• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=Chippays;13153388]For someone who accuses people of trolling as much as you do you sure do a lot of it.[/QUOTE] Except trolling is pissing people off on purpose champ, I'm only pointing out and thanking you for showing us how much of a hypocrite you are.
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153453]Again, what? You keep this illusion of Israel being some kind of heroic nation. And they treat their enemies because they have to, it's in several articles and for a country that tightly wounded with the UN, it's important to do so...[/QUOTE] You keep painting Palestinians to be on the same level though
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153323]I did read it, and I told you that's not how definitions work. We went over this. You seem to be a little slow, so let me explain this to you as simply as I can. I have better things to do than argue about zionism with someone so indoctrinated he thinks that Shahada translates into "Martyring yourself forAllah." Tell me if you need this explained in smaller words. Also, it's funny that you say "Night, all" and then keep on posting. It's like a reflection of your arguments :)[/QUOTE] Ok I know I've said that I'm going to leave 2 or 3 times now but every time I post something you have come back and said another amazingly stupid thing. I'm going to try this ONE LAST TIME, and hopefully it will penetrate your skull. I know what Shahada means to most Muslims. Shahada is the Declaration of Faith (la illaha illa allah). The palestinians use it in a different context, however. To the palestinians, Shahada still means Declaration of Faith, but they "Declare" their faith by killing Jews, by waging Jihad. And since the most glorious and perfect person in Allahs sight (according to the Qu'ran) is the martyr, they typically do this by maryrdom. And that is the context in which I referred to Shahada as "Martyrdom in the name of Allah" Do you understand now, or is that STILL to complicated for you, and are you going to come back again with "I can't be bothered to argue with sumone who doesn't know what shahada means lolololol nomnomnom"
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153454]Except trolling is pissing people off on purpose champ, I'm only pointing out and thanking you for showing us how much of a hypocrite you are.[/QUOTE] You just fucking did what you just fucking told him not to do... jesus christ... Come on...
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153458]You keep painting Palestinians to be on the same level though[/QUOTE] Yes, and that level is that both are doing horrible things to each other, and romanticizing either one shows you either are very naive, or completely ignorant of what goes on there.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153461]Ok I know I've said that I'm going to leave 2 or 3 times now but every time I post something you have come back and said another amazingly stupid thing. I'm going to try this ONE LAST TIME, and hopefully it will penetrate your skull. I know what Shahada means to most Muslims. Shahada is the Declaration of Faith (la illaha illa allah). The palestinians use it in a different context, however. To the palestinians, Shahada still means Declaration of Faith, but they "Declare" their faith by killing Jews, by waging Jihad. And since the most glorious and perfect person in Allahs sight (according to the Qu'ran) is the martyr, they typically do this by maryrdom. And that is the context in which I referred to Shahada as "Martyrdom in the name of Allah" Do you understand now, or is that STILL to complicated for you, and are you going to come back again with "I can't be bothered to argue with sumone who doesn't know what shahada means lolololol nomnomnom"[/QUOTE] What? Where did you learn this tripe, Fox?
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153453]Again, what? You keep this illusion of Israel being some kind of heroic nation. And they treat their enemies because they have to, it's in several articles and for a country that tightly wounded with the UN, it's important to do so...[/QUOTE] lol I know I know... I'm still here Yes, they abide by international law, unlike Hamas, who break pretty much every convention in the book. Would it be "evil" of them to not WANT to treat Hamas members, despite the fact that they DO do it? Is it evil to not want to patch your would be murderers up, knowing that eventually they will be traded along with 500 other militants in exchange for one or two Jews? The Palestinians and the Israelis are not morally equivalent. 60 Years ago, during the course of the 1948 war, just prior to it, and in the decade after it, there were wild excesses committed by Israeli and Jewish forces. Massacres of villages, execution of P.O.Ws, etc. That was wrong and abhorrent. RIGHT NOW, that kind of thing isn't happening. RIGHT NOW, Israel is everything BUT inhumane to their enemies.