[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13197381]Psychopathy is a name given to behaviors that do not fit in with a societies dominant moral code. Lack of empathy is efficiency.
Please keep pseudoscience and personal moral codes to yourself, they have no bearing on the situation at hand.[/QUOTE]
So psychology is a pseudoscience?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198195]Let's walk back a ways. You claim I'm racist and imply the world is not apathetic towards the suffering of the pakistani people. I present the accepted definition of racism, and note how what I said did not fit that definition. [/quote]
You said you didn't care what happened to a bunch of Pakistanis and either did the world. I said that the word Pakistanis had been used out of ignorance or racism. Later you proved that this was out of racism by simply shortening it to Paki's.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot - On whether or not the world gives a shit (After trying to offer a counterpoint on an issue, but quoting something unrelated.;13198195]
This is not something we agree to disagree on, this is a thing you said being shot down and a thing you implied being killed before it ever got moving. You lost. Present counterpoints or drop it. [/quote]
The agree to disagree thing was about whether empathy should be factored into the equasion or not. Not whether or not the world gives a fuck. Aside from that the world does give a fuck, governments have their hands tied, but people are marching and staging protests.
Please read the post carefully. Furthermore I fail to see at which point I have "lost". You were racist and I called it out.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198195]
You have the reading comprehension of a newt, apparently.
I'm not advocating anything, I'm explaining both sides' rationale and who I think will likely be the winner based on past precedent. What [i]I[/i] advocate and what [i]I'd[/i] do are irrelevant. This is a military issue, I am discussing the present military aspects of it. If you've got no intelligent counterpoint based on that, don't reply. [/quote]
I didn't say you were advocating anything. I simply shortened your analysis of Israeli's military tactics.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198195]
If you'd like a bit of education on modern warfare, you can listen to this lecture.
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Why do I? I couldn't give a shit about the military tactics. I can still express how unsatisfied I am with the amount of civilian deaths which have been caused by the ongoing military operation.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198195]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic[/url]
Demonstration and subsequent inference. Demonstrate to me proof that "empathy" has place in a military affair outside the public view. Until then, it doesn't have a logical place in this discussion, and the only rational place it has is in discussing hypothetical scenarios. [/QUOTE]
If you want to view it from outside the public view, empathy has little or no place in military logic.
I, however am not in the military and am therefore viewing it from the public view.
But as I said before you decided to apply half of this quote to a different issue.
[Quote=SeamanStains]Lets just agree to disagree as to whether empathy should be factored into "logic" or not.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198195]Demonstration and subsequent inference. Demonstrate to me proof that "empathy" has place in a military affair outside the public view. Until then, it doesn't have a logical place in this discussion, and the only rational place it has is in discussing hypothetical scenarios.[/QUOTE]
The hypothetical scenarios weren't being discussed. I do believe it was about the unethical methods which Israel used to opress Palestine, and whether these were acceptable or not.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13198549]You said you didn't care what happened to a bunch of Pakistanis and either did the world. I said that the word Pakistanis had been used out of ignorance or racism. Later you proved that this was out of racism by simply shortening it to Paki's.[/QUOTE]
Except, by definition of the word, using a slang term for a group of people is still not racist. Get a dictionary to back you up and maybe you'll be taken seriously. Sans that point, you're still wrong, and proven so by the definition of the term.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13198549]I didn't say you were advocating anything. I simply shortened your analysis of Israeli's military tactics.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. Why not shorten my analysis of Hamas's tactics as well?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13198549]Why do I? I couldn't give a shit about the military tactics. I can still express how unsatisfied I am with the amount of civilian deaths which have been caused by the ongoing military operation.[/QUOTE]
Then don't reply to me speaking about military affairs. I don't care if you rant your heart out about your pointless morals but don't direct them at me when I'm discussing the actual situation.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13198549]If you want to view it from outside the public view, empathy has little or no place in military logic.
I, however am not in the military and am therefore viewing it from the public view.[/QUOTE]
And it still has no place in a logical discussion, because you're not capable of acting on your distaste of the situation. Your personal "feelings" are moot because they have no proven effect on the situation.
I'm fine with you ranting, but then stop replying to me as though anything you say is remotely relevant.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13198670]The hypothetical scenarios weren't being discussed. I do believe it was about the unethical methods which Israel used to opress Palestine, and whether these were acceptable or not.[/QUOTE]
Which is precisely why ethics and such have no place here- what you deem "acceptable" or not is completely unrelated to what will or will not occur.
But as I say, if you lads would rather weep and gnash teeth than discuss the actual situation, be my guest. I'll stop replying to you, you stop replying to me.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198709]Except, by definition of the word, using a slang term for a group of people is still not racist. Get a dictionary to back you up and maybe you'll be taken seriously. Sans that point, you're still wrong, and proven so by the definition of the term.[/QUOTE]
Definition from Dictonary.com
Paki
–noun, plural Pak⋅is. Chiefly British Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
1. a Pakistani, esp. one who has emigrated to Britain.
