[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13183504]They probably enjoy it to some extent, but what the hell else can they do? Absorb the deaths of their own civies and pretend nothing is happening? The israeli populace wouldn't stand for it.
The thick ones are Hamas, not understanding that nobody gives a shit how many poor pakistanis die. They're trying to make israel look bad, and don't seem to understand that the rest of the world isn't watching. They haven't for years, why would they start now?
Except [i]nobody signed that protocol.[/i] It has no bearing on the situation because nobody involved said they would uphold it. The geneva convention is a voluntary thing.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about where you are from but in the UK that are large protests. "Pakistanis" jeeze, what in the fuck.
The Geneva convention is voluntary, guess that makes it ok to cause horrific chemical burns to civilians.
I hope the pakistani comment was simply an act of ignorance rather than of sheer racism.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13183504]Except [i]nobody signed that protocol.[/i] It has no bearing on the situation because nobody involved said they would uphold it. The geneva convention is a voluntary thing.[/QUOTE]
oh you
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13183069]Did you know that Israel dropped the excuse that militants were firing from the UN school? Now they are saying it was an accidental stray mortar round.
Pretty powerful mortar round to take out 40 people mind.
If, for example the IRA fired a mortar (example. mortars would be stupid) into Northern Ireland and it killed a couple of people, I'd protest if the UK responded with a massive indiscriminate bombardment of Dublin that killed hundreds (almost a 1000 now) of people.
And if Hamas is choosing launch sites based on the possible collateral damage of retaliation how thick does the Israeli government have to be to play right into their hands? And not only that, but it seems they relish the opportunity to just kill as many people as they can.
Maybe it's just me, but I think there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with firing white phosphorus into a city. The Geneva convention also tends to agree, going as far as calling it a warcrime.[/QUOTE]
Dublin isn't in Northern Ireland
[QUOTE=Karskin;13184748]Dublin isn't in Northern Ireland[/QUOTE]
Well done.
Now read it again.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13184748]Dublin isn't in Northern Ireland[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure his point relied on this being so.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13185497]I'm pretty sure his point relied on this being so.[/QUOTE]
Well then his point in irrelevant, because Israel didn't attack Iran because it was under fire from Gaza. It attacked Gaza.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13183069]Maybe it's just me, but I think there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with firing white phosphorus into a city. The Geneva convention also tends to agree, going as far as calling it a warcrime.[/QUOTE]
I've always wanted to see a military faction employ white phosphorus in an offensive fashion. Many use it for targeting purposes, but they never actually hit anyone.
Mostly morbid curiosity rather than malice.
This plus the fact that they are using the "total disregard for innocent life" tactic for dealing with terrorists makes this conflict really entertaining in terms of sating my curiosity surrounding those two tactics.
I guess people just can't seem to figure out that if Israel gives an inch to Hamas they won't be satisfied until Israel is no longer a nation.
They're fighting for their civilization, Hamas is fighting to kill Israelis out of hatred.
I don't see how anyone in their right mind could view Hamas as anything besides a terrorist organization. They use their civilians as meat shields so that they can cry murder every time Israel takes out a target, even though Israel is kind enough to notify everyone they can in the area that it is about to be bombed. You know you don't have to stay in a warzone if you don't want to.
You also don't have to keep all your weapon caches in Mosques either, if you don't want them to get bombed.
[QUOTE=mephis;13188373]I guess people just can't seem to figure out that if Israel gives an inch to Hamas they won't be satisfied until Israel is no longer a nation.
They're fighting for their civilization, Hamas is fighting to kill Israelis out of hatred.
I don't see how anyone in their right mind could view Hamas as anything besides a terrorist organization. They use their civilians as meat shields so that they can cry murder every time Israel takes out a target, even though Israel is kind enough to notify everyone they can in the area that it is about to be bombed. You know you don't have to stay in a warzone if you don't want to.
You also don't have to keep all your weapon caches in Mosques either, if you don't want them to get bombed.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the civilians really have a choice? Gaza is so small it's almost a joke.
[QUOTE=slogsdon;13189414]Do you think the civilians really have a choice? Gaza is so small it's almost a joke.[/QUOTE]
We wanted to divide Israel fairly, and don't tell me this isn't true, because you know it's true and you know that I know that you know it's true. But no, they didn't want anything, so we decided ourselves what the borders will be.
