo]Wow
3 kids
that's like, 1000 times less kids than in Israel
we got dead people here too, not from their rockets but from the endless terror over the years.[/QUOTE]
Show me one picture with 3 dead Israeli kids.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]Brotip: The "political" disaster isn't a disaster given the free world doesn't give two shits, and the "military" disaster is nonexistent- Israel is still killing far more men than Hamas is.[/QUOTE]
A military disaster is not defined by a Kill:death ratio you numpty. This isn't counterstrike :v:
It's a disaster if they fail to achieve military objectives.
Vietnam is a good example of a total military and political disaster.
Likewise was Lebanon.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Clearly. Well the money is on Israel making a fool of them selves again. Even
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7815263.stm[/url][/QUOTE]
Clearly. I'm sick of the BBC, find a new media source. P.S. that video still isn't buffering for me.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]A military disaster is not defined by a Kill:death ratio you numpty.[/QUOTE]
The kill/death ratio is a good idea of whether or not they'll succeed eventually, lad.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]Likewise was Lebanon.[/QUOTE]
But the rockets stopped. The reason why it was a disaster for Lebanon, because Hezbollah used new tacticts that the IDF were not prepared for, and Israel lost too many soldiers in the conflict. If Israel were to invade South Lebanon again, to rid the Hezbollah, they'd succeed this time.
[QUOTE=doggunn]But the rockets stopped.[/QUOTE]
But the capability remains. The rockets where only a provocation.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]But the capability remains. The rockets where only a provocation.[/QUOTE]
That's why Israel have entered the Gaza strip... to stop the rockets. They don't care if the capacity remains, all they want is it to stop.
But how will they stop them? Hamas is just the manifestation of a wider ideology.
There will always be rockets until Israel manages to find a solution to the Middle-eastern question.
[QUOTE=NoDachi]But how will they stop them? Hamas is just the manifestation of a wider ideology.[/QUOTE]
If Israel managers to cripple the HAMAS to a certain extent, they will make sure no similar ideology ever takes control of that area.
Like they had successfully done the last 50 years?
This isn't some new development in the grand scheme of things. This shit has been going on for a long ass time. How is it any different today?
If anything, Palestinian resistance has only got stronger. Long gone are the days when Hamas was just a bunch of disenfranchised teenagers throwing rocks.
[QUOTE=doggunn]If Israel managers to cripple the HAMAS to a certain extent, they will make sure no similar ideology ever takes control of that area.[/QUOTE]
Did you ever hear about Alexander the Great?
[QUOTE=NoDachi]If anything, Palestinian resistance has only got stronger. Long gone are the days when Hamas was just a bunch of disenfranchised teenagers throwing rocks.[/QUOTE]
Nah, they still are stupid enough to throw rocks. They don't seem to understand that Israel have better weapons than they do.
And the HAMAS have gotten only slightly better rockets. Now they can hit Israel's super secret nuclear plant. :lol:
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[QUOTE=Fred]Did you ever hear about Alexander the Great?[/QUOTE]
They had rockets and guns!
The new bomb they use in Gaza, is fucking disturbing! :eek:
[url]http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/10102006_gaza_eng.asp[/url]
The worst thing is, if you're hit, there is a BIG risk of cancer.
Israel to treat 'stray dogs and cats' for rocket trauma
[url]http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20090105235654953[/url]
No idea if it's remotely valid but i laughed.
Israel is loose, Gaza doesn't own any combat technics and they kill childs with super-weapons.
[QUOTE=Grey-Fox]The new bomb they use in Gaza, is fucking disturbing! :eek:
[url]http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/10102006_gaza_eng.asp[/url]
The worst thing is, if you're hit, there is a BIG risk of cancer.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly sure how that can cause cancer - and it's a new weapon designed to be destructive within a 5m radius, but after that, the damage drops down dramatically.
Also, it makes lots of shrapnel, sounds like a rocket coming from the HAMAS!
Shrapnel ?
[QUOTE=doggunn]Not exactly sure how that can cause cancer - and it's a new weapon designed to be destructive within a 5m radius, but after that, the damage drops down dramatically.
Also, it makes lots of shrapnel, sounds like a rocket coming from the HAMAS![/QUOTE]
Dude you have convinced me that you are a fucking bot.
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