[QUOTE=Chippays;13153876]No, you really haven't. The closest you came to that was
Which coincidently is invalidated by the fact I'm not actually trolling. You can tell I'm not trolling because I'm not making one sentence replies calling people off-hand terms I have no evidence for, such as "Hypocrite"
So please, you're welcome to tell me with a quote where I was being a hypocrite. For someone who "Argues every point" this shouldn't be a problem. It's delightful you still managed to slip a few personal attacks into that post too, you're not too good at having a civilized discussion I take it?[/QUOTE]
If you're not trolling, then why do you deem it necessary to include things like calling people kids in posts, which the motive behind is purely to piss them off. If you can explain this, then it'll be a small step towards not being a big ass hypocrite. I'll make it easy and we'll start with that.
Also you still haven't answered the question about your age
[QUOTE=Karskin;13153945]If you're not trolling, then why do you deem it necessary to include things like calling people kids in posts, which the motive behind is purely to piss them off. If you can explain this, then it'll be a small step towards not being a big ass hypocrite. I'll make it easy and we'll start with that.
Also you still haven't answered the question about your age[/QUOTE]
Possibly for the same reason you deem it necessary to say one-off statements such as calling people hypocrites with no evidence?
And I'll answer the question about my age as soon as you point out successfully where I've been a hypocrite. For every point you dodge I'll dodge one too. Sounds fair?
Actually don't bother, I don't have time to get into an argument about what the word hypocrite "really means" despite me inevitably posting a dictionary definition. Which will inevitably lead into me just repeating myself and you replying "Nope, you're wrong." I'll even let you have the last word here Karskin! Be sure to make it nice and condescending, nothing else will do! I'm done with such an inane argument though.
Nice reply, just what I was expecting
You people are still bickering about this?
Don't you get any sleep?
Like I said, both sides arguing like children.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153968]Possibly for the same reason you deem it necessary to say one-off statements such as calling people hypocrites with no evidence?
And I'll answer the question about my age as soon as you point out successfully where I've been a hypocrite. For every point you dodge I'll dodge one too. Sounds fair?[/QUOTE]
I just stated the evidence. Are you blind? The reason I say you are a hypocrite is because you accuse me of trolling and are a troll yourself, which makes you a hypocrite. I pointed out where you are a troll, calling people kids for no reason with no proof purely to piss them off. That is trolling, therefore you are a troll. If you can find evidence that they are actually kids, then it wouldn't be trolling, but considering heatsketch is 20, it makes you a troll. Now that we have established that you are a troll, the only possible reason I can think that you would emulate is the only one reason, it's the truth, but now that we have established as well that what you're saying is a lie, that is what makes you a hypocrite. I think it's time you fess up. Also a continuation of the whole "dodge thing" please point out what I've dodged, because as I see it, I've answered everything quite thoroughly, whether you decide to actually read it is up to you. Also it would contribute more or less to being a hypocrite, but I'm going to just go ahead and call it an outright fabrication.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13153968]Actually don't bother, I don't have time to get into an argument about what the word hypocrite "really means" despite me inevitably posting a dictionary definition. Which will inevitably lead into me just repeating myself and you replying "Nope, you're wrong." I'll even let you have the last word here Karskin! Be sure to make it nice and condescending, nothing else will do! I'm done with such an inane argument though.[/QUOTE]
I love this statement. Tell me to make sure my post sounds condescending, and tell me all I'm going to say is "Nope, you're wrong." Maybe you are setting up straw men. Do you do this for fun?
To be honest which ever side you support can probably just come down to the date you start the clock.
If you start it in 1948, you probably agree with Palestine.
If you start it later on, you probably agree with Israel.
Edit - It may come as no suprise, but it seems in light of recent events Hamas is gaining popularity over Fatah in the West Bank. If Fatah actually ever lets the election take place there could be a Hamas government in the West Bank.