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153461]Ok I know I've said that I'm going to leave 2 or 3 times now but every time I post something you have come back and said another amazingly stupid thing. I'm going to try this ONE LAST TIME, and hopefully it will penetrate your skull. I know what Shahada means to most Muslims. Shahada is the Declaration of Faith (la illaha illa allah). The palestinians use it in a different context, however. To the palestinians, Shahada still means Declaration of Faith, but they "Declare" their faith by killing Jews, by waging Jihad. And since the most glorious and perfect person in Allahs sight (according to the Qu'ran) is the martyr, they typically do this by maryrdom. And that is the context in which I referred to Shahada as "Martyrdom in the name of Allah" Do you understand now, or is that STILL to complicated for you, and are you going to come back again with "I can't be bothered to argue with sumone who doesn't know what shahada means lolololol nomnomnom"[/QUOTE] The Shahada does mean the declaration of faith, you got that right. What you got wrong is that [B]Palestinians[/B] do not 'declare their faith' by killing jews. Islamist militants might wage [B]Jihad[/B] against the Jews, but that doesn't change the meaning of [B]Shahada.[/B] Nor does it change the context in which it's used, regardless of how you rationalize it. But even then, that's in an entirely different context than the one you used it in, despite your attempts to downplay it. I hope I explained myself well enough this time that even you will understand. So much for this though?: [QUOTE=heatsketch;13153416] Goodnight, and I'll be back tomorrow mabye[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153463]You just fucking did what you just fucking told him not to do... jesus christ... Come on...[/QUOTE] I didn't tell him not to do anything, I just find it even more ironic that he says that to me.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153454]Except trolling is pissing people off on purpose champ, I'm only pointing out and thanking you for showing us how much of a hypocrite you are.[/QUOTE] I could define what the word hypocrite means but then I remember your track-record with definitions.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153514]lol I know I know... I'm still here Yes, they abide by international law, unlike Hamas, who break pretty much every convention in the book. Would it be "evil" of them to not WANT to treat Hamas members, despite the fact that they DO do it? Is it evil to not want to patch your would be murderers up, knowing that eventually they will be traded along with 500 other militants in exchange for one or two Jews? The Palestinians and the Israelis are not morally equivalent. 60 Years ago, during the course of the 1948 war, just prior to it, and in the decade after it, there were wild excesses committed by Israeli and Jewish forces. Massacres of villages, execution of P.O.Ws, etc. That was wrong and abhorrent. RIGHT NOW, that kind of thing isn't happening. RIGHT NOW, Israel is everything BUT inhumane to their enemies.[/QUOTE] Stop romanticizing Israel. You think all those dead Palestinians shot themselves in the name of Allah as you keep preaching? Consider this, both fight each other, and they do nasty horrible things for that is war.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153536]I didn't tell him not to do anything, I just find it even more ironic that he says that to me.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I find it ironic that you do the same.
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153491]What? Where did you learn this tripe, Fox?[/QUOTE] Personal research, that research being hours discussing these kinds of things with 3 Palestinians named Ali, Sam and Jerry at the corner store I regularly attend. They are friends of mine, and immigrated to my country, Canada, 3 to 4 years ago. I will add for the sake of completeness, that while they were explaining all this to me, they didn't consider it disturbing or violent or extreme or wrong. It is their culture... it is how they are raised. The older guy, Jerry, he was in his 60's and didn't seem to agree with it as much, or at very least wasn't as enthusiastic about it. Sam and Ali, however, are very into it. They make intifada music cds and videos, and they have told me stories of throwing stones and fire bombs at IDF soldiers when they were younger, at the beginning of the al Aqsa intifada. Also a girl who I knew online for awhile, who emigrated from Gaza to Texas. She was also very sympathetic and agreeable with the whole death culture, although she was a Fatah fan, she hated Hamas (because Hamas attacks fellow Arabs instead of just concentrating on Jews)
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153540]Stop romanticizing Israel. You think all those dead Palestinians shot themselves in the name of Allah as you keep preaching? Consider this, both fight each other, and they do nasty horrible things for that is war.[/QUOTE] Yes, they both do nasty horrible things to each other because of war. THE DIFFERENCE IS: Israel does not want to be perpetually engaged in war until one sides extinction. Hamas, and the majority of Palestinians (the ones that elected Hamas) do. Did you read ANY of my first post today?