And you know what? [B]FINE[/B], we took their land, WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONQUERING.
The Palestinians were too weak, and so were the arab nations. TOO BAD, They lost, FAIR AND SQUARE, and yea we had support from the USA, but they had 4 countries and support of a few more.
It's not our fault they can't protect their territory? It is what it is baby.
And check this out:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU[/url]
And the Anti Israelis will say: The IDF planted it themselves. Of course we did, because we're bored and that's what we do, plan conspiracies n shit.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13191155]We wanted to divide Israel fairly, and don't tell me this isn't true, because you know it's true and you know that I know that you know it's true. But no, they didn't want anything, so we decided ourselves what the borders will be.
And you know what? [B]FINE[/B], we took their land, WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONQUERING.
The Palestinians were too weak, and so were the arab nations. TOO BAD, They lost, FAIR AND SQUARE, and yea we had support from the USA, but they had 4 countries and support of a few more.
It's not our fault they can't protect their territory? It is what it is baby.
And check this out:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU[/url]
And the Anti Israelis will say: The IDF planted it themselves. Of course we did, because we're bored and that's what we do, plan conspiracies n shit.[/QUOTE]
Your post makes me sick.
[QUOTE=Hatsen;13191164]Your post makes me sick.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, if im not mistaken, the Truth hurts, doesn't make you sick
Incase it does make you sick, i suggest you finish it with this:
[B]2 minute history of the Middle East :D[/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HelIHTveKQw[/url]
Guaranteed to make you [B]puke[/B].
P.S - A lil education won't hurt.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13184459]I hope the pakistani comment was simply an act of ignorance rather than of sheer racism.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand what racism means and are desperately trying to jump to conclusions rather than think about what others say.
It's not racism, it's apathy. The rest of the world [i]does not care about dead pakis.[/i] That does not mean the rest of the world, or myself, are prejudiced against the people of that nation, it means we really don't care what their fate is. Does this make the U.N. racist every time they let something slide?
[QUOTE=GunFox;13188127]This plus the fact that they are using the "total disregard for innocent life" tactic for dealing with terrorists makes this conflict really entertaining in terms of sating my curiosity surrounding those two tactics.[/QUOTE]
You heard about the ingestion related issues? I've heard it actually gives people in the affected areas one hell of a digestive problem, including smoking stool.
That's hilarious.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13184484]oh you[/QUOTE]
Well really, how do you criticize someone for failure to uphold something they explicitly stated they would not uphold?
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13191155]We wanted to divide Israel fairly, and don't tell me this isn't true, because you know it's true and you know that I know that you know it's true. But no, they didn't want anything, so we decided ourselves what the borders will be.
And you know what? [B]FINE[/B], we took their land, WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO CONQUERING.
The Palestinians were too weak, and so were the arab nations. TOO BAD, They lost, FAIR AND SQUARE, and yea we had support from the USA, but they had 4 countries and support of a few more.
It's not our fault they can't protect their territory? It is what it is baby.
And check this out:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU[/url]
And the Anti Israelis will say: The IDF planted it themselves. Of course we did, because we're bored and that's what we do, plan conspiracies n shit.[/QUOTE]
Never before have I palmed my face as hard.
[QUOTE=Anonim;13191311]Never before have I palmed my face as hard.[/QUOTE]
They don't say the Truth hurts for nothing you know.. :]
[QUOTE=Karskin;13187218]Well then his point in irrelevant, because Israel didn't attack Iran because it was under fire from Gaza. It attacked Gaza.[/QUOTE]
My point kind of relied on people having any basic knowlage of the UK. Guess that is too much to ask.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK last time i checked. Let me put it in simple terms.
In my example;
Israel = UK
Ireland = Gaza
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13191232]I don't think you understand what racism means and are desperately trying to jump to conclusions rather than think about what others say.[/QUOTE]
I think you are desperately trying to deflect everything as fast as possible without thinking about it. Unsuccessfully deflecting may I add.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13191232]It's not racism, it's apathy. The rest of the world [i]does not care about dead [b]pakis.[/b][/i] That does not mean the rest of the world, or [b]myself[/b], are prejudiced against the people of that nation, it means we really don't care what their fate is. [/QUOTE]
You are still applying a blanket term that is often used in a derogatory fashion to everyone in the middle east.