If the Palestinians and any other Arabs in Israel [B]SUFFER[/B] for real, then they would leave, and to tell you the truth, Israel will carve a big ass road just for them to get done with it, leave Israel, and go to the other arab countries.
But nope, they don't leave, and you know why? Because they love it here in Israel (I'm speaking more of about the Arabs in Jerusalem for example) they have much better lives here, than anywhere else!
Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, they are the ones who truly suffer, because terrorists control their lives, but yet still Arabs continue to complain about their "miserable" lives, no matter how bad they know it isn't, they just can't stand being under control of JEWS or something.
[B]Check this:[/B]
I know one thing for sure, Israel is the god damn hospital of the middle east, many Arabs, from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and of course from the good for nothing Palestine - come to Israel when they suffer some harsh viruses or what ever that needs specialists to medical assistance.
Israel saves their lives, they go back home and burn an Israeli flag on TV. Great.
I bet you one thing, if a Israeli kid had something that needed a doctor from.. let's say, Iran?
he would fly to Iran get chopped up, head cut off on live TV and body kicked and thrown out a building.
You know I just mention these things to somehow try and make Israel look a lil less evil. :P Even though my English aint the best.
rofl my waff is a true moron, get educated - take a field trip to Israel and live here for a week see if your thoughts of Israel won't change, considering the long..ggg history of suffering due to religon.
[B]"Israel never agreed to let INTERNATIONAL thoughts change the fact that the Israel must protect it's citizens and their right to live, safely."[/B] - Israeli Prime Minster.
Let's see you live your day while every few hours a rain of rockets interrupt. DAILY.
We didn't start shit, Hamas tried us for a long time, Israel foot soldiers practiced the raid of Gaza for 2 and a half years on a model of Gaza in the south, and now we punched them in the face and yall can sit back, watch the news and shut the fuck up.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13173439]rofl my waff is a true moron, get educated - take a field trip to Israel and live here for a week see if your thoughts of Israel won't change, considering the long..ggg history of suffering due to religon.
[B]"Israel never agreed to let INTERNATIONAL thoughts change the fact that the Israel must protect it's citizens and their right to live, safely."[/B] - Israeli Prime Minster.
Let's see you live your day while every few hours a rain of rockets interrupt. DAILY.
We didn't start shit, Hamas tried us for a long time, Israel foot soldiers practiced the raid of Gaza for 2 and a half years on a model of Gaza in the south, and now we punched them in the face and yall can sit back, watch the news and shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]
Does Gaza have the right to protect it's citizens and their right to live without a humanitarian crisis being ongoing for two plus years?
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13173439]rofl my waff is a true moron, get educated - take a field trip to Israel and live here for a week see if your thoughts of Israel won't change, considering the long..ggg history of suffering due to religon.
[B]"Israel never agreed to let INTERNATIONAL thoughts change the fact that the Israel must protect it's citizens and their right to live, safely."[/B] - Israeli Prime Minster.
Let's see you live your day while every few hours a rain of rockets interrupt. DAILY.
We didn't start shit, Hamas tried us for a long time, Israel foot soldiers practiced the raid of Gaza for 2 and a half years on a model of Gaza in the south, and now we punched them in the face and yall can sit back, watch the news and shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]
Israel started shit in 1948.
The reason no one asked you is BECAUSE you live under a constant hail of rockets. It's hard to present a balanced view when people are shooting at you. Israel has only been around 60 years, of course Palestine aren't going to forget what happened just yet. It may be hard to understand this but the conflict has been going on for long before you were born, if you start looking at the conflict the day you arrived in Israel of course Palestine are going to look like the aggressors.
You realise what your government has been doing between open conflicts?
People in Gaza have to have stuff dragged through the tunnels for Egypt. Tools, petrol, food and even fridges. The tunnels aren't just used for weapons. They can't build a port because Israel controls the sea, they can't use the airport because Israel controls the airspace and they can't use the roads because they are walled in on all sides and the checkpoints are closed to the majority of commerical traffic.
