• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=Anonim;13194592]And how have the actions of the [i]average Gazan[/i] justified Israel's blockade that collectively punishes 1.5 million people by refusing almost all aid from reaching them and crippling their entire economy, forcing them into a horrible humanitarian crisis? How did the children, who make up over half of Gaza's population, deserve to land in a situation like this?[/QUOTE] Well, I don't know what economy they had, but if they claim the Jews weren't here, and they came back to reclaim the country, then they had a few thousand years to do something with the land of Israel but they didn't. Within 60 years, Israel became a successful country which developed real fast and became a country that attracts many visitors from around the world and a safe home for Jews around the world. If the Jews never came back to reclaim the land. [B]The land of Israel would be sand and camel shit[/B]
And Oil? Why Else is the USA helping them?
[QUOTE=Taishu;13194660]Lack of empathy is one of the signs of psychopathic behaviour. I'm sure he's not doesn't fill all the criteria, but I am, however, gravely concerned about his comments. As for how to solve this conflict, it is clear that the Israeli government needs to try and initiate serious negotiations with Hamas. This, unfortunately, will never happen, seeing as how they currently profit from these attacks, which gives them more excuses to oppress the Palestinian people, and take harsher methods in use. What I don't get is why the fuck they placed Israel there in the first place. There are plenty of places in the U.S.A where they could've been. And don't give me that shit about it's in the bible, and it used to be theirs about two thousand years ago or something. Denmark used to control part of England many, many years ago, but you don't see us go reclaiming anything. Also, keep the thread free of propaganda posters please.[/QUOTE] He doesn't lack empathy. I'm sure if his mum died he cry fucking tears, he's just way too logical to care if someone who he has and will never meet and whose death will do nothing to affect him and he otherwise would never know about unless explicitly told to care at all about them. It doesn't make him a psychopath, it makes him a god damn Vulcan.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13194795]He doesn't lack empathy. I'm sure if his mum died he cry fucking tears, he's just way too logical to care if someone who he has and will never meet and whose death will do nothing to affect him and he otherwise would never know about unless explicitly told to care at all about them. It doesn't make him a psychopath, it makes him a god damn Vulcan.[/QUOTE] It is also illogical to cry if your mother dies, since after all crying will not return her. I would very much like to meet xenocidebot's creators, they must be very proficient programmers.
Man, defending Israel and telling the TRUTH is a hard job... Tomorrow the President of Israel, Shimon Peres is coming to my school. oh my god =P
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13194683]6. I don't think you quite understand this. Militants are not the army. Militants live in a house. At the end of the go home, and then they are blown up. The Gaza strip is very densely populated. Either the launch site or the place they go home to WILL be near a residental area. They probably do not, infact purposefully choose their launch sites so that they are right next to a juicy civilian target. The fact is, the launch site will be need a hospital, school ect whether they like it or not.[/QUOTE] Except WHY ARE THEY LAUNCHING IN THE FIRST PLACE?
[QUOTE=Karskin;13194820]Except WHY ARE THEY LAUNCHING IN THE FIRST PLACE?[/QUOTE] Because it's funny.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13194810]It is also illogical to cry if your mother dies, since after all crying will not return her. I would very much like to meet xenocidebot's creators, they must be very proficient programmers.[/QUOTE] So he's half Vulcan
[QUOTE=radioactive;13194851]Because it's funny.[/QUOTE] So then I guess you're an Israeli supporter because if their rockets are doing more damage, it must be many times more funny. Or this: It isn't funny, it's a terrorist act, stop fucking doing it. Setting up a launch pad next to a hospital because "there's nowhere else to put it" shows the immense lack of information you have on the entire situation.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13194895]Setting up a launch pad next to a hospital because "there's nowhere else to put it" shows the immense lack of information you have on the entire situation.[/QUOTE] For your information it is best to have some kind of a medical center nearby if you are planning on going to space. What if your rocket malfunctions and you are badly injured? You will need immediate medical care.
Well I find death and destruction funny, I saw a man ran over and I laughed. I need help...