Is this ignorance or racism? Question stands. Like it or not "Oh those bloody pakis are at it again" is still racist.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13191232]
Well really, how do you criticize someone for failure to uphold something they explicitly stated they would not uphold?[/QUOTE]
They didn't agree to it. That makes it ok does it? Do you realise what white phosphorus does to people? Do you think civilians should be subjected to that?
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13191206]Excuse me, if im not mistaken, the Truth hurts, doesn't make you sick
Incase it does make you sick, i suggest you finish it with this:
[B]2 minute history of the Middle East :D[/B]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HelIHTveKQw[/url]
Guaranteed to make you [B]puke[/B].
P.S - A lil education won't hurt.[/QUOTE]
That... that is your definition of an education? Wow.
Yes, they fought the Arabs, won and took their land. But does that make it right to oppress them so hard?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13191480]Yes, they fought the Arabs, won and took their land. But does that make it right to oppress them so hard?[/QUOTE]
How bout you come to Israel and check it out yourself, instead of sitting on your fat ass thousands of miles away and criticizing Israel for some photo shopped picture or a short video of some soldiers doing something.
Nobody is perfect, USA also has its shit in arab countries, and you'd do the same so how about you get in the boots of a soldier and consider the things you've lived through including the suicide bombings horror and rockets flying over on your family in Sderot, and see if you don't slip off for a minute.
It's about time Israel stopped listening to all yall bullshit and started doin something to help it's citizens.
and Hamas was chosen by the them and now it opresses them
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk[/url]
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13191524]How bout you come to Israel and check it out yourself, instead of sitting on your fat ass thousands of miles away and criticizing Israel for some photo shopped picture or a short video of some soldiers doing something.
Nobody is perfect, USA also has its shit in arab countries, and you'd do the same so how about you get in the boots of a soldier and consider the things you've lived through including the suicide bombings horror and rockets flying over on your family in Sderot, and see if you don't slip off for a minute.
It's about time Israel stopped listening to all yall bullshit and started doin something to help it's citizens.
and Hamas was chosen by the them and now it opresses them
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk[/url][/QUOTE]
Photoshopped pictures? The large amount of photos of white phosphorus canister type air bursts from various reputable sources isn't enough?
Lots of people criticise the USA for their involvement in the middle east..
Suicide bombings, rockets... you don't even live in Israel and you are shit scared. What an effective psychological campaign.
Lets just set one thing straight too. The whole human shield issue.
Do people actually realise the Gaza strip is literally walled in and very densely populated? What are they supposed to do?
Drive out into the sparse patches of desert, fire rockets and then stay there are wait for Israel to blow them up?
The militia have homes, family and a bed they go back to you know. They don't live in a barracks full of terrorists. Following a truck home with a UAV then dropping a 1000lb bomb onto the neighbourhood because the house is now a suspected weapons factory is just going to blow up the truck, any rockets, the militant and his family, but it is also has the potential to kill lots of civilians.
Even lgb's cause civilian deaths. You could guide a bomb down the chimney of an insurgent but it is still going to explode in a civilian area.
lol
yeh, lets just go with the wave, Israel = the new nazi shit [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-dance.gif[/img]
I don't know where you are getting this wave or bandwagon idea from either, there aren't actually that many people here that are taking a full view of the situation.
Mostly it seems to be people who don't give a shit, are getting rockets shot at them or want to annihilate all of the a-rabs in the middle east.
[QUOTE=OHaiYo;13191627]lol
yeh, lets just go with the wave, Israel = the new nazi shit [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-dance.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Yea let's go with that, if that what makes you're lonely life any better [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-dance.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13191618]Photoshopped pictures? The large amount of photos of white phosphorus canister type air bursts from various reputable sources isn't enough?
Lots of people criticise the USA for their involvement in the middle east..
Suicide bombings, rockets... you don't even live in Israel and you are shit scared. What an effective psychological campaign.
Lets just set one thing straight too. The whole human shield issue.
Do people actually realise the Gaza strip is literally walled in and very densely populated? What are they supposed to do?
Drive out into the sparse patches of desert, fire rockets and then stay there are wait for Israel to blow them up?
