[QUOTE=markg06;13210885]So when this little shit storm starts affecting other regions and they're still not listening will you like it when UN soldiers start rolling it?[/QUOTE]
don't worry israel has enough bombs for those arab-supporting UN soldiers too
Wonder how long it takes for you to realize there's a troll.
[QUOTE=GunFox;13209767]What?[B] WHAT?[/B]
WE MADE YOU. You exist because we cut a swath of land for your country to fucking exist.
And then we supported you and outfitted you with the means to defend yourself and poured billions into your country. This is in addition to the [I]millions[/I] of men and women who died in an attempt to end the holocaust.
Do you see our government in your country putting an end to your military operations? No. We have officially requested you be careful about killing civilians. And that is about it. What do you expect from us? No country wants to publicly condone your actions, however much we may support them.
Be happy that we are not flat out condemning the operation entirely. And be [I]extremely[/I] happy that we aren't angry enough to deploy military units to stop you.[/QUOTE]
A-men [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-911.gif[/img] or [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-britain.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Fred;13210842][url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zionism[/url]
You fit in there just fine you little racist.
Also, considering what just came out of your mouth, giving you every link and sources would be a waste of time and you would brand me as a *Arab Lover* or some other Zionist crap.[/QUOTE]
LOL, URBANDICTIONARY.COM? I know that site, [B]it's words that exist and the definitions are uploaded by people, they write it down, thats why they have the thumbs up \down too, and the many definitions . . . - you're a moron - that's not even a decent source, and give me 1 link, you can't find that, you a liar, and you don't have facts, like all you anti semitists and anti Israelis. Now you gonna run around the internet looking for something similar and probably stumble upon a Anti-Israel\Terrorist Supporter's site and post that. Typical.[/B]
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[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13211142]LOL, URBANDICTIONARY.COM? I know that site, [B]it's words that exist and the definitions are uploaded by people, they write it down, thats why they have the thumbs up \down too, and the many definitions . . . - you're a moron - that's not even a decent source, and give me 1 link, you can't find that, you a liar, and you don't have facts, like all you anti semitists and anti Israelis. Now you gonna run around the internet looking for something similar and probably stumble upon a Anti-Israel\Terrorist Supporter's site and post that. Typical.[/B][/QUOTE]
indeed, let us hope he falls victim to a terrorist attack for his comments
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13211182]indeed, let us hope he falls victim to a terrorist attack for his comments[/QUOTE]
Lol, you know me oh so well.
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You're the twin brother I never had.
Whoever believes palestinians only attack Israel because they hate jews has been living under a seriously big rock.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13208732]This conflict has nothing to do with religion.[/QUOTE]
Saying that is completely ignorant and asinine
[QUOTE=Karskin;13211736]Saying that is completely ignorant and asinine[/QUOTE]
Religion is a tool in this conflict, nothing more. Takes an atheist to see that I guess.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13209867]i have a duty, which is protecting as much as I can, Israel's image to the world...[/QUOTE]
Well, that went well
[QUOTE=TH89;13212357]Well, that went well[/QUOTE]
I was just thinking that
[QUOTE=TH89;13212357]Well, that went well[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.love-tub.net/forum/images/smilies/lolcryhk4.gif[/img]
Amen brother.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13212211]Religion is a tool in this conflict, nothing more. Takes an atheist to see that I guess.[/QUOTE]
I am an Atheist, and no, it isn't just a tool, it's a major cause of this conflict. It's a major cause of a lot of the world's conflicts.
Islamic Extremists (That would be Hamas, as I said they are not Nationalists, they are Religious Extremists) don't give a shit about Palestine, or Palestinians. Their objective to have God's religion dominate the world at the point of a sword. They are always the ones breaking the ceasefires, they are always the ones turning down offers of land. They don't care about any of that, they care about converting the Israelis, or wiping them out. Hamas is a key player in the Muslim Brotherhood, whose objective is "to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state".
Sure not every single person in Palestine is violent and hates non-Muslims, but the majority do, that's why they elected Hamas. I will repeat that Hamas doesn't give a flying fuck about any of it's own people, it only wants to uphold Muslim ideals. They kill their own people everyday. You may have missed the video where militants show up at a wedding and kill the groom because he was singing.
Saying that religion has nothing to do with this conflict, and it's only a matter of geography is what I would call the epitome of retarded. There are always more factors in war. There is always evil done on both sides. But you are siding with the people that want to get you next. And I'm not being racist or prejudice by saying that. Their agenda is to have Islam dominate the world, and they sure as hell are pushing it.