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] The Palestinians are responsible hamas becoming the government of Palestine, the hamas are the ones responsible for the humanitarian crisis and for Israel attacking.[/quote] Guess that's alright then, those kids who had nothing to do with Hamas coming into power deserve it!!! [quote]hamas harasses Israeli cities for a very long time, now what do you do when someone harasses you? according to the law? "tell on him" to the police right? Let's say the police is the UN or the WORLD, and they don't listen to you, so, it's about time you take shit to your own hands, you cut off Food, Elecrticity and Water (Let's call it [I]FEW[/I] for now) for a period of time, to show hamas you're not going to let them harass you and get away with it[/quote] Honestly this is the entire point. No, you don't. Why should innocents be harmed because of the actions of hamas? [quote]Israel has to do something about them, so they punch them in the god damn face, and suddenly the world wakes up when they hear the punch, and now it's Israel's fault.[/quote] Punching hamas in the face is fine, they need it, and I completely back military action against Hamas by Israel. [quote]Well[B] FUCK THE WORLD![/B] It's Israel's time to shine, and protect it's people.[/quote] Oh dear look at the truth, the nationalism coming through now. [quote]Now tell me... "upside down nose picking kid", since when are wars something nice and comfortable? You're looking for a war without civilian casualties? well, shit happens! but Israeli civilians being killed? that's nothing, it's like it never exists.[/quote] Nobody is ignoring Israeli casualites, they have had to put up with a lot, and the attacks are awful and need to be stopped, but stop the deferrence, the issue here is how completely disproportionate it is. [quote]2. what do you think they are used for? fishing? Err.. nope, the hamas will use it of course to smuggle weapons, gas, rockets.[/quote] hamas are smuggling rockets so palestinians shouldn't eat. [quote]You think Palestinians have a voice? for all you know they want Israel to save them! You don't know but finally the Palestinians noticed hamas is bad for them and all of a sudden they want someone else to be their government. Dumb arabs.[/quote] You're joking aren't you, there's no way you can be serious about this. [quote] and 300sq.km? MAY I REMIND YOU, ISRAEL OFFERED A PLAN TO DIVIDE ISRAEL FAIRLY BETWEEN THE PEOPLE? but they didn't agree and we took more areas in the war, and Palastine was involved in the war so we kicked ass and im sorry to say that this is the result, I don't even know if I answered you're comment but im starting not to give a fuck, like my lovable country, ISRAEL. :D[/QUOTE] That's in the past, frankly I'm not surprised the Palestinians weren't happy that Israel was muscled into the middle east, but at any rate, nowadays Hamas is willing to trade a ceasefire for the old 1967 borders. Also, it seems you're getting more and more nationalist and belligerent as this thread goes along.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13194937]For your information it is best to have some kind of a medical center nearby if you are planning on going to space. What if your rocket malfunctions and you are badly injured? You will need immediate medical care.[/QUOTE] I lol'd. Even though I know you're not serious, I'll tie up some loose ends anyway. If Hamas actually did this, it would directly show their indifference to lives on either side of the border.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13194795]He doesn't lack empathy. I'm sure if his mum died he cry fucking tears, he's just way too logical to care if someone who he has and will never meet and whose death will do nothing to affect him and he otherwise would never know about unless explicitly told to care at all about them. It doesn't make him a psychopath, it makes him a god damn Vulcan.[/QUOTE] If he feels completly indifferent to anything that happens outside his own sphere, if he sees the suffering in other places than his own, and not have single tiny shed of emotion, he does indeed lack [i]some[/i] empathy. . I've never called him a psychopath though. OzOMighty on the other hand...
[QUOTE=Karskin;13194982]I lol'd. Even though I know you're not serious, I'll tie up some loose ends anyway. If Hamas actually did this, it would directly show their indifference to lives on either side of the border.[/QUOTE] If Hamas fired a rocket into space?
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704]I know what's going on in your mind, You spill your heart, and give me a hell of a paragraph of bullshit you pulled out a your penis hole and think you've just shut me up, well, I'm sorry for ruining your moment: [/QUOTE] Apart from the bombing seaport thing and the fact that the territory is closer to 350km2 everything he said there is true, and a fact. However, Israel doesn't allow ships to dock in Gaza, the navy turns them away. [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] Israel has to do something about them, so they punch them in the god damn face, and suddenly the world wakes up when they hear the punch, and now it's Israel's fault. [/QUOTE] Killing so many civilians is NOT ACCEPTABLE in the worlds eyes. [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] Well[B] FUCK THE WORLD![/B] It's Israel's time to shine, and protect it's people.[/QUOTE] Fuck, your insane. [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] Now tell me... "upside down nose picking kid", since when are wars something nice and comfortable? You're looking for a war without civilian casualties? well, shit happens! but Israeli civilians being killed? that's nothing, it's like it never exists.[/QUOTE] OH GOD PERSECUTION AHHH. For fucks sake it's not like no one gives a shit about Israeli deaths, but the response is disproportionate [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] What do you think they are used for? fishing? Err.. nope, the hamas will use it of course to smuggle weapons, gas, rockets. [/QUOTE] Of course some of the items smuggled are going to be weapons components. The goods coming through the tunnels outweighs the weapons shipments though. And just why can't Gazans have gas? [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704]Dumb arabs.[/QUOTE] And there we have it. Don't expect any more replies from me. [QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704] MAY I REMIND YOU, ISRAEL OFFERED A PLAN TO DIVIDE ISRAEL FAIRLY BETWEEN THE PEOPLE? [/QUOTE] Acually that was the UN, and by the time the Yom Kippur War came Israel didn't give a fuck about what had been designated Israeli and Arab. And FAIRLY? What is FAIR about having half of the region stolen from them? WHAT RIGHT DID WE HAVE TO FORM A STATE THERE?