The militia have homes, family and a bed they go back to you know. They don't live in a barracks full of terrorists. Following a truck home with a UAV then dropping a 1000lb bomb onto the neighbourhood because the house is now a suspected weapons factory is just going to blow up the truck, any rockets, the militant and his family, but it is also has the potential to kill lots of civilians.
Even lgb's cause civilian deaths. You could guide a bomb down the chimney of an insurgent but it is still going to explode in a civilian area.[/QUOTE]
1. Yes there are pictures for example: of a soldier aiming a gun at a arab family when you clearly see the image of the soldier is taken from another place.
2. Well people are allowed to criticize.
3. I live in Israel, in a Kibutz 5 minutes by car north west of Be'er Sheva (and we can hear the hits in Be'er Sheva and they are loud even here.) - So... yea that psycho..something.. no. :( sorry :\
4. What are they supposed to do? I DONT KNOW, GET THE FUCK OUT I SUPPOSE?, It's not like they live in ghettos like the Jews in nazi germany. Believe that Gaza is huge and if you wanna live in a war zone that's your idiotic choice but I'd pack the [B]fuck[/B] up and move the [B]fuck[/B] out.
4. sparse patches of desert? naw, Residential areas, hospitals and their own mosques ( which are used for as ammunition storage facilities ! Excuse me but, Islam is full of bullshit at that point - when you use a holy place as.. that). We don't bomb residential areas for nothing, even though according to some dude sitting thousands of miles away, we are. And you know better than us. HOW STUPID OF ME.
6. That's right, you said it yourself, they don't have barracks, they use residential areas to protect them, because when innocent people die = Israel becomes the monster, but when Israeli innocent people die = Well, Jews aren't innocent, they're evil.
7. Nothing is suspected, oh sorry how dare I, you know oh so much about what's going on, even the journalists who aren't allowed in don't know as much as you!
You know everything don't you? I bet you do :)
Shooting missiles into other countries is ok as long as you're a third world country.
Once UK or USA or whatever country you are from have a area being harassed by a terrorist claiming they will push you off the land, and harassed is launching rockets at those cities.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WILL ALL CHANGE!
the whole god damn country and all kind of secret weapons will be all over the suspected terrorist areas! and it will be completely fine. Lol, Insurgents ...
If you feel a pain in your hip then its the Truth, which hurts, better check it out at a doctor, hilarious isn't it.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13191455]You are still applying a blanket term that is often used in a derogatory fashion to everyone in the middle east.[/QUOTE]
Racism:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
Prejudice:
1: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights ; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
And this says nothing for the fact that Paki or Pakistani defines a group of people hailing from one nation, not everyone in the middle east. One more word you apparently don't understand.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13191455]Is this ignorance or racism? Question stands. Like it or not "Oh those bloody pakis are at it again" is still racist.[/QUOTE]
I never said "Oh those bloody pakis", I claimed that the majority of the world was apathetic as to the problems of a specific people. Pakistani or Paki for short defined the people.
This is in no way reflecting a belief that race determines human traits, it does not disregard anyone's rights, it is not a preconceived judgment about a people (because it's a statement on the rest of the world), it's not an adverse opinion on those people in question (because it's referring to the rest of the world), and it has no hostility directed at those people (because it refers to the apathy of another group.)
I.E. you're thicker than reinforced concrete if you think that's racism, and if you think that apathy does not exist, you are welcome to show me the great outrage the rest of the world has toward the conflict and all the aid they're sending in. Until then, I'm correct, and proven to be so by the continued apathy of the world. I'm also not racist by virtue of the fact that I don't fit the definition.
Thus, neither point can be argued further. I trust you somehow misunderstood something in your wild conclusion jumping and will now settle down and argue things you understand.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13191455]They didn't agree to it. That makes it ok does it? Do you realise what white phosphorus does to people? Do you think civilians should be subjected to that?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes, and why not? I just mentioned the effects on people ingesting it, and how I thought they were hilarious. WP's a wonderful chemical, with a rich history. Besides, it's not like burnt people over there affect my life.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13192204]Besides, it's not like burnt people over there affect my life.[/QUOTE]
I find this lack of empathy seriously disturbing.
It's illogical to care about that which does not affect you. And I find your implied empathy disgusting because it achieves nothing.
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