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153527]The Shahada does mean the declaration of faith, you got that right. What you got wrong is that [B]Palestinians[/B] do not 'declare their faith' by killing jews. Islamist militants might wage [B]Jihad[/B] against the Jews, but that doesn't change the meaning of [B]Shahada.[/B] Nor does it change the context in which it's used, regardless of how you rationalize it. But even then, that's in an entirely different context than the one you used it in, despite your attempts to downplay it. I hope I explained myself well enough this time that even you will understand. So much for this though?:[/QUOTE] Maybe you should actually watch that video where the girl says she "strives to achieve Shahada", then says what could be better than going to paradise (which is guaranteed through martyrdom). She then states that she wants to become a Shahid (marytr). Then the next girl talks about how good Shahada is because she wants to achieve the afterlife rather than live in this world. At the end of the video, she says that all Palestinian children had adopted the concept that Shahada is good, and that every child wants to become a martyr. As you can see, in the [B]context[/B], Shahada is marytrdom Thanks for not paying attention.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153527]The Shahada does mean the declaration of faith, you got that right. What you got wrong is that [B]Palestinians[/B] do not 'declare their faith' by killing jews. Islamist militants might wage [B]Jihad[/B] against the Jews, but that doesn't change the meaning of [B]Shahada.[/B] Nor does it change the context in which it's used, regardless of how you rationalize it. But even then, that's in an entirely different context than the one you used it in, despite your attempts to downplay it. I hope I explained myself well enough this time that even you will understand. So much for this though?:[/QUOTE] And the vast majority of Palestinians elegible to vote, ELECTED those ISLAMIST JIHADISTS and the vast majority of young Palestinians (over half the population of Gaza) are thoroughly indoctrinated by the death cult fomented by Hamas, and in the decades prior to Hamas, Fatah and the PLO. And yes, the Palestinians mean a slightly different thing when they say "Declaration of Faith/Shahada", despite your repeated denials of it. Also, there is no inherent difference between "Islamism" and Islam itself. Islam is a complete religious, legal, political and geopolitical system. You cannot have "Islam" without "Islamism" (which is just a modern term for "Political Islam)
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153537]I could define what the word hypocrite means but then I remember your track-record with definitions.[/QUOTE] So basically you're going to say nothing, again, because you know you are a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153632]Maybe you should actually watch that video where the girl says she "strives to achieve Shahada", then says what could be better than going to paradise (which is guaranteed through martyrdom). She then states that she wants to become a Shahid (marytr). Then the next girl talks about how good Shahada is because she wants to achieve the afterlife rather than live in this world. At the end of the video, she says that all Palestinian children had adopted the concept that Shahada is good, and that every child wants to become a martyr. As you can see, in the [B]context[/B], Shahada is marytrdom Thanks for not paying attention.[/QUOTE] And this is the video I posted Yesterday, when Chippays first started on about the meaning of Shahada, apparently without reading my post or watching the video contained within it.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153643]So basically you're going to say nothing, again, because you know you are a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Notice how for the past while, we have been arguing back and forth, and I have presented numerous statements of objective fact backed up by evidence, while the people we are arguing with have provided none?
K, I am going to take advantage in this dearth of posts that I feel a burning desire to disagree with and actually get off now GOODNIGHT, RETARDS AND ASSHOLES I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG NANANANANA HAHAHAHAHAHA >_> <_< see you on the morrow
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153635]And the vast majority of Palestinians elegible to vote, ELECTED those ISLAMIST JIHADISTS and the vast majority of young Palestinians (over half the population of Gaza) are thoroughly indoctrinated by the death cult fomented by Hamas, and in the decades prior to Hamas, Fatah and the PLO. And yes, the Palestinians mean a slightly different thing when they say "Declaration of Faith/Shahada", despite your repeated denials of it. Also, there is no inherent difference between "Islamism" and Islam itself. Islam is a complete religious, legal, political and geopolitical system. You cannot have "Islam" without "Islamism" (which is just a modern term for "Political Islam)[/QUOTE] Electing a radical party in radical circumstances is not surprising, and it certainly doesn't make all Palestinians on the same level as an Islamic extremist. And here we come to the part where we go full-circle back to why I didn't want to argue with you. Your argument is "Yeah, but you're wrong and I'm right!, despite my definition being different from [I]the actual definition"[/I] Get some rest kid, and quit staying up late on internet forums. I'll leave this at the bottom in case you start typing up yet another reply to get the last word: [QUOTE=heatsketch;13153416] [B]Goodnight, and I'll be back tomorrow mabye[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=heatsketch;13153699]K, I am going to take advantage in this dearth of posts that I feel a burning desire to disagree with and actually get off now GOODNIGHT, RETARDS AND ASSHOLES I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG NANANANANA HAHAHAHAHAHA >_> <_< see you on the morrow[/QUOTE] I've heard this before, three times now. [B]Edit:[/B] [QUOTE=Karskin;13153643]So basically you're going to say nothing, again, because you know you are a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Feel free to actually tell me how I'm being a "hypocrite" rather than your repeated trolling. It will be good to see how you rationalize that.