• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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Don't know if this has been posted already but: Anti-Israel demonstrations in Oslo, Norway: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udH1r18IV_w[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uumqjLbVWSw&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlCmjOp9PYM&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTYQeiW8xdw&feature=channel[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM_AOUdffKQ&feature=channel[/media] Theres lots of videos of it on youtube.
All the issues aside, I agree with Gunfox from a post he made earlier it's interesting to see how Israel is dealing with Hamas. Out terroring the terrorists is an interesting tactic. Like Gun mentioned, if you are alot scarier than terrorists they haven't got much ground to stand on. Especially if it's obvious that Israel will have no remorse in bombing targets when there will be civilian casualties. It depends on if Hamas will concede to what is probably alot of pressure from civilian groups to stop any aggressive behavior toward Israel to prevent further casualties. In short Israel isn't taking any shit.
I think it's almost a lose lose situation for Israel. If they pull back Hamas will declare a victory and will probably regroup and start more attacks after all the deaths. If Israel pushes forwards with the bombings there's a high chance they'll be condemned by other countries for the amount of civilian casualties. Also many friends/relatives of killed civilians may fight back against Israel for revenge. If they make a ground assault they'll lose many soldiers and probably won't not eradicate all of Hamas which will slowly rebuild over time.
[QUOTE=Firerain;13234455]hm yes A JUSTIFIED RESPONSE. YOU FIRIN' ROCKET AT ME HERE LET ME BLOWN UP A SCHOOL AND MAYBE THE UN HEADQUARTERS THAT WILL SHOW THEM! DEFENSE WE MUST DEFEND AGAINST THE BROWN PEOPLE [img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img][/QUOTE] Fuck yeah, Firerain is back.
So the UN comes in and Israel is like "STEP OFF BITCH" and proceeds to shell their headquarters. Now this is justified because the UN was harboring THE TERRORISTS in their HEADQUARTERS because the UN is in league with THE TERRORISTS. This god damn UN is a rogue state we ought to invade the hell out of them.
[QUOTE=NoName55;13236016]So the UN comes in and Israel is like "STEP OFF BITCH" and proceeds to shell their headquarters. Now this is justified because the UN was harboring THE TERRORISTS in their HEADQUARTERS because the UN is in league with THE TERRORISTS. This god damn UN is a rogue state we ought to invade the hell out of them.[/QUOTE] If this isn't sarcasm, I have to say: What?
[QUOTE=Hatsen;13236155]If this isn't sarcasm, I have to say: What?[/QUOTE] Yes that was sarcasm, I thought it was obvious but then I remembered this is Facepunch.
Israel is out of control. The Palestinians are getting really reamed.
[QUOTE=Firerain;13234384]i say BOMB MORE BROWN PEOPLE. IN A SCHOOL? NO PROBLEM WE'LL BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF IT LETS FUCK THOSE KIDDIES UP THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN THERE NO PLACE IS SACRED, CHURCHES AND MOSQUES LETS NUKE EM WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BOMB MORE BROWN PEOPLE 600 CHILDREN DEAD NOT ENOUGH LETS GO FOR 6,000 6,000 LESS BROWN PEOPLE TO TAKE OUR JOBS AND OUR WOMEN[/QUOTE] Oh my fucking god not that guy again. Mr. hyde is on the loose, everyone hide!