2. any emigrant to Britain from the Indian subcontinent.
n. pl. Pak·is Chiefly British Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring countries or for the descendant of such a person.
Link [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Paki[/url]
I'm also not British, the term is short for "pakistani" here. I can't see how it would be anything else, really, it's just four letters of the nation's name.
It's not like I'm calling them towel-heads or sand people or something, they're pakis. Kinda like some of you are brits.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198755]Which is precisely why ethics and such have no place here- what you deem "acceptable" or not is completely unrelated to what will or will not occur.
But as I say, if you lads would rather weep and gnash teeth than discuss the actual situation, be my guest. I'll stop replying to you, you stop replying to me.[/QUOTE]
What I wanted to hear was an actual opinion about ethics coming out of you, instead of military though talk. Everyone can read this crap somewhere, however ethical opinions are individual, and are often mixed from a variety of places, media, social circles and so on. They are therefore more unique and interesting, and allow the conversation to develop into a higher stage, than bickering over which side has the larger arsenal or better weapons training. You're merely stating cold facts, but what do you actually believe is right and wrong?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198936]I'm also not British, the term is short for "pakistani" here. I can't see how it would be anything else, really, it's just four letters of the nation's name.
It's not like I'm calling them towel-heads or sand people or something, they're pakis. Kinda like some of you are brits.[/QUOTE]
You asked for a dictonary definition I gave you one.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198709]Except, by definition of the word, using a slang term for a group of people is still not racist. Get a dictionary to back you up and maybe you'll be taken seriously. Sans that point, you're still wrong, and proven so by the definition of the term. [/quote]
Funny that Price Harry calling one of his comrades a paki is front page news at the moment.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198709]
Then don't reply to me speaking about military affairs. I don't care if you rant your heart out about your pointless morals but don't direct them at me when I'm discussing the actual situation. [/quote]
Morals and empathy has everything to do with the actual situation if you are human. Just because it isn't happening to you doesn't make it right.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198709]
And it still has no place in a logical discussion, because you're not capable of acting on your distaste of the situation. Your personal "feelings" are moot because they have no proven effect on the situation.[/quote]
What? Of course you can act on your distaste. I've already participated in one protest, and these protests have been broadcast on the media. Israels only limiting factor is that they have to stop when international opinion gets to overwhelming. [b]Feelings have an effect on the situation.[/b]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198709]
I'm fine with you ranting, but then stop replying to me as though anything you say is remotely relevant.[/QUOTE]
See above. What I am saying is relevant to the average human.
What you are expressing are the fews of a very atypical minority consisting of you, and toasters.
[QUOTE=Valnar;13198980]You asked for a dictonary definition I gave you one.[/QUOTE]
1. a Pakistani, esp. one who has emigrated to Britain.
I can mean that and nothing else you know.
Or go to a different dictionary. How about the wikitionary?
[url]http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Paki[/url]
1. Short for Pakistani.
2. (UK, Canada, pejorative, offensive and racist when spoken by non-Pakistanis) Pakistani, or perceived to be Pakistani.
According to this, by virtue of not being in the UK or Canada, it is neither offensive nor racist. It also explains why it's only racist over there. It doesn't make me racist coming from the U.S., it has a different impact here.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13198936]I'm also not British, the term is short for "pakistani" here. I can't see how it would be anything else, really, it's just four letters of the nation's name.
It's not like I'm calling them towel-heads or sand people or something, they're pakis. Kinda like some of you are brits.[/QUOTE]
Paki is a racial slur primarily in the UK and Canada, but also in other Anglophone countries like the US, Austrailia and NZ.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199063]It also explains why it's only racist over there. It doesn't make me racist coming from the U.S., it has a different impact here.[/QUOTE]
Then its all been a misunderstanding. Sorry about calling you racist.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13198964]What I wanted to hear was an actual opinion about ethics coming out of you[/QUOTE]
They have no bearing on the situation nor predicting it's outcome. Presume I am just the most dreadfully amoral man you know (because I likely am) and be done speaking to me unless it is regarding the military aspect of this conflict.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199003]Funny that Price Harry calling one of his comrades a paki is front page news at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Funny that he lives half the world away from me in another culture with different interpretations of the same word.
Although you seem to understand that now.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199003]Morals and empathy has everything to do with the actual situation if you are human. Just because it isn't happening to you doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]
No they don't. Again, prove your indignation accomplishes something if you want to be taken seriously, otherwise, don't reply to me.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199003]What? Of course you can act on your distaste. I've already participated in one protest, and these protests have been broadcast on the media. Israels only limiting factor is that they have to stop when international opinion gets to overwhelming. [b]Feelings have an effect on the situation.[/b][/QUOTE]
[b]No conflict in that region having been conclusively resolved in decades is proof that they do not.[/b]
Didn't The US turn down Isreal's request for Supplies?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199171]They have no bearing on the situation nor predicting it's outcome. Presume I am just the most dreadfully amoral man you know (because I likely am) and be done speaking to me unless it is regarding the military aspect of this conflict. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199171]
No they don't. Again, prove your indignation accomplishes something if you want to be taken seriously, otherwise, don't reply to me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199171]
[b]No conflict in that region having been conclusively resolved in decades is proof that they do not.[/b][/QUOTE]
Israel WILL have to stop once international pressure becomes to great, and [b]real[/b] military analyists have already said that this will be the case. Israel has never had this much international pressure in decades. Due to recent events in the middle east people are waking up and voicing their protests.