People in the West Bank are at risk of having their homes taken from them, either by the military or Israel settlers. The settlements and farms Israel don't want are at risk of being bulldozed.
Edit - For fucks sake Europeans and Americans got a foothold in the middle east and then invited everyone in to take what they please.
[b] Get fucking educated. [/b]
[url]http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=386&ar=NanaTV01&dr=02:30:00%20-%202k%20-[/url]
theres a live feed of gaza. they just dropped a few bombs like 10 min ago, and some shooting went down also.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13173568]Israel started shit in 1948.
The reason no one asked you is BECAUSE you live under a constant hail of rockets. It's hard to present a balanced view when people are shooting at you.[/QUOTE]
And the reason your opinion is worthless is because you only care about the suffering of one side. It's hard to take either of your seriously when you're both playing favorites.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13174457]And the reason your opinion is worthless is because you only care about the suffering of one side. It's hard to take either of your seriously when you're both playing favorites.[/QUOTE]
Well considering the huge difference in casualties between the two, of course i feel more for them.
A huge military nation backed by the USA with a Zionist agenda versus a poor nation that has been pillaged by Israel and in return, it breed despair which turned into terrorism.
Who the fuck should i have more sympathy for?!They are both assholes but they vary in size.
I think of the children and woman before all.
So rather than judge based on how amoral or "wrong" you consider the acts of either side to be, you call them equal and judge them based on who's winning.
That's pointless to bring to a discussion. You've got no moral reason to dislike one side more than the other and no other reason presented to explain why you even care about what's going on.
I care about the suffering of both sides in the conflict. I'm not playing favourites, I just decided which side I thought was right personally.
Surely you can't agree with Israels [b]conduct[/b] during this conflict, regardless of its aims?
I even sent a PM to that OHaiYo guy hoping him and his family stayed in one piece when he made that thread afew days ago.
Of course I'd feel differently if Palestines rocket attacks were causing mass civilian casualties. If rockets were obliterating Sderot and causing hundreds of deaths then Israels current response might be justified. But only a couple of Israeli civilians have been killed, that does not justify the deaths of 230 children and Israels means.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13176315]Of course I'd feel differently if Palestines rocket attacks were causing mass civilian casualties. If rockets were obliterating Sderot and causing hundreds of deaths then Israels current response might be justified. But only a couple of Israeli civilians have been killed, that does not justify the deaths of 230 children and Israels means.[/QUOTE]
If the Unites States was being attacked by an enemy, do you really reckon it would spare ethics or anything similar?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13176315]I care about the suffering of both sides in the conflict. I'm not playing favourites, I just decided which side I thought was right personally.
Surely you can't agree with Israels [b]conduct[/b] during this conflict, regardless of its aims?
I even sent a PM to that OHaiYo guy hoping him and his family stayed in one piece when he made that thread afew days ago.
Of course I'd feel differently if Palestines rocket attacks were causing mass civilian casualties. If rockets were obliterating Sderot and causing hundreds of deaths then Israels current response might be justified. But only a couple of Israeli civilians have been killed, that does not justify the deaths of 230 children and Israels means.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because I want to live under the government that goes "Well only a couple of us have died. We'll let it slide."
Nevermind the fact that only a couple have died because Israelis get a brief few seconds to scramble to bomb shelters while the rockets are in flight. As a result they live in constant fear.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13177318]If the Unites States was being attacked by an enemy, do you really reckon it would spare ethics or anything similar?[/QUOTE]
The world has a tendancy to hate the United States for the way they handle wars.
[QUOTE=Rofl_my_Waff;13177541]The world has a tendancy to hate the United States for the way they handle wars.[/QUOTE]
Your point? The US would do anything to protect thier citizens.
[QUOTE=Rofl_my_Waff;13177541]The world has a tendancy to hate the United States for the way they handle wars.[/QUOTE]
No, Europe hates the US for how they handle wars. And perhaps Canada. But really the Canadians are too nice to be dicks about it.