Reamed up the ass I may add.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]I'm pretty sure they want to liberate Palestine as well...[/QUOTE] You've got it completely backwards by saying they use Islam as a tool to liberate Palestine, when infact they are using the liberation of Palestine as a tool for Islam. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]Depends on how you define right and wrong.[/QUOTE] Would you consider killing people because they don't believe what you believe right? Do you think defending yourself is wrong? Don't say Israel isn't defending itself because of "disproportionate attacks." Israel isn't going to go in and kill 1 Palestinian for every Israeli killed, that isn't how war works, so get your head out of your ass. This isn't a conventional conflict, if Israel agrees to a ceasefire (read: hudna), it will only last until Palestine has regrouped and rearmed enough to start attacking Israel again [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]If being stupid means being against the brutal methods applied by Israel, then yes, I am stupid[/QUOTE] Actually that isn't what he said at all, learn to read. He's pointing out how blind you are and how you lack the basic logic to see what is going on. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]Good[/QUOTE] I have no idea why you felt need to post this [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]...And to liberate Palestine. I think that's somewhat more important for the majority of Palestinians.[/QUOTE] Except you obviously have no idea what Palestine is about, refer to the video heatsketch posted about the Shahada. They think Islam is much more important than Palestine [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]I don't think you need brainwash when the enemy is firing white phosphor at civilians[/QUOTE] What the hell are you talking about? Why do you think Israel is attacking back? Palestine was attacking Israel long before they launch WP rounds. Time and space must not apply to your twisted logic. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]Note how I'm not supporting Hamas, or their violent methods.[/QUOTE] Except you completely are. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129].... 3 Israeli civilians dead versus over 380 Palestinian civilians dead. [/QUOTE] Wow, inane statement is inane. Why are you only counting casualties from when Israel started attacking back. Maybe you should look at this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Casualties[/url] [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]Okay, you need to define the world, because I believe that most people would just like to see an end to the violence, and currently Israel is the main aggressor. Since most people feel sympathy for the innocent civilians, and since Israel is slaughtering them, naturally there's going to be a resentment towards Israel.[/QUOTE] Then why don't the innocents leave like refugees should? Oh wait, the other Arab countries won't except them either. Why won't Egypt let them in? Because they know if they don't people like you will drum up resistance to Israel because they're "slaughtering innocents." It's a fucking PR campaign. I hope Israel will keep fighting no matter what. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]If we have to go back and look at who started this, it was actually Israel that settled on Palestinian land without permission from the Palestinians themselves.[/QUOTE] Thanks for showing you have absolutely no idea what happened. The British owned Palestine was split in two. The Arab countries said no go, and planned to kill all the Jews and have it all for themselves. The Arabs told the Arab civilians to leave, and hundreds of thousands left, because they thought they would be able to return in 6 weeks when all the Jews were dead. The Arabs that stayed became Israeli citizens, and they now enjoy of quality of life better than anywhere else in the middle-east. The Jews won against the Arabs, and all the Arabs that left are still declared as refugees. All the Arab countries but Jordan refuses to give them citizenship and resettle them so they can have their little PR campaign against Israel. [url]http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/The%20Big%20Arab%20Lie.htm[/url] [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]No it is not, it is about politics and oppression. Religion has only been used as a tool for the Hamas to recruit extremists.[/QUOTE] Inane statement is inane. You've be shown the evidence. It's your decision to keep ignoring it, but know that to understand what is going on, you're going to need to except the fact sooner or later. This conflict has roots that go way further back then December 2008, and you're choosing to ignore all of it so you can keep thinking that Israel is the aggressor. [QUOTE=Taishu;13234129]Nope, there's no grand conspiracy, but Israel is, however, very much the wrong doer here. Prevention from being exterminated doesn't include bombing civilians.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Organisation[/url] Wrong again
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OK.