[QUOTE=Endzone;13210846]What I don't understand is thsi whole "Hamas hiding in civilian structures to trick Israel" shit. So Israel doesn't have access to a fucking map? They can't send in their soldiers instead of shelling the fucking place?
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I think they don't want to send in troops because it'd be in vain. Hamas is in a heavily entrenched position in an urban area. The number of ambush and choke points would probably be incredibly high. And like any army they'd rather kill some civilians they have no connection to rather than getting their soldiers killed.
Also for all we know the elections were rigged. I'm not saying they were but considering Hamas's power I wouldn't put it past them.
I also find it funny that a lot of the extremists on this site ended up banned.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]Islamic Extremists (That would be Hamas, as I said they are not Nationalists, they are Religious Extremists) don't give a shit about Palestine, or Palestinians. Their objective to have God's religion dominate the world at the point of a sword. They are always the ones breaking the ceasefires, they are always the ones turning down offers of land.[/QUOTE]
Part of the ceasefire agreement was for Israel to respect Hamas's borders, though.
[img]http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp275/ivor2001/offlimits.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=markfu;13212633]I think they don't want to send in troops because it'd be in vain. Hamas is in a heavily entrenched position in an urban area. The number of ambush and choke points would probably be incredibly high. And like any army they'd rather kill some civilians they have no connection to rather than getting their soldiers killed.[/QUOTE]
That is kind of ethically questionable though yeah?
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]I am an Atheist, and no, it isn't just a tool, it's a major cause of this conflict. It's a major cause of a lot of the world's conflicts.
Islamic Extremists (That would be Hamas, as I said they are not Nationalists, they are Religious Extremists) don't give a shit about Palestine, or Palestinians. Their objective to have God's religion dominate the world at the point of a sword. They are always the ones breaking the ceasefires, they are always the ones turning down offers of land. They don't care about any of that, they care about converting the Israelis, or wiping them out. Hamas is a key player in the Muslim Brotherhood, whose objective is "to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state".
Sure not every single person in Palestine is violent and hates non-Muslims, but the majority do, that's why they elected Hamas. I will repeat that Hamas doesn't give a flying fuck about any of it's own people, it only wants to uphold Muslim ideals. They kill their own people everyday. You may have missed the video where militants show up at a wedding and kill the groom because he was singing.
Saying that religion has nothing to do with this conflict, and it's only a matter of geography is what I would call the epitome of retarded. There are always more factors in war. There is always evil done on both sides. But you are siding with the people that want to get you next. And I'm not being racist or prejudice by saying that. Their agenda is to have Islam dominate the world, and they sure as hell are pushing it.[/QUOTE]
This current conflict between Israel and Palestine is a political one, not religious. And I doubt anyone here actually supports Hamas, I sure as hell don't. However I do believe that Israel is the main aggressor in this, and are also the ones currently holding the ability for a peaceful resolution (though I doubt they'll actually try to initiate negotiations).
Note how only 13 Israelis have died, and only 3 of those were civilians, whereas over 900 Palestinians have already lost their lives. Plus thousands of homes, hospitals and other civilian facilities which have been destroyed.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
Islamic Extremists (That would be Hamas, as I said they are not Nationalists, they are Religious Extremists) don't give a shit about Palestine, or Palestinians. Their objective to have God's religion dominate the world at the point of a sword. [/quote]
Their objective is to "raise the banner of God over every inch of Palestine raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned." and also eliminate zionism.
That is their offical charter anyway.
[QUOTE=Karskin]
Except that isn't true at all
[url]http://economiclogic.blogspot.com/20...de-bomber.html[/url]
[url]http://www.likud.nl/press330.html[/url] [/quote]
You may also remember this. One of the links says that Hamas leaders are not extremists themselves, but employ the tactic of using Islam to recruit extemists, and the other lists some of the methods which may be used to recruit them.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]They are always the ones breaking the ceasefires, they are always the ones turning down offers of land. They don't care about any of that, they care about converting the Israelis, or wiping them out. Hamas is a key player in the Muslim Brotherhood, whose objective is "to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state". [/quote]
Breaking ceasefires? The ceasefires are more like peace deals. Israel opens the boarders, Hamas stops firing. Unfortunately in practise the boarders are still clamped shut and Hamas is still firing rockets, but at a much lower rate.
