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[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13136844]Now instead of just posting those and being off with it. Point out the spot that chippay has been debating for the last hour. I don't think anyone wants to read three huge pages this late at night just for one piece of information ^_^[/QUOTE] They're references if he wants them. 0_o>.>o.O^..^ //\::,,::/\\ (that last one is a spider)
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136846]Then tell us instead of acting like a smug asshole[/QUOTE] I have, repeatedly. Unfortunately despite actually quoting and attempting to argue my point you evidently haven't read it. My point is that he defined Shahada in a way that was completely wrong. I hope I made this post simple enough for you, I wouldn't want you getting lost.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136865]They're references if he wants them. 0_o>.>o.O^..^ //\::,,::/\\ (that last one is a spider)[/QUOTE] Are you saying you can't be bothered?... Heh... Get someone else to do the work then don't post the actual information you wanted to debate?
[QUOTE=Chippays;13136866]I have, repeatedly. Unfortunately despite actually quoting and attempting to argue my point you evidently haven't read it. My point is that he defined Shahada in a way that was completely wrong. I hope I made this post simple enough for you, I wouldn't want you getting lost.[/QUOTE] So aside form that as I said, what you're take on the rest of the post aside from the use of a word that's definition is different than the way the Palestinians use in it context anyway. You mentioned problems with the rest of his post, he asked you to address them. So what are they? Do you actually have any points to make or any opinions, or do you just hang around for no reason?
[QUOTE=doggunn;13136848]Useful post.[/QUOTE] Thank you. It sums everything up.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13136878]Are you saying you can't be bothered?... Heh... Get someone else to do the work then don't post the actual information you wanted to debate?[/QUOTE] HEY GUESS WHAT A REFERENCE IS. In heatsketch's post he mentioned the books, if you want to see where he got the information from, click a link. It's not fucking rocket science (although it might be just as hard for you).
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136891]So aside form that as I said, what you're take on the rest of the post aside from the use of a word that's definition is different than the way the Palestinians use in it context anyway. You mentioned problems with the rest of his post, he asked you to address them. So what are they? Do you actually have any points to make or any opinions, or do you just hang around for no reason?[/QUOTE] I think the same could be said of you. Since when asked to cite information, your usual response is "look it up!"
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136903]HEY GUESS WHAT A REFERENCE IS. In heatsketch's post he mentioned the book, if you want to see where he got the information from, click a link. It's not fucking rocket science (although it might be just as hard for you).[/QUOTE] I don't care if there is a reference, fucking post the information relevant to the post.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136891]So aside form that as I said, what you're take on the rest of the post aside from the use of a word that's definition is different than the way the Palestinians use in it context anyway. You mentioned problems with the rest of his post, he asked you to address them. So what are they? Do you actually have any points to make or any opinions, or do you just hang around for no reason?[/QUOTE] :sigh: The definition does not change in Palestine. It does not change in Saudi Arabia. It does not even change in a mosque in the United States. The definition of Shahada does not change. Why is this hard for you to understand? Emotes are broken I guess.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13136911]I don't care if there is a reference, fucking post the information relevant to the post.[/QUOTE] It's already been posted, it's a fucking reference. Also no, I've actually detailed to you multiple definitions, if you don't believe me, then you can look it up, because THAT'S HOW SCIENCE AND FACT WORKS. I'll do a little more for your very very small mind that can't seem to comprehend anything: [i]citation: a short note recognizing a source of information or of a quoted passage; "the student's essay failed to list several important citations"; "the acknowledgments are usually printed at the front of a book"; "the article includes mention of similar clinical cases"[/i] That means, that if you don't believe what heatsketch said, you can find out where he got his information from and make further judgements yourself. God you're fucking lazy and anti-confrontational.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13136916]:sigh: The definition does not change in Palestine. It does not change in Saudi Arabia. It does not even change in a mosque in the United States. The definition of Shahada does not change. Why is this hard for you to understand? Emotes are broken I guess.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what the word means, it matters what value it carries with a group of people. That's what's being disputed. If you payed attention at all instead of crying over a definition, maybe you would have seen that.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136945]It's already been posted, it's a fucking reference. Also no, I've actually detailed to you multiple definitions, if you don't believe me, then you can look it up, because THAT'S HOW SCIENCE AND FACT WORKS. I'll do a little more for your very very small mind that can't seem to comprehend anything: [i]citation: a short note recognizing a source of information or of a quoted passage; "the student's essay failed to list several important citations"; "the acknowledgments are usually printed at the front of a book"; "the article includes mention of similar clinical cases"[/i] That means, that if you don't believe what heatsketch said, you can find out where he got his information from and make further judgements yourself. God you're fucking lazy and anti-confrontational.[/QUOTE] I'm just noting that you called upon a 3rd party to provide you with information, and when given it, you spew it out without a second thought. When asked about it, you go batshit insane and fail to provide any direct quotation from the text that you didn't even look up. Sorry, give me information, thanks. I already stated earlier that I did not denounce the possibility of what was being said in text books from being false, I don't need to fucking read that to understand your point, I would however, like to see you [b]try[/b] to make an effort and actually bring forth relevant information from a post you didn't even concoct!