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194704]I know what's going on in your mind, You spill your heart, and give me a hell of a paragraph of bullshit you pulled out a your penis hole and think you've just shut me up[/quote] Okay [quote]The Palestinians are responsible hamas becoming the government of Palestine, the hamas are the ones responsible for the humanitarian crisis and for Israel attacking.[/quote] Hamas was elected because: 1. They built hospitals, helped the UNRWA workers build schools and distribute aid, built all sorts of public services, etc. 2. They posed as a functional alternative to the corrupt Fatah. 3. They put up a resistance fight against an expansive Israel, which had forced many Palestinians out of their homes with their settlements and landgrabs. They made some very wrong choices, but it's not even on the same order of magnitude as the massive, unwarranted rape Israel hands out to Gaza. [quote]hamas harasses Israeli cities for a very long time, now what do you do when someone harasses you? according to the law? "tell on him" to the police right? Let's say the police is the UN or the WORLD, and they don't listen to you, so, it's about time you take shit to your own hands, you cut off Food, Elecrticity and Water (Let's call it [I]FEW[/I] for now) for a period of time, to show hamas you're not going to let them harass you and get away with it, but eventually Israel notices that it doesn't harm HAMAS, beacuse HAMAS, the terrorist organization that the world supports, doesn't care of the people, they even kill the people, but of course don't report it, so that they won't look evil to the world.[/quote] Hey, you know what they could do when the "world police" doesn't want to help them? They could [highlight]stop building fucking settlements on Palestinian land[/highlight]. They could [highlight]stop fucking forcing Palestinians out of their homes by bulldozing by now over 20,000 Palestinian houses[/highlight]. They could [highlight]stop keeping 10,000 Palestinians as political prisoners then go positively apeshit when one Israeli soldier is captured in the battlefield[/highlight]. They could [highlight][i]stop emplying the same fucking oppressive tactics upon the Palestinians as the nazi Germans did upon their parents and grandparents 60 fucking years ago[/i][/highlight]. [quote]Israel has to do something about them, so they punch them in the god damn face, and suddenly the world wakes up when they hear the punch, and now it's Israel's fault.[/quote] Except instead of a punch in the face, it's a tonne of white phosphorus obliterating their entire neighbourhood. And then a kick in their balls, and their children's balls on top of that as a sign of goodwill. And a blockade of goods. [quote]Well[B] FUCK THE WORLD![/B] It's Israel's time to shine, and protect it's people.[/quote] They wouldn't have any need to protect anyone hadn't they so aggressively fucked the Palestinians over. [quote]You're looking for a war without civilian casualties? well, shit happens! but Israeli civilians being killed? that's nothing, [b]it's like it never exists[/b].[/quote] But it [highlight][I]PRACTICALLY [u]DOESN'T[/u] FUCKING EXIST[/I][/highlight]. Since 2001, fifteen civilian Israelis have died from Hamas' rocket attacks. In the same period, well over 1,000 Gazans have died from Israeli raids, airstrikes and ground invasions. [quote]we bomb seaports? 1. I didn't know. 2. what do you think they are used for? fishing? Err.. nope, the hamas will use it of course to smuggle weapons, gas, rockets. [/quote] Way to be prejudiced there. Palestinians are all terrorists and don't need food, only weapons, so they can bomb the innocent Israelis taking their land. Even the smuggling tunnels today during the blockade are used for smuggling food, medical equipment and other vital things, in addition to weapons. In fact, Israel would have a lot more control over weapon smuggling if there was a port. And besides, how come Israel is allowed to have devastating weapons, even [i]nukes[/i], while Palestinians are not allowed to defend their homeland? If they had any possibility whatsoever to have trade, and weren't cut off from the rest of the world by Israel, maybe they wouldn't [i]need[/i] to smuggle a damn thing. [quote]You think Palestinians have a voice? for all you know they want Israel to save them! 300sq.km? MAY I REMIND YOU, ISRAEL OFFERED A PLAN TO DIVIDE ISRAEL FAIRLY BETWEEN THE PEOPLE?[/quote] May I remind you that Palestine was, you know, home to the Palestinians for almost two thousand years, and that suddenly Israel was to be created, taking [i]their land[/i], because of warcrimes perpetrated by someone else? I'd be pretty pissed too. [quote]im starting not to give a fuck, like my lovable country, ISRAEL. :D[/QUOTE] Well, that's been clear all along.