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153570]Personal research, that research being hours discussing these kinds of things with 3 Palestinians named Ali, Sam and Jerry at the corner store I regularly attend. They are friends of mine, and immigrated to my country, Canada, 3 to 4 years ago. I will add for the sake of completeness, that while they were explaining all this to me, they didn't consider it disturbing or violent or extreme or wrong. It is their culture... it is how they are raised. The older guy, Jerry, he was in his 60's and didn't seem to agree with it as much, or at very least wasn't as enthusiastic about it. Sam and Ali, however, are very into it. They make intifada music cds and videos, and they have told me stories of throwing stones and fire bombs at IDF soldiers when they were younger, at the beginning of the al Aqsa intifada. Also a girl who I knew online for awhile, who emigrated from Gaza to Texas. She was also very sympathetic and agreeable with the whole death culture, although she was a Fatah fan, she hated Hamas (because Hamas attacks fellow Arabs instead of just concentrating on Jews)[/QUOTE] [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-04.gif[/img] I wish we could all use dumb people for sources.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;13153588]Yes, they both do nasty horrible things to each other because of war. THE DIFFERENCE IS: Israel does not want to be perpetually engaged in war until one sides extinction. Hamas, and the majority of Palestinians (the ones that elected Hamas) do. Did you read ANY of my first post today?[/QUOTE] I don't know why you can't see the problems in your own posts...
[QUOTE=thisispain;13153759][img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-04.gif[/img] I wish we could all use dumb people for sources.[/QUOTE] Todd said that Israel has a right to eliminate the Palestinians because Jews are gods chosen people. Maybe if the Palestinians weren't ethnically inferior heathens???
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153710]Electing a radical party in radical circumstances is not surprising, and it certainly doesn't make all Palestinians on the same level as an Islamic extremist. And here we come to the part where we go full-circle back to why I didn't want to argue with you. Your argument is "Yeah, but you're wrong and I'm right!, despite my definition being different from [I]the actual definition"[/I] Get some rest kid, and quit staying up late on internet forums. I'll leave this at the bottom in case you start typing up yet another reply to get the last word: I've heard this before, three times now. [B]Edit:[/B] Feel free to actually tell me how I'm being a "hypocrite" rather than your repeated trolling. It will be good to see how you rationalize that.[/QUOTE] The fact that you accuse me of trolling, and all you've done is troll, with calling people "champ" and "kid" and just in general trying to piss people off and not coming up with anything on-topic or relevant. I don't see why you have to come in here and be so condescending. Also how old are you actually Chippay, because I'd like some reason for why you choose to call everyone kid.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153785]The fact that you accuse me of trolling, and all you've done is troll, with calling people "champ" and "kid" and just in general trying to piss people off and not coming up with anything on-topic or relevant. I don't see why you have to come in here and be so condescending. Also how old are you actually Chippay, because I'd like some reason for why you choose to call everyone kid.[/QUOTE] Awesome, you dodging the question! In your grand tradition of dodging the point I'll post this: [QUOTE=Karskin;13153643][B]So basically you're going to say nothing, again [/B][/QUOTE] Hey look, that works here too! Fancy that.
I really should unsubscribe, there is nothing here for me anymore.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153805]Awesome, you dodging the question! In your grand tradition of dodging the point I'll post this: Hey look, that works here too! Fancy that.[/QUOTE] Except I said exactly how you are being a hypocrite. Also I don't have a tradition of "dodging" I argue every point that comes up. It's you who plays the roll of posting meaningless deflections and semantics. You still haven't refuted anything or said anything other than making personal attacks and objecting to what you see as trivial errors.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153831]Except I said exactly how you are being a hypocrite. [/QUOTE] No, you really haven't. The closest you came to that was [quote]The fact that you accuse me of trolling, and all you've done is troll[/quote] Which coincidently is invalidated by the fact I'm not actually trolling. You can tell I'm not trolling because I'm not making one sentence replies calling people off-hand terms I have no evidence for, such as "Hypocrite" So please, you're welcome to tell me with a quote where I was being a hypocrite. For someone who "Argues every point" this shouldn't be a problem. It's delightful you still managed to slip a few personal attacks into that post too, you're not too good at having a civilized discussion I take it?
I feel bad for both sides.
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