Mostly because Europe apparently decided some time ago that they no longer need to get involved in foreign affairs.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13176315]I care about the suffering of both sides in the conflict. I'm not playing favourites, I just decided which side I thought was right personally.
Surely you can't agree with Israels [b]conduct[/b] during this conflict, regardless of its aims?
I even sent a PM to that OHaiYo guy hoping him and his family stayed in one piece when he made that thread afew days ago.
Of course I'd feel differently if Palestines rocket attacks were causing mass civilian casualties. If rockets were obliterating Sderot and causing hundreds of deaths then Israels current response might be justified. But only a couple of Israeli civilians have been killed, that does not justify the deaths of 230 children and Israels means.[/QUOTE]
What do you expect when the enemy they're fighting uses it's civilians as it's shield?
remember when terrorists were stealing planes and shit and everybody was OH GOD NO STOP PLEASE and people were giving into ransoms all the time and whatnot, until the SAS or whatever shot down that hijacked jet liner - then the terrorists stopped trying to hijack planes as much anymore?
it's the same situation here, hamas is hiding with it's civilians and using them as a social weapon against israel as it tries to flush hamas out and destroy it, taking a huge proportion of civilians with it
if you want someone to blame, blame hamas. they've made their civilians into a blackboard in which israel has the chalk - and all it's writing is 'don't fuck with us no more. we're tired of your shit and hiding behind your people isn't going to cut it anymore'. it's unfortunate that the people of gaza have to suffer for this, but once it's all over and done with, no more terrorist groups will try this sort of thing again for a long time
[QUOTE=GunFox;13177626]No, Europe hates the US for how they handle wars. And perhaps Canada. But really the Canadians are too nice to be dicks about it.
Mostly because Europe apparently decided some time ago that they no longer need to get involved in foreign affairs.[/QUOTE]
More like the US decided to make itself head of the world. You know some Americans supported the Junta in the Falklands because of the Monroe Doctrine?
This conflict's complexity is beyond everyone here's understanding.
[QUOTE=Fred;13175564]Well considering the huge difference in casualties between the two, of course i feel more for them.
A huge military nation backed by the USA with a Zionist agenda versus a poor nation that has been pillaged by Israel and in return, it breed despair which turned into terrorism.
Who the fuck should i have more sympathy for?!They are both assholes but they vary in size.
I think of the children and woman before all.[/QUOTE]
Except the terrorists are Islamic Extremists, not Nationalists.
This isn't a war of geography, because they know that firing rockets into Israel won't bring them closer to getting their land back, they do it because they want to kill Jews. Hamas's agenda isn't to have a peaceful Palestine, it's to have a Muslim world. If they cared at all about their people they wouldn't be hiding behind them or killing them themselves at a whim.
If it was 1948, I would definitely feel bad for the people of Gaza, but at this point they are so indoctrinated and violent that I feel as though Israel is doing exactly what it should be doing.
The youtube community once again proves it's relentless stupidity:
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Zionist have a hard time admitting any of their men died cuz they know the Muslim martyrs are in Paradise chilling like gangstas with the virgins, and the dead Zionist are in Hell getting enemas with scalding water.
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kill mthe muslims
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Hitler was crazy,but i know why was he hating jews,i hate them too.Everyone think that they are so peaceful and they always to this for defending themselves,but they are just motherfuckers!!
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You think arab nations are weak,but thats not right.Iran can beat these fucking jews alone ig it wants.You have no arab channel in your TV.
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[QUOTE=lazyguy;13178131]More like the US decided to make itself head of the world. You know some Americans supported the Junta in the Falklands because of the Monroe Doctrine?[/QUOTE]
Did you know that some Europeans supported it too?
Oh man, I bet some South Americans too.
OH OH and some of those crazy Asians might have supported it as well!
A part of the population is going to support just about anything, genius.