[QUOTE=KillerTV;13194973]Guess that's alright then, those kids who had nothing to do with Hamas coming into power deserve it!!! Honestly this is the entire point. No, you don't. Why should innocents be harmed because of the actions of hamas? Punching hamas in the face is fine, they need it, and I completely back military action against Hamas by Israel. Oh dear look at the truth, the nationalism coming through now. Nobody is ignoring Israeli casualites, they have had to put up with a lot, and the attacks are awful and need to be stopped, but stop the deferrence, the issue here is how completely disproportionate it is. hamas are smuggling rockets so palestinians shouldn't eat. You're joking aren't you, there's no way you can be serious about this. That's in the past, frankly I'm not surprised the Palestinians weren't happy that Israel was muscled into the middle east, but at any rate, nowadays Hamas is willing to trade a ceasefire for the old 1967 borders. Also, it seems you're getting more and more nationalist and belligerent as this thread goes along.[/QUOTE] First off, no it's not alright, but those "kids" (I quote because of the lack of childhood innocence) are so indoctrinated and injected with so much hate, that they are just as much militants as their adult counter parts. Also arguing disproportionate attacks is absolutely retarded. Are they supposed to kill one Palestinian for every Israeli killed? Two maybe? What value do you place on life? For Israel, Israeli life is priceless, and they're going to do everything in their power to protect it, just like they and any government should. Israeli has sent plenty of food into Gaza, so much that the warehouses are full. Hamas isn't delivering their food to the people, they do this to argue that there is a humanitarian crisis, like they care. Hamas was also trying to sell the food to their people. That whole area used to be under British control, if they didn't give it to Israel, it would still be British.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194818]Man, defending Israel and telling the TRUTH is a hard job... Tomorrow the President of Israel, Shimon Peres is coming to my school. oh my god =P[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KillerTV]Also, it seems you're getting more and more nationalist and belligerent as this thread goes along. [/QUOTE] Well. Mystery solved. OzOMighty, don;t pm my asking for replies anymore, because I'm not replying to your posts. Nationalism =/= The whole picture.
I think that they should nuke the world, then we will all be safe inside a vault (with arguments ofcourse) and we come back out and take over the world *Evil Laugh*.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13194759]Well, I don't know what economy they had, but if they claim the Jews weren't here, and they came back to reclaim the country, then they had a few thousand years to do something with the land of Israel but they didn't. Within 60 years, Israel became a successful country which developed real fast and became a country that attracts many visitors from around the world and a safe home for Jews around the world.[/quote] Palestinian economy may not have been all that fucking great, given that it was first fucked over by the Ottoman Turks for hundreds of years, then by the British, but it certainly was a lot fucking better than after Israel's creation. Also, keep in mind that Israel, with its ~7 million people, has received about as much aid from the US as Sub-Saharan Africa, South America and the Caribbean [b]combined[/b]. [quote]If the Jews never came back to reclaim the land. [B]The land of Israel would be sand and camel shit[/B][/QUOTE] Just wow.
Also before anyone starts yelling about the Gazans poor cramped conditions, remember that when the Gaza strip was created, there was only about 100,000 people living their, no one forced them to have all those babies.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13195159]Also before anyone starts yelling about the Gazans poor cramped conditions, remember that when the Gaza strip was created, there was only about 100,000 people living their, no one forced them to have all those babies.[/QUOTE] Correction : God made them have those babies you silly billy.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13195159]Also before anyone starts yelling about the Gazans poor cramped conditions, remember that when the Gaza strip was created, there was only about 100,000 people living their, no one forced them to have all those babies.[/QUOTE] Yes, they should have monitored their population growth more closely, and acted accordingly in response to any slight changes before it would go out of control
[QUOTE=Karskin;13195088]First off, no it's not alright, but those "kids" (I quote because of the lack of childhood innocence) are so indoctrinated and injected with so much hate, that they are just as much militants as their adult counter parts.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so just pre-emptively kill them off right now, right? I'm sure that won't breed any more hate, and I'm sure that they are simply indoctrinated at their UN schools. The hate doesn't at all come from Israel [b][i]actually[/i][/b] fucking them over -- that would be preposterous!