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136952]It doesn't matter what the word means, it matters what value it carries with a group of people. That's what's being disputed. If you payed attention at all instead of crying over a definition, maybe you would have seen that.[/QUOTE] Uh yes, it does matter what the word means. And it doesn't carry a value past an undying devotion to Allah for anyone. It does not carry connections of martyrdom because martyrdom has nothing to do with believing in one God, Allah, and Muhammad being his messanger. Look, I honestly don't give a shit if you think being a Muslim means that you're endorsing terrorism. I don't care if you think every Muslim in Palestine dreams of blowing himself up while shouting the Shahada. What I do care about is that he not only miss-defined the word (rather than talking about what value it carries, as you seem to think) he thought he was justified in it. And that's simply not correct.
I've been asked again to deliver some links: [url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129273[/url] [url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024284.php[/url] [url]http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/12672.htm[/url] [url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/158819[/url] [url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024270.php[/url] If you don't want to read them, then fine, don't learn anything and keep complaining about the lack of knowledge being presented to you, otherwise shut up. Also I'll give you a hint, it's about Hamas being bad.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13136971]I'm just noting that you called upon a 3rd party to provide you with information, and when given it, you spew it out without a second thought. When asked about it, you go batshit insane and fail to provide any direct quotation from the text that you didn't even look up. Sorry, give me information, thanks. I already stated earlier that I did not denounce the possibility of what was being said in text books from being false, I don't need to fucking read that to understand your point, I would however, like to see you [b]try[/b] to make an effort and actually bring forth relevant information from a post you didn't even concoct![/QUOTE] As it seems you failed to click a few links, but somehow managed to post a bunch of more shit, I'll tell you know what it's about. It's about the indoctrination books that preach hate, want to learn more? Click link. Just because I don't specifically type out all the information doesn't make it invalid, what the fuck is wrong with you?