And what indignition? I'm not angry or distraught. Unless you definition of indignition is show weakness by caring.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199171]
Funny that he lives half the world away from me in another culture with different interpretations of the same word.[/QUOTE]
Shit mate, keep up. I've already apologised.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199280]Israel WILL have to stop once international pressure becomes to great, and [b]real[/b] military analyists have already said that this will be the case. Israel has never had this much international pressure in decades. Due to recent events in the middle east people are waking up and voicing their protests.[/QUOTE]
Doubt that will do shit.
[QUOTE=Kimaru;13199201]Didn't The US turn down Isreal's request for Supplies?[/QUOTE]
Nah. I honestly doubt much will happen even when Obama is in office, I honestly think he will just slow down the flow if anything, and even that will be minute.
Israel offers too much of a military technology benefit for the US.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13192091]
3. I live in Israel, in a Kibutz 5 minutes by car north west of Be'er Sheva (and we can hear the hits in Be'er Sheva and they are loud even here.) - So... yea that psycho..something.. no. :( sorry :\
4. What are they supposed to do? I DONT KNOW, GET THE FUCK OUT I SUPPOSE?, It's not like they live in ghettos like the Jews in nazi germany. Believe that Gaza is huge and if you wanna live in a war zone that's your idiotic choice but I'd pack the [B]fuck[/B] up and move the [B]fuck[/B] out.
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Here's to hoping you blow every one of the Hamas mother fuckers into a million bits.
[img]http://www.photorepetto.com/Beer/01-CHEERS.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=mephis;13199355]Here's to hoping you blow every one of the Hamas mother fuckers into a million bits.
[img]http://www.photorepetto.com/Beer/01-CHEERS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
And the stars look down.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199280]Israel WILL have to stop once international pressure becomes to great, and [b]real[/b] military analyists have already said that this will be the case. Israel has never had this much international pressure in decades. Due to recent events in the middle east people are waking up and voicing their protests.[/QUOTE]
They've said similar previously. Sorry lad, until they give in, you've got no proof to support that claim.
[QUOTE=mephis;13199355]Here's to hoping you blow every one of the Hamas mother fuckers into a million bits.[/QUOTE]
Oh hell.
We swing one way, then we swing the other.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199370]They've said similar previously. Sorry lad, until they give in, you've got no proof to support that claim.[/QUOTE]
They have said similar stuff previously? Mind linking this to me?
And "lad" jeeze get your head out your arse mate. No wonder you are missing feelings, there wasn't enough room after space in your brain after your ego.
Anyway. I can't be arsed with this thread anymore. I've got course work to do and this is distracting me too much considering the discussion is just going round and round and round.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13199391]Anyway. I can't be arsed with this thread anymore. I've got course work to do and this is distracting me too much considering the discussion is just going round and round and round.[/QUOTE]
what comes around goes around.
I'll tell you why!
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13199171]They have no bearing on the situation nor predicting it's outcome. Presume I am just the most dreadfully amoral man you know (because I likely am) and be done speaking to me unless it is regarding the military aspect of this conflict.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you'd be the most dreadful person I know (more like apathetic than dreadfulness), but very well, if you completely refuse to share your personal opinion of ethics in this situation, this conversation carries no purpose. Have a nice day Mr. bot, and remember to take your daily dose of prosium.
[QUOTE=mephis;13199355]Here's to hoping you blow every one of the Hamas mother fuckers into a million bits.
[img]http://www.photorepetto.com/Beer/01-CHEERS.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
:l
Sometimes, I wonder how you look at yourself in a mirror and recognize yourself as human.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13199404]I doubt you'd be the most dreadful person I know [/QUOTE]
you know chris3102?
[QUOTE=thisispain;13199412]you know chris3102?[/QUOTE]
That guy is a robot.
A robot that likes Alice in wonderland furry futanari gangbang porn.
[QUOTE=thisispain;13199412]you know chris3102?[/QUOTE]
Not really, no.
Hamas bitches gonna DIE.
[QUOTE=Endzone;13199409]:l
Sometimes, I wonder how you look at yourself in a mirror and recognize yourself as human.[/QUOTE]
Yea, sorry, I didn't know you had compassion for terrorists who hide behind women and children.
I would have been more tactful had I known this. Hahahaah Pffff
[QUOTE=mephis;13199507]Yea, sorry, I didn't know you had compassion for terrorists who hide behind women and children.
I would have been more tactful had I known this. Hahahaah Pffff[/QUOTE]
"There is no true evil, there is only those like us and those who are not."
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