The US didn't decide to make itself head of the world. The endless number of requests from other countries directed at us made us the de facto military aid organization. How many European countries field super carrier battle groups? I'll give you a hint: It's less than one. Our carrier battle groups are what allow us to show up at a country in the middle of a civil war and put an IMMEDIATE end to the conflict, usually at the request of the people of that nation. But you never hear about it when we do that. (which is often as fuck)
Do you think the UN has even remotely the capabilities to put an end to all these conflicts? And before you get all "Well the US should support the UN more!" we ALREADY pay the MAXIMUM amount of money we possibly can to the UN each year. There is a cap on how much of the annual budget you can bankroll as a country so that the UN doesn't feel obligated to you.
We don't want to be head of the world. We want to go help other people. But Europe has their heads crammed too far up their collective ass to see that or to assist us in any real fashion. Except of course with Iraq. Good job you clowns. You joined us on the one conflict we are participating in that didn't need to occur.
[QUOTE=GunFox;13179583]Did you know that some Europeans supported it too?
Oh man, I bet some South Americans too.
OH OH and some of those crazy Asians might have supported it as well!
A part of the population is going to support just about anything, genius.
The US didn't decide to make itself head of the world. The endless number of requests from other countries directed at us made us the de facto military aid organization. How many European countries field super carrier battle groups? I'll give you a hint: It's less than one. Our carrier battle groups are what allow us to show up at a country in the middle of a civil war and put an IMMEDIATE end to the conflict, usually at the request of the people of that nation. But you never hear about it when we do that. (which is often as fuck)
Do you think the UN has even remotely the capabilities to put an end to all these conflicts? And before you get all "Well the US should support the UN more!" we ALREADY pay the MAXIMUM amount of money we possibly can to the UN each year. There is a cap on how much of the annual budget you can bankroll as a country so that the UN doesn't feel obligated to you.
We don't want to be head of the world. We want to go help other people. But Europe has their heads crammed too far up their collective ass to see that or to assist us in any real fashion. Except of course with Iraq. Good job you clowns. You joined us on the one conflict we are participating in that didn't need to occur.[/QUOTE]
Just a quick fact:
We joined in afghanistan too.
[QUOTE=Hatsen;13179691]Just a quick fact:
We joined in afghanistan too.[/QUOTE]
Ah, quite true, and it is most appreciated. My apologies for leaving that conflict out.
[QUOTE=Ephemeral;13177696]What do you expect when the enemy they're fighting uses it's civilians as it's shield?
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Did you know that Israel dropped the excuse that militants were firing from the UN school? Now they are saying it was an accidental stray mortar round.
Pretty powerful mortar round to take out 40 people mind.
If, for example the IRA fired a mortar (example. mortars would be stupid) into Northern Ireland and it killed a couple of people, I'd protest if the UK responded with a massive indiscriminate bombardment of Dublin that killed hundreds (almost a 1000 now) of people.
And if Hamas is choosing launch sites based on the possible collateral damage of retaliation how thick does the Israeli government have to be to play right into their hands? And not only that, but it seems they relish the opportunity to just kill as many people as they can.
Maybe it's just me, but I think there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with firing white phosphorus into a city. The Geneva convention also tends to agree, going as far as calling it a warcrime.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13183069]And if Hamas is choosing launch sites based on the possible collateral damage of retaliation how thick does the Israeli government have to be to play right into their hands? And not only that, but it seems they relish the opportunity to just kill as many people as they can.[/QUOTE]
They probably enjoy it to some extent, but what the hell else can they do? Absorb the deaths of their own civies and pretend nothing is happening? The israeli populace wouldn't stand for it.
The thick ones are Hamas, not understanding that nobody gives a shit how many poor pakistanis die. They're trying to make israel look bad, and don't seem to understand that the rest of the world isn't watching. They haven't for years, why would they start now?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13183069]Maybe it's just me, but I think there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with firing white phosphorus into a city. The Geneva convention also tends to agree, going as far as calling it a warcrime.[/QUOTE]
Except [i]nobody signed that protocol.[/i] It has no bearing on the situation because nobody involved said they would uphold it. The geneva convention is a voluntary thing.
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