[QUOTE=Karskin;13195088]First off, no it's not alright, but those "kids" (I quote because of the lack of childhood innocence) are so indoctrinated and injected with so much hate, that they are just as much militants as their adult counter parts.[/quote] What a blanket statement, suggesting that everyone, including the children, even under 5s, 1 year olds, 2 year olds are filled with hate and terrorist intentions. There's no way you can use that as a legitimate reasoning for the dead Palestinian children. [quote]Also arguing disproportionate attacks is absolutely retarded. Are they supposed to kill one Palestinian for every Israeli killed? Two maybe? What value do you place on life? For Israel, Israeli life is priceless, and they're going to do everything in their power to protect it, just like they and any government should.[/quote] Frankly I don't think it's any government's job to fucking [B]flatten[/B] a country in response to a dozen deaths from rockets in 8 years. [QUOTE=Karskin;13195159]Also before anyone starts yelling about the Gazans poor cramped conditions, remember that when the Gaza strip was created, there was only about 100,000 people living their, no one forced them to have all those babies.[/QUOTE] You have to be fucking joking. HEY GAZANS IF YOU STOP BREEDING THEN OUR BOMBS WON'T HIT AS MANY OF YOU JEEZ YOU BRING IT UPON YOURSELF.
[QUOTE=Anonim;13195215]Yeah, so just pre-emptively kill them off right now, right? I'm sure that won't breed any more hate, and I'm sure that they are simply indoctrinated at their UN schools. The hate doesn't at all come from Israel [b][i]actually[/i][/b] fucking them over -- that would be preposterous![/QUOTE] You need to go back and read the thread. Start at page 40, then when you get back, you will be taken seriously.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13195088]First off, no it's not alright, but those "kids" (I quote because of the lack of childhood innocence) are so indoctrinated and injected with so much hate, that they are just as much militants as their adult counter parts.[/QUOTE] [highlight]Children are militants.[/highlight] [QUOTE=Karskin;13195088] Also arguing disproportionate attacks is absolutely retarded. Are they supposed to kill one Palestinian for every Israeli killed? Two maybe? What value do you place on life? For Israel, Israeli life is priceless, and they're going to do everything in their power to protect it, just like they and any government should. [/QUOTE] Life is priceless, but an Israeli life does not warrent the deaths of so many Palestinian lives. Yes, to make an omelette you need to break afew eegs, as they say, but the more care should be taken to preserve Palestinian civilian lives while attempting to stop the rocket fire into Israel. [QUOTE=Karskin;13195088] Israeli has sent plenty of food into Gaza, so much that the warehouses are full. Hamas isn't delivering their food to the people, they do this to argue that there is a humanitarian crisis, like they care. Hamas was also trying to sell the food to their people. [/QUOTE] The aid warehouses are not "full" but they are not empty either. It is very hard to distribute supplies in 3 hours but it is better than it was afew days ago. Medical supplies are pretty important too, especially in the current climate. [QUOTE=Karskin;13195088] That whole area used to be under British control, if they didn't give it to Israel, it would still be British.[/QUOTE] No, it wouldn't. Britain has given up most of it's overseas territories.
Well Anonim, you don't get it do you? People Die almost every 3 seconds and yet you make a fuss about some people that have been fighting since the dawn of time.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13195304][highlight]Children are militants.[/highlight] Life is priceless, but an Israeli life does not warrent the deaths of so many Palestinian lives. Yes, to make an omelette you need to break afew eegs, as they say, but the more care should be taken to preserve Palestinian civilian lives while attempting to stop the rocket fire into Israel. The aid warehouses are not "full" but they are not empty either. It is very hard to distribute supplies in 3 hours but it is better than it was afew days ago. Medical supplies are pretty important too, especially in the current climate. No, it wouldn't. Britain has given up most of it's overseas territories.[/QUOTE] So I see logic is not your strong point. First off, Israels #1 priority is Israelis. Second, they are taking precautions, except you seem to ignore every post that states and explains that. Also yes, there were reports of supply trucks turning around because they had nowhere to unload their supplies. You also seemed to ignore the whole part about Hamas. Also you're right, they gave it up to Israel. I don't see how that changes the fact that it was British, and the Palestinians held no claim there, there were Jews and Arabs living side by side there and there was no declared Palestine.
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