It's funny how Firerain can own you soo easily Karskin.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]You've got it completely backwards by saying they use Islam as a tool to liberate Palestine, when infact they are using the liberation of Palestine as a tool for Islam.[/QUOTE] No, I'm pretty sure I got it right the first time. This is a political conflict, not religious. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Would you consider killing people because they don't believe what you believe right? Do you think defending yourself is wrong? Don't say Israel isn't defending itself because of "disproportionate attacks." Israel isn't going to go in and kill 1 Palestinian for every Israeli killed, that isn't how war works, so get your head out of your ass. This isn't a conventional conflict, if Israel agrees to a ceasefire (read: hudna), it will only last until Palestine has regrouped and rearmed enough to start attacking Israel again[/QUOTE] They are not killing people because of their beliefs, but because they are being opressed. Also, they don't kill 1 Palestinian for every Israeli, they kill like 10, or 20 or even more. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Actually that isn't what he said at all, learn to read. He's pointing out how blind you are and how you lack the basic logic to see what is going on.[/QUOTE] Wow, if he says I'm blind, I must be blind. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]I have no idea why you felt need to post this[/QUOTE] Okay. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Except you obviously have no idea what Palestine is about, refer to the video heatsketch posted about the Shahada. They think Islam is much more important than Palestine[/QUOTE] Which one? Post it again. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]What the hell are you talking about? Why do you think Israel is attacking back? Palestine was attacking Israel long before they launch WP rounds. Time and space must not apply to your twisted logic.[/QUOTE] What I'm trying to tell you is, that if you fire inhumane weapons against the civilian population intentionally, the civilians won't like you quite as much. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Except you completely are.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not supporting them. However, I do understand why they are able to gather such large support from the population. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Wow, inane statement is inane. Why are you only counting casualties from when Israel started attacking back. Maybe you should look at this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Casualties[/url][/QUOTE] Because those numbers are from the conflict currently discussed in this thread. However those figures from that article clearly show the same pattern. The Palestinians are always hit the hardest. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Then why don't the innocents leave like refugees should? Oh wait, the other Arab countries won't except them either. Why won't Egypt let them in? Because they know if they don't people like you will drum up resistance to Israel because they're "slaughtering innocents." It's a fucking PR campaign. I hope Israel will keep fighting no matter what.[/QUOTE] Oh wait, they can't because Israel is blocking the roads. Besides, leaving your home and your land behind, just so Israel can grab it, will doubtfully seem like a popular alternative amongst the population. It's funny how they seem to think that the land is theirs, seeing as how they've lived there for decades. Stupid Palestinians. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Thanks for showing you have absolutely no idea what happened. The British owned Palestine was split in two. The Arab countries said no go, and planned to kill all the Jews and have it all for themselves. The Arabs told the Arab civilians to leave, and hundreds of thousands left, because they thought they would be able to return in 6 weeks when all the Jews were dead. The Arabs that stayed became Israeli citizens, and they now enjoy of quality of life better than anywhere else in the middle-east. The Jews won against the Arabs, and all the Arabs that left are still declared as refugees. All the Arab countries but Jordan refuses to give them citizenship and resettle them so they can have their little PR campaign against Israel. [url]http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/The%20Big%20Arab%20Lie.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Oh wow, that totally trustworthy site pops up again. Because it's so unbiased and made of solid proof, I'm going to believe every single thing written on it. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635]Inane statement is inane. You've be shown the evidence. It's your decision to keep ignoring it, but know that to understand what is going on, you're going to need to except the fact sooner or later. This conflict has roots that go way further back then December 2008, and you're choosing to ignore all of it so you can keep thinking that Israel is the aggressor.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen a single shred of objective evidence that supports your case. Guess I'll have to keep being ignorant. Oh, and do I know that the conflicts started way before this one. Israel has been bad in the past, but I do believe they've completly crossed the line this time. [QUOTE=Karskin;13238635][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Organisation[/url] Wrong again[/QUOTE] Israel still has the upper hand over Hamas, they are not a proper threat to the existence of Israel. Also, they only add more fuel to the fire by bombing civilians. Finally, explain the recent attack on the UN by Israel.
[QUOTE=Taishu;13240387]Finally, explain the recent attack on the UN by Israel.[/QUOTE] Israel attacked the entire goddam United Nations? How did they pull that off? Oh, you mean a UN-built structure.
[QUOTE=Firerain;13239515][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img][/QUOTE] blammo
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13240563]Israel attacked the entire goddam United Nations? How did they pull that off? Oh, you mean a UN-built structure.[/QUOTE] It's the Gaza UN headquarters. With white phosphorous, no less.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;13234162]Hamas deserved it. I mean, they shoot A LOT of rockets on Israel civilians, just because "they are jew and don't deserve to exist". It's like asking for it. Go, Israel, and kick some terrorists' ass! Also, Israel is just trying to hit terrorists. If Hamas cowards stay into schools or cities full of civilians, they are cowards.[/QUOTE] I mean, they shoot a LOT of rockets on Palestinian civilians, just because "they are BrownPeople and don't deserve to exist". It's like asking for it. Go, Palestine, and kick some IDF ass! Also, Palestine is just trying to hit Zionists. If the IDF cowards stay in "sniper outposts" (houses) full of civilians, they are cowards
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot]Israel attacked the entire goddam United Nations? How did they pull that off? Oh, you mean a UN-built structure. [/quote] They shelled a regional United Nations Headquarters, with UN staff. That is an attack on the UN isn't it? The UN is fucking pathetic. They need to actually do something if they ever want to be taken seriously. Some good news however is that Israeli ministers and generals involved in the offensive may be arrested and charged with warcrimes if they ever set foot in the UK or Spain.
