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[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243188]But according to afew accounts now they have asked civilians to leave their homes and head for schools ect, asking woman and children to come out first, followed by the men... but then they have shot woman in the head when they are in the street. How can you put shooting a woman in the head, while she is walking in the street down to an accident?[/QUOTE] And you honestly think this is happening? I've read it in the news, and all I can do is call it bullshit. Yes, sadly, it may have happened once or twice, but nowhere near the scale that it's been called. Anyway, what about during the cease-fire, why couldn't the Government set up jobs, crop areas or anything useful? Because they couldn't be fucked, is the most likely reason.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243188]Apparently in some rural areas, Israeli troops are shooting at anyone who opens their doors/curtains. Fair enough this could be put down to a number of real and accidental reasons because you don't know who is behind the door and recruits are liable to brick it when someone steps outside. But according to afew accounts now they have asked civilians to leave their homes and head for schools ect, asking woman and children to come out first, followed by the men... but then they have shot woman in the head when they are in the street. How can you put shooting a woman in the head, while she is walking in the street down to an accident? Rural Gazans in some on going conflict areas occupied by the IDF can't leave their homes for supplies without being shot. Surely they should be making better efforts to form a safe corridor for civilians to exit through?[/QUOTE] Rural, I thought they lived in a massively cramped ghetto? Also care to source this?
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243108] Except the Palestinians have already not liked them since 1947. [/quote] And rightfully so don't you think? [QUOTE=Karskin;13243108] But at the same time you don't understand why. [/quote] According to your interpretation. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243108] What about Egypt? Do you know anything about the Gaza strip? [/quote] I thought we'd already established that they can't leave through the Egyptian boarder. Infact I think you personally have said that afew times. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243108] Are you suggesting death is a better alternative then leaving their "cramped ghettos with no food"? Why do you flip-flop on the subject of this so much?[/quote] Why should they just give up and leave their homes? [QUOTE=Karskin;13243108] Which recent attack? The UN school that got bombed because it was being used to fire weapons? Because you know, it's not like Hamas can't control the UN in it's own country. Oh wait: [/QUOTE] Israeli already admitted there were no Hamas militants inside the school, or firing from the school. Their official story is now that it was stray and accidental fire. And he is talking about the recent shelling of the Gaza UN aid HQ, manned by UN staff who deny that militants were inside the compound and that if there were militants in their compound the IDF made no attempt to phone the staff before they started shelling the school with WP. Next to tanks of fuel, may I add.
Also to add onto that point, back when the first war was going on, some Iraqi soldiers put on burkas to hide their weapons. Then when they surrendered to the Israelis, they open fire on them from under their burkas. This conflict isn't a conventional one. You don't understand what is going on there.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13243249]And you honestly think this is happening? I've read it in the news, and all I can do is call it bullshit. Yes, sadly, it may have happened once or twice, but nowhere near the scale that it's been called. Anyway, what about during the cease-fire, why couldn't the Government set up jobs, crop areas or anything useful? Because they couldn't be fucked, is the most likely reason.[/QUOTE] Set up jobs? EVERYTHING associated with Hamas is being destroyed. While would you willingly sign up to be a civil servant at the moment?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243365]Set up jobs? EVERYTHING associated with Hamas is being destroyed. While would you willingly sign up to be a civil servant at the moment?[/QUOTE] I specifically mentioned during the period of the cease-fire.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243348]Also to add onto that point, back when the first war was going on, some Iraqi soldiers put on burkas to hide their weapons. Then when they surrendered to the Israelis, they open fire on them from under their burkas. This conflict isn't a conventional one. You don't understand what is going on there.[/QUOTE] That still doesn't change the fact that they told them to come out and head for the school, then shot first and asked questions later. I'll look for the report but it will take a minute to find it in all the other reports.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243340]And rightfully so don't you think? According to your interpretation. I thought we'd already established that they can't leave through the Egyptian boarder. Infact I think you personally have said that afew times. Why should they just give up and leave their homes? Israeli already admitted there were no Hamas militants inside the school, or firing from the school. Their official story is now that it was stray and accidental fire. And he is talking about the recent shelling of the Gaza UN aid HQ, manned by UN staff who deny that militants were inside the compound and that if there were militants in their compound the IDF made no attempt to phone the staff before they started shelling the school with WP. Next to tanks of fuel, may I add.[/QUOTE] Rightfully so? For what? Being given half of Palestine by the British? Beating the Palestinians back when they tried to wipe them out? They were literally fighting a war of annihilation. I saw a youtube video of three militants firing mortar from outside a school, maybe it wasn't the school they fired upon. Even still though, now you're pissing on your own feet. The Israelis are purposely slaughtering innocents by the hundred by accident? I'm not interpreting anything. Look at the facts posted. Why not leave to Egypt? Why not call out Egypt for making them suffer? Egypt even owned the Gaza strip for a while, why not resettle all the refugees? Because they don't want to. They want the suffering to continue because then people with no sense like you will continue to condemn Israel. Do you find it completely unbelievable that Hamas would fire from the UN compound, or at least that the fighting spilled over into it? Hamas doesn't give two shits about anyone but Allah.
Lol I can agree with my own posts. That's kind of strange (You may need the ratings script)
I'm not about to read this whole thread, but if it's been said already, disregard. : [b]The Hamas are negotiating a 6 month ceasefire with Israel (once again)[/b] It was in the papers this morning. Google it for more info.
All Hamas wants is to go back to the 1967 border arrangement. Here, [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein01132009.html]feed your head.[/url]
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243441]Rightfully so? For what? Being