[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135193]That was even more of a fucking stereotype. The Quran is not fucking extreme.
In fact, look at this
[url]http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/people.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
That is an extremely biased website.
Also outright lies
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13134990]Calling on a typo is really only acceptable if you've been doing it the entire thread.[/QUOTE]
I see 3 "Isreal" by you. I count 3 incorrect use of "bias" by me.
Wait, biased against who?
Nevermind I saw some.
Although if the guy lived in Gaza it would make sense why he would type that.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135211]That is an extremely biased website.
Also outright lies[/QUOTE]
Fuck that, my entire world history career has been taught that same fucking shit. I'm actually getting a bit angry that you're this racist.
Why the fuck would a website be biased for peace??? Why not pick up the book for once before being a fucking bigot.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+People+of+the+book&aq=f&oq=[/url]
[QUOTE=doggunn;13135228]I see 3 "Isreal" by you. I count 3 incorrect use of "bias" by me.[/QUOTE]
Post all of them please. I'd like to see how far back you went looking for typos.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135200]Lol, just like israel huh[/QUOTE]
Freedom of Religion - same rights as in the United States of America.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135240]Fuck that, my entire world history career has been taught that same fucking shit. I'm actually getting a bit angry that you're this racist.
Why the fuck would a website be biased for peace??? Why not pick up the book for once before being a fucking bigot.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+People+of+the+book&aq=f&oq=[/url][/QUOTE]
Muslims aren't a race silly
Why be biased for peace? So people don't see you as violent maybe?
[QUOTE=doggunn;13135262]Freedom of Religion - same rights as in the United States of America.[/QUOTE]
Oh? Well I was just stereotyping as well considering both the palestinian national authority and the state of palestine are not theocracies.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135248]Post all of them please. I'd like to see how far back you went looking for typos.[/QUOTE]
I did a whole search, and ceebs. You can do a search for it yourself. Just look up:
[B]Keyword:[/B] Isreal
[B]User:[/B] Rofl my Waff
[B]Search all forums[/B]
[B]Sort by:[/B] Posts
I saw 4 results, 1 of which was you quoting.
For me, there were 12 - a few which were links, a few where it was used correctly and and not many where it was used incorrectly.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135284]Muslims aren't a race silly
Why be biased for peace? So people don't see you as violent maybe?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist[/url]
Racist isn't exclusive to race silly.
Also, research before you post about you're retarded views of islam as their completely wrong.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13135310]I did a whole search, and ceebs. You can do a search for it yourself. Just look up:
[B]Keyword:[/B] Isreal
[B]User:[/B] Rofl my Waff
[B]Search all forums[/B]
[B]Sort by:[/B] Posts
I saw 4 results, 1 of which was you quoting.
For me, there were 12 - a few which were links, a few where it was used correctly and and not many where it was used incorrectly.[/QUOTE]
That's alright, I will leave it to you to know just how many typos over the last 60 or so pages I've made ;)
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135175]Also to point out that their government is religiously run and not seperation of church and state (mosque and state?). I'm not saying every single person there is an extremist, but it's a Muslim's religious duty to kill infidels.[/QUOTE]
[quote][29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."
[31:18-19] "You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth proudly. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs. "Walk humbly and lower your voice - the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice."
[4:148] GOD does not like the utterance of bad language, unless one is treated with gross injustice. GOD is Hearer, Knower.
[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.
[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend[/quote]
Really violent, that Quran. Kill them with respect and kindness?
Apparently he's never even researched the quaran once.
LOOK THE BIBLE TEACHES HATE
ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL
[url]http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=westboro%20baptist%20church&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi[/url]
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135321][url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist[/url]
Racist isn't exclusive to race silly.
Also, research before you post about you're retarded views of islam as their completely wrong.[/QUOTE]
Wow, still can't read eh?
[I] a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.[/i]
Basically says that the belief that some races are superior or inferior
[i]2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.[/i]
Basically the same thing, but a racist government
[i]3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.[/I]
Exactly what it says
The fact is, any biblical text of any religion can be taken out of context.