[QUOTE=Cathbadh;13240710]It's the Gaza UN headquarters. With white phosphorous, no less.[/QUOTE] It's just a measly food/medical building and white phosphorous isn't illegal who cares [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-smug.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13240740]They shelled a regional United Nations Headquarters, with UN staff. That is an attack on the UN isn't it?[/QUOTE] About as much as attacking a UN owned shed anywhere else in the world would be. [QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13240749]It's just a measly food/medical building and white phosphorous isn't illegal who cares [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-smug.gif[/img][/QUOTE] More importantly the U.N. doesn't have any testicles, but it's nice to see you finally catching on.
Who cares about the hyprocrital UN oafs...
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13240731]Also, Palestine is just trying to hit Zionists. If the IDF cowards stay in "sniper outposts" (houses) full of civilians, they are cowards[/QUOTE] Can I get a link to those articles? I'm trying to find info on it and I'm just not coming up with the right words for a google search.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13241506]Who cares about the hyprocrital UN oafs...[/QUOTE]Yeah, fuck them and their providing aid to hundreds of Palestinian civilians maimed by indiscriminate Israeli shelling [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsbravo.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13242032]Yeah, fuck them and their providing aid to hundreds of Palestinian civilians maimed by indiscriminate Israeli shelling [img]http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsbravo.gif[/img][/QUOTE] They stopped doing that a while ago.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13242060]They stopped doing that a while ago.[/QUOTE] Because Israel blew up some schools and a convoy, all explicitly marked as UN-owned.
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13242127]Because Israel blew up some schools and a convoy, all explicitly marked as UN-owned.[/QUOTE] Israel had reason to blow up the convoy.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13242182]Israel had reason to blow up the convoy.[/QUOTE]Such as? I've heard it as "We didn't know it was UN, so we had a tank blow the fuck out of it." In fact, Israel just threatened to fire on a Greek Mercy Ship carrying humanitarian aid, and forced it to turn back.
[QUOTE=GunFox;13241673]Can I get a link to those articles? I'm trying to find info on it and I'm just not coming up with the right words for a google search.[/QUOTE] sure [url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/gaza-civilians-endangered-military-tactics-both-sides-20090108[/url] it's a lot different than firing a rocket then running the fuck away too; why is it unfair that Hamas fighters shouldn't fire on the move? The whole damn place is a city, you aren't using human shields for firing and moving around. Is Hamas supposed to fire a rocket and then sit there and wait for incoming artillery? That's the argument, atleast, I mean that Hamas uses human shields by firing-then-moving. They really aren't. Israel, however, tells civilians to stay in their homes as they climb to the rooftops to use as forward observation/sniper posts, knowing Hamas would think twice about firing at the house. This isn't the first time Israel's been hypocritical about human shields either: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url] Not to mention the famous picture of the Palestinian child tied to the hood of an Israeli humvee. Israel's human rights abuses against Palestinians are very well-documented so I don't believe any of the bullshit the IDF puts out about the "evils of Hamas" for using human shields. There's even reports (first-hand reports from Gazans apparently) of Israelis rounding up Palestinians and then calling in airstrikes in the place they put them. There's clearly a lot of cultural tension going on in this war, especially when you've got the BBC saying Israelis are shooting unarmed civilians carrying white flags in the back as they run away. It's getting harder and harder to be apologist to Israel's actions as this war goes on and so much shit hits the media. Experimental weapons, UN buildings being blown up, Israel having to come up with 3 excuses for the same travesty, it just goes on.
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