[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134650]They were trying to set up refugee camps... But that turned out as a failure after Israel killed the refugees...[/QUOTE]
Gaza is a 139 square miles.
Setting up refugee camps doesn't really work when you have that little room. It was a retarded move to begin with.
Refugee camps are something you setup with peace keepers in a place that isn't anywhere near the fighting.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134667]Yes yes, you've said this before. I don't get how it's relevant, are you saying any ceasefire with Israel should be denied because of this? How the fuck can they possibly work towards peace?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that every past cease-fire hasn't worked, why will the next one?
[QUOTE=GunFox;13134710]Gaza is a 139 square miles.
Setting up refugee camps doesn't really work when you have that little room. It was a retarded move to begin with.
Refugee camps are something you setup with peace keepers in a place that isn't anywhere near the fighting.[/QUOTE]
So let me get this straight, about 5 or 10 pages ago there were people laying the blame on citizens for staying in gaza, not knowing they could not leave.
Then people said it was their fault for not reaching the refugee camps
Now it's the UN's fault for assuming that Isreal's pinpoint missiles wouldn't hit targets that were being constantly updated in coalition with IDF forces.
I guess it's a lose lose situation for the average palestinian man, he should just kill himself now and spare himself the torment.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13134734]I'm saying that every past cease-fire hasn't worked, why will the next one?[/QUOTE]
Then don't fucking say they haven't been working towards peace during the conflict?
And israel hasn't been exactly nice to the palestinians in the inbetween periods.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134788]Then don't fucking say they haven't been working towards peace during the conflict?
And israel hasn't been exactly nice to the palestinians in the inbetween periods.[/QUOTE]
Except all they've ever done during the cease-fires in re-arm and fire more rockets.
To them a cease-fire is still war without being shot back at, remember that Geneva convention? Yeah, Hamas doesn't play by the rules.
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That isn't exactly considered the in between period. Which then leads you into the whole issue of a terrorist organization being grouped with average citizens for some unknown reason. (It's their fault that Isreal doesn't give a shit who dies!)
And I'm sorry to inform you for the 5th time, but the purpose of the geneva convention is to lay blame on someone for breaking the law, not warranting someone to break it themselves when things go bad.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134859]That isn't exactly considered the in between period. Which then leads you into the whole issue of a terrorist organization being grouped with average citizens for some unknown reason. (It's their fault that Isreal doesn't give a shit who dies!)[/QUOTE]
The terroists group themselves with the average citizen, so that they average citizen gets killed - and then its published in the media.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134859]That isn't exactly considered the in between period. Which then leads you into the whole issue of a terrorist organization being grouped with average citizens for some unknown reason. (It's their fault that Isreal doesn't give a shit who dies!)
And I'm sorry to inform you for the 5th time, but the purpose of the geneva convention is to lay blame on someone for breaking the law, not warranting someone to break it themselves when things go bad.[/QUOTE]
You completely don't pay attention to anything do you?
The terrorist organization is the Palestinian government that the people voted into power. Hamas uses the people as shields and the people harbour them. Also Jesus fucking Christ, it's Israel, not "isreal".
I know what the Geneva convention is, Hamas doesn't follow it, so all your arguments become invalid when you suggest conventional means of solving the dispute that other countries would use. They won't work, because Hamas doesn't follow rules. The only thing that can really be done is Israel taking action.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134764]
I guess it's a lose lose situation for the average palestinian man, he should just kill himself now and spare himself the torment.[/QUOTE]
They do that too. Often in the middle of a busy Israeli intersection with a bomb on their chest.
Bwahahahahah okay sorry sorry, that one was too easy. :-P
I don't really care where they go. I'm largely apathetic to their plight. Their government attacked Israel. Now they are getting fucked over because they voted in religious zealots.
[QUOTE=GunFox;13134944]They do that too. Often in the middle of a busy Israeli intersection with a bomb on their chest.
Bwahahahahah okay sorry sorry, that one was too easy. :-P
I don't really care where they go. I'm largely apathetic to their plight. Their government attacked Israel. Now they are getting fucked over because they voted in religious zealots.[/QUOTE]
Where is my damn agree
[QUOTE=doggunn;13134934]The terroists group themselves with the average citizen, so that they average citizen gets killed - and then its published in the media.[/QUOTE]
You'd have to be stark mad to assume every airstrike killed a militant along with the 50 deaths that ensued.
Plus Gunfox himself said it was "standard military procedure" to move on to killing citizens after the military was out of the way to break morale. To which one of you (I don't remember which) stated something along the lines of "wow someone who actually knows about the military on FP, AMAZING!"
[QUOTE=Karskin;13134941]You completely don't pay attention to anything do you?