[quote]According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.[/quote]
Again.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13135391]The fact is, any biblical text of any religion can be taken out of context.[/QUOTE]
But apparently to karskin, the quran specifically teaches hate, and any website denying that is flat out lying.
[QUOTE=Omali;13135342]Really violent, that Quran. Kill them with respect and kindness?[/QUOTE]
[i]Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.[/i]
Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Sura (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Sura (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."
Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Sura (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").
Sura (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."
Sura (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
Sura (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).
Sura (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.
Sura (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).
Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.
Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."
Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."
Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"
Ishaq 252 - The story of a young man who converts to Islam after hearing Muhammad. He then tells his own father that he can no longer have anything to do with him because, "I have become a Muslim and follow the religion of Muhammad." (To maintain a relationship with his son, the father "converts" as well). This is an important passage because it establishes that the principle of shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their relations toward Muslims. In this case, the father desperately loved his son and meant him no harm.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135332]That's alright, I will leave it to you to know just how many typos over the last 60 or so pages I've made ;)[/QUOTE]
I made one more than you...
[i]Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should be truthful to each other.
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. One of those circumstances is to gain the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.[/i]
Sura (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Sura (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Sura (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Sura (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Sura (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy.
Bukhari (52:271) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
Kitman - Lying by omission.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135413][i]Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.[/i]
Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Sura (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Sura (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."
Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Sura (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").
Sura (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."
Sura (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
Sura (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).
Sura (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.
Sura (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).
Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.
Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."
Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."
Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"
Ishaq 252 - The story of a young man who converts to Islam after hearing Muhammad. He then tells his own father that he can no longer have anything to do with him because, "I have become a Muslim and follow the religion of Muhammad." (To maintain a relationship with his son, the father "converts" as well). This is an important passage because it establishes that the principle of shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their relations toward Muslims. In this case, the father desperately loved his son and meant him no harm.[/QUOTE]
You can do the same fucking shit by google searching the old testament and the bible to pick up the hatred.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135468]You can do the same fucking shit by google searching the old testament and the bible to pick up the hatred.[/QUOTE]
Except most Christians release statements condemning those verses, and changing them for more peaceful ones. For Islam, it's the opposite, most of their fatwas preaching even more violence.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135523]Except most Christians release statements condemning those verses, and changing them for more peaceful ones. For Islam, it's the opposite, most of their fatwas preaching even more violence.[/QUOTE]
... that's enough, seriously.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13135537]... that's enough, seriously.[/QUOTE]
I won't say anymore about it unless they try to bring up Islam as a religion of peace again. Ignoring the religious factor in all this is completely asinine though.
Oh yeah, and talk about religious fanaticism. Take a look (and prompty dismiss as usual) at this...
[quote]“Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” [/quote]
GUESS WHO WROTE THAT!?!
Just incase you don't get enough sources in your diet...
[url]http://www.nwo101.com/2008/07/our-race-is-mastrer-race-prime-minister.html[/url] Yes this is a silly source since it's NWO, I just wanted to demonstrate the list
[url]http://www.nwo101.com/2008/07/our-race-is-mastrer-race-prime-minister.html[/url]
[url]http://www.texemarrs.com/112003/jewish_master_race.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/2gr1m/our_race_is_the_master_race_we_are_divine_gods_on/[/url]
[url]http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message335310/pg1[/url]
[url]http://www.newsnet14.com/2005/09/all-hail-the-jewish-master-race/[/url]
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135571]Oh yeah, and talk about religious fanaticism. Take a look (and prompty dismiss as usual) at this...
GUESS WHO WROTE THAT!?!
Just incase you don't get enough sources in your diet...
[url]http://www.nwo101.com/2008/07/our-race-is-mastrer-race-prime-minister.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nwo101.com/2008/07/our-race-is-mastrer-race-prime-minister.html[/url]
[url]http://www.texemarrs.com/112003/jewish_master_race.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/2gr1m/our_race_is_the_master_race_we_are_divine_gods_on/[/url]
[url]http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message335310/pg1[/url]
[url]http://www.newsnet14.com/2005/09/all-hail-the-jewish-master-race/[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah there are radicals of every faith. Point? Mine is that no religion is good.