To everyone who apologizes for Israel by saying "Well Israel has a right to defend itself." consider this: Since when did Gaza, Palestine, Lebanon and all the other countries near Israel LOSE that right? If defending itself means moving in and crushing what little sign of sovereignty those countries have at the drop of a pin means "defense" to you then you need to find a freaking dictionary. The buffer zone argument is pure bullshit too. This is why all the Muslims are so pissed off. Israel is so over-protective of itself that it practically launches offensives to prevent anyone from daring to do anything about them, the Muslims retaliate because they got stepped on, it's just back and forth. A textbook case of mutually stimulated aggression. If no one started anything in the first place none of this would be happening. And it doesn't matter who started it. It has to fucking stop. And by "stop" I don't mean Israel continuing to treat anyone with a Muslim name like they're not a human being subject to their apartheid and occasional wholesale massacre in Palestine. "Stop" also means that the Muslims should start actually following and honoring the very goddamn soul of their "religion of peace", if they don't honor their part of the ceasefire than they just give more reason and justification for Israel to continue crushing and subjugating the countries immediately surrounding it and at the same time make the Israelis less trusting towards other agreements. For good reason too. Everyone on both sides of the debate is like a fucking 5 year old. In fact even dumber. 5 year olds get bored and lose their grudges eventually. But these two, noooooo. They just can't let anything go. It's like the freaking Balkans.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13136988]I've been asked again to deliver some links: [url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129273[/url] [url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024284.php[/url] [url]http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/12672.htm[/url] [url]http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/158819[/url] [url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024270.php[/url] If you don't want to read them, then fine, don't learn anything and keep complaining about the lack of knowledge being presented to you, otherwise shut up. Also I'll give you a hint, it's about Hamas being bad.[/QUOTE] What the hell is your point for this most random string of text, we've already confirmed that no one is siding with hamas, the fact that you posted this shit has nothing to do with what was previously asked of you. I understand it's hard to Copy paste something from a link [i]you[/i] provided, but please try and bare with me. Also, about lack of knowledge, I'll just leave this here so you can yell at it. [quote=karskin][QUOTE=Karskin;13135149]Except 97% them are Muslim, and the Quran is a lot more extreme and Muslim sects are a lot less forgiving of it than other religions.[/QUOTE] [/quote]
[QUOTE=Chippays;13136986]Uh yes, it does matter what the word means. And it doesn't carry a value past an undying devotion to Allah for anyone. It does not carry connections of martyrdom because martyrdom has nothing to do with believing in one God, Allah, and Muhammad being his messanger. Look, I honestly don't give a shit if you think being a Muslim means that you're endorsing terrorism. I don't care if you think every Muslim in Palestine dreams of blowing himself up while shouting the Shahada. What I do care about is that he not only miss-defined the word (rather than talking about what value it carries, as you seem to think) he thought he was justified in it. And that's simply not correct.[/QUOTE] So as I said, ignore all that, what about [B]everything else[/B]. It's a long fucking post. Also in the context, it's still valid, because to being completely faithful to god means you'll fight for him and do what he says, and martyrdom is the greatest honour a Muslim can achieve.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13137033]So as I said, ignore all that, what about [B]everything else[/B]. It's a long fucking post. Also in the context, it's still valid, because to being completely faithful to god means you'll fight for him and do what he says, and martyrdom is the greatest honour a Muslim can achieve.[/QUOTE] Holy shit. I have used the simplest words I could but evidently I just couldn't make it simpler. Have fun Karskin, I can't be bothered to try and explain definitions for another minute.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13137030]What the hell is your point for this most random string of text, we've already confirmed that no one is siding with hamas, the fact that you posted this shit has nothing to do with what was previously asked of you. I understand it's hard to Copy paste something from a link [i]you[/i] provided, but please try and bare with me. Also, about lack of knowledge, I'll just leave this here so you can yell at it.[/QUOTE] Hamas being bad with [B]religious implications[/B] Maybe if you spent your time reading and learning instead of complaining, you'd have the half a brain to understand that.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13137041]Holy shit. I have used the simplest words I could but evidently I just couldn't make it simpler. Have fun Karskin, I can't be bothered to try and explain definitions for another minute.[/QUOTE] Haven't I aswell, it's called [B]IGNORE[/B] that part, and move on to the rest of the argument, something which you're still failing to do.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13137052]Hamas being bad with [B]religious implications[/B] Maybe if you spent your time reading and learning instead of complaining, you'd have the half a brain to understand that.[/QUOTE] I'll leave you with one word before going to sleep. Hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;13137076]I'll leave you with one word before going to sleep. Hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Really? How am I a hypocrite? If you need the entire night to think it up, I'll be back tomorrow.
This thread has become to heavily laden with shit and semantics for a good discussion on this issue.
I just reckon we should just leave them there. If anyone else steps in, it will only cause more trouble. They'll sort themselves out soon enough.
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also: due to the recent air strikes that Israel sent: 95% that were killed were terrorists
[QUOTE=redback3;13140191]also: due to the recent air strikes that Israel sent: 95% that were killed were terrorists[/QUOTE] From which source did you pull that? Aside from your arse.
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fucking shit : [url]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bHNk6eBw3ME[/url]
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