Turning down land offers? Can you give some examples?
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
Sure not every single person in Palestine is violent and hates non-Muslims, but the majority do, that's why they elected Hamas.[/quote]
They wanted action to be taken, that is why they elected Hamas.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
I will repeat that Hamas doesn't give a flying fuck about any of it's own people, it only wants to uphold Muslim ideals. They kill their own people everyday. You may have missed the video where militants show up at a wedding and kill the groom because he was singing. [/quote]
No one is defending Hamas.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
Saying that religion has nothing to do with this conflict, and it's only a matter of geography is what I would call the epitome of retarded..[/QUOTE]
Not agreeing with your views = retarded?
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
There are always more factors in war. There is always evil done on both sides. But you are siding with the people that want to get you next. And I'm not being racist or prejudice by saying that. [/QUOTE]
From most of the interviews conducted with Palestinian civilians the general feeling is not that they hate Europe. Hamas is not going to randomly bomb Europe either, since that doesn't advance their goals.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13212580]
Their agenda is to have Islam dominate the world, and they sure as hell are pushing it. [/QUOTE]
No, their agenda isn't to dominate the planet. Why shouldn't they be allowed to spread their faith to people?
Also I find your new avatar pretty funny. Your posts are hardly enlightening and I have yet to see much logic in them. Mostly blindly defending Israel without a thought as to whether it may not be black and white.
I'm unsure if anyone knows of this, so I may be adding a barrel of gasoline or a bunch of dynamite to the fire.
Joe the Plumber is in Israel as a reporter. If you can find more links indicating this, go ahead. I'm finding this extremely amusing and entertaining, especially the outrage and chaos this is producing
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2009-01-12-raasch-column-01122009_N.htm[/url]
[url]http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/01/07/joe-the-plumber-reporter-is-off-to-israel/[/url]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/12/joe-the-plumber-fights-wi_n_157239.html[/url]
[url]http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/11/do-you-think-this-is-normal-the-way-you-cover-this-conflict/[/url]
[QUOTE=TH89;13212837]
That is kind of ethically questionable though yeah?[/QUOTE]
Well yeah.
I heard about the Joe the Plumber Israel thing.
Heh.
Now we need a liberal citizen news reporter to go in and balance everything out.
congrats israel you have p much killed 1000 Palestinians!
too bad the UN General Assembly president called this a "genocide"! don't let that stop you just kill whoever you want cause Palestine keeps shooting bottle rockets at you
Haha, gogo JTP... you idiot.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13213519]congrats israel you have p much killed 1000 Palestinians!
too bad the UN General Assembly president called this a "genocide"! don't let that stop you just kill whoever you want cause Palestine keeps shooting bottle rockets at you[/QUOTE]
1000th kill, woot! Let's celebrate!
[QUOTE=doggunn;13213553]1000th kill, woot! Let's celebrate![/QUOTE]
Are these your true sentiments or an attempt at humour and/or satire?
[quote]JOE: The story here is people are being killed and the media's slanting it and trying to make it Hamas is, uh, as far as, that Israel's being bad. Do you believe Israel is bad?
REPORTER: Do I believe it?
JOE: Yeah, do you?!
REPORTER: I'm Israeli, so...
JOE: So answer the question!
Story continues below
REPORTER: No, I don't think Israel is bad.
JOE: Do you think Israel has every right to protect itself?
REPORTER: Yeah.
[pause]
JOE: You do?!
REPORTER: Yeah.
JOE: Have you said that on air?
REPORTER: I'm just a reporter.[/quote]
Hahahaha
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13213586]Are these your true sentiments or an attempt at humour and/or satire?[/QUOTE]
Of course I'm not celebrating - but the operation must continue.
Hell yeah make a thread on this forum: [url]http://jtf.org/[/url]
Celebrating they're 1000th kill.
They'll be God damn ecstatic.
Seriously do it. I want to see their reactions.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13213553]1000th kill, woot! Let's celebrate![/QUOTE]
party hats and cake and champagne for all
[QUOTE=TH89;13213619]Hahahaha[/QUOTE]
I read that, and I lol'd hard.
I've noticed that without all the crazy people this thread has improved.
Also
Silly plumber, reporting is for reporters.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13213628]Of course I'm not celebrating - but the operation must continue.[/QUOTE]
the idf should go into the heart of gaza city and search every single building and detain all fighting aged males
these males should be sent deep into israel to prisons for holding
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