[QUOTE=PvtRyan;12975722]for what, the human rights violations, disproportionate use of force, or the disregard for civilian casualties?[/QUOTE]
Oh just like hamas and palastine. Bottom line - Stop trying to kill the jews because it's your religion. It isn't nice and no one benifits from it.
Typical angsty teenager bullshit though to make out the Israeli's as the bad guys for no real reason then wholeheartedly support hamas and palastine regardless of the fact that they started the fucking war and the reason why so many civilians are being killed is because they either support the anti Israeli militants, cant read the FLYERS SAYING, LEAVE NOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A BATTLE HERE - LOVE ISRAEL (last I heard most of Israels oh so friendly neighbors were taking in refugees) and hamas is using them as sheilds. Like a few days ago when they shot some rounds at an Israeli position from a UN built school full of refugees. No shit they returned fire, what else are you supost to do when someone shoots at you?
Oh lets also not forget how the civilians let hamas set up rocket launchers in their Goddamned backyards pointed at Israel.
Oh lets also not forget how theres a video of civilians loading munitions onto a hamas truck shortly before it's bombed by an Israeli LGB.
Also in the broader spectrum of things, blame Israels arab neighbors. If it wasent for them there probably wouldnt be a conflict right now and there may even have been a palastine. But thats OK. Keep attacking the Israeli's for defending their country.
Point is, if you start a war with another country then use your civilians as sheilds and tools and militia then dont get all fucking butthurt when they start dying.
Case fucking closed motherfuckers.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13135605]Yeah there are radicals of every faith. Point? Mine is that no religion is good.[/QUOTE]
No. That isn't what you said, you stated that palestinians are mostly islamic, and because islam preaches hate (bigot), they are all more likely to be extremists, and are all more likely not to care if they die.
You are a silly silly man.
[QUOTE=Mexinugget03;13135626]Oh just like hamas and palastine. Bottom line - Stop trying to kill the jews because it's your religion. It isn't nice and no one benifits from it.
Typical angsty teenager bullshit though to make out the Israeli's as the bad guys for no real reason then wholeheartedly support hamas and palastine regardless of the fact that they started the fucking war and the reason why so many civilians are being killed is because they either support the anti Israeli militants, cant read the FLYERS SAYING, LEAVE NOW THERE IS GOING TO BE A BATTLE HERE - LOVE ISRAEL (last I heard most of Israels oh so friendly neighbors were taking in refugees) and hamas is using them as sheilds. Like a few days ago when they shot some rounds at an Israeli position from a UN built school full of refugees. No shit they returned fire, what else are you supost to do when someone shoots at you?
Oh lets also not forget how the civilians let hamas set up rocket launchers in their Goddamned backyards pointed at Israel.
Oh lets also not forget how theres a video of civilians loading munitions onto a hamas truck shortly before it's bombed by an Israeli LGB.
Also in the broader spectrum of things, blame Israels arab neighbors. If it wasent for them there probably wouldnt be a conflict right now and there may even have been a palastine. But thats OK. Keep attacking the Israeli's for defending their country.
Point is, if you start a war with another country then use your civilians as sheilds and tools and militia then dont get all fucking butthurt when they start dying.
Case fucking closed motherfuckers.[/QUOTE]
Go away, you just read a single comment in a 65 page thread and came to a single conclusion, and Pvt, ryan is far from an angsty teenager.
At least the people debating now have been here for more than 1 or 2 posts.
Case reopened.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13135637]No. That isn't what you said, you stated that palestinians are mostly islamic, and because islam preaches hate (bigot), they are all more likely to be extremists, and are all more likely not to care if they die.
You are a silly silly man.[/QUOTE]
I'm a bigot for pointing out the truth? Also yes, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. Doesn't make me a bigot, just makes me smart.
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