The terrorist organization is the Palestinian government that the people voted into power. Hamas uses the people as shields and the people harbour them. Also Jesus fucking Christ, it's Israel, not "isreal".
I know what the Geneva convention is, Hamas doesn't follow it, so all your arguments become invalid when you suggest conventional means of solving the dispute that other countries would use. They won't work, because Hamas doesn't follow rules. The only thing that can really be done is Israel taking action.[/QUOTE]
Calling on a typo is really only acceptable if you've been doing it the entire thread.
And stop fucking avoiding the fact that it's illegal for Israel not to be following the geneva convention.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134976]You'd have to be stark mad to assume every airstrike killed a militant along with the 50 deaths that ensued.
Plus Gunfox himself said it was "standard military procedure" to move on to killing citizens after the military was out of the way to break morale. To which one of you (I don't remember which) stated something along the lines of "wow someone who actually knows about the military on FP, AMAZING!"[/QUOTE]
I'm curious. To you, what is Hamas?
Terrorist organization illegally in control of the country.
Or
Official government of the Gaza strip. (With a really shitty military)
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134990]Calling on a typo is really only acceptable if you've been doing it the entire thread.
And stop fucking avoiding the fact that it's illegal for Israel not to be following it.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, also you do say Isreal a lot
[QUOTE=GunFox;13135014]I'm curious. To you, what is Hamas?
Terrorist organization illegally in control of the country.
Or
Official government of the Gaza strip. (With a really shitty military)[/QUOTE]
A terrorist organization legally in control of the country. You can't change the fact that the only reason they got as powerful as they did was because of Israeli oppression, people aren't mindless tools, to quote private ryan I believe somewhere in this thread...
"They didn't just wake up one day and say HEY LETS ELECT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO KILL ALL JEWS"
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135019]Oh yeah, also you do say Isreal a lot[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. No I don't
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135049]A terrorist organization legally in control of the country. You can't change the fact that the only reason they got as powerful as they did was because of Israeli oppression, people aren't mindless tools, to quote private ryan I believe somewhere in this thread...
"They didn't just wake up one day and say HEY LETS ELECT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO KILL ALL JEWS"[/QUOTE]
Except they wake up and say that every day because they are Muslim Extremists.
Fuck no the average citizen isn't a muslim extremist, that was incredibly bigoted, sorry... Believe what you want, I'm not going to argue that you just stereotyped an entire culture.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135054]Oh yeah. No I don't[/QUOTE]
After a quick search, I guess you're right, and if you did, you have edited on most of your posts, so at least you've been diligent to fix them. People in this thread just say it way too much.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135049]A terrorist organization legally in control of the country. You can't change the fact that the only reason they got as powerful as they did was because of Israeli oppression, people aren't mindless tools, to quote private ryan I believe somewhere in this thread...
"They didn't just wake up one day and say HEY LETS ELECT A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION TO KILL ALL JEWS"[/QUOTE]
If they are legally in control of the country, that would make them the official government.
We don't call Iran's government a terrorist organization. Because they are legally (sorta) in power.
There's times on the edits.
[QUOTE=GunFox;13135106]If they are legally in control of the country, that would make them the official government.
We don't call Iran's government a terrorist organization. Because they are legally (sorta) in power.[/QUOTE]
They are legally in the country, that doesn't stop them from being corrupt. The world isn't black and white mate.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135078]Fuck no the average citizen isn't a muslim extremist, that was incredibly bigoted, sorry... Believe what you want, I'm not going to argue that you just stereotyped an entire culture.[/QUOTE]
Except 97% them are Muslim, and the Quran is a lot more extreme and Muslim sects are a lot less forgiving of it than other religions.
Also to point out that their government is religiously run and not seperation of church and state (mosque and state?). I'm not saying every single person there is an extremist, but it's a Muslim's religious duty to kill infidels.
That was even more of a fucking stereotype. The Quran is not fucking extreme.
In fact, look at this
[url]http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/people.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135175]Also to point out that their government is religiously run and not seperation of church and state (mosque and state?)[/QUOTE]
Lol, just like israel huh
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135149]the Quran is a lot more extreme and Muslim sects are a lot less forgiving of it than other religions.[/QUOTE]
Heh, old testament.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135115]They are legally in the country, that doesn't stop them from being corrupt. The world isn't black and white mate.[/QUOTE]
Corrupt? I'm pretty sure they were crazy extremists before they were elected. Everyone knew what to expect when they cast their vote.
So. We are back to this: A democratically elected government launches an attack on a neighboring country's civilian population centers with artillery.
And now they are being attacked as a result and losing because they voted in a pack of gibbering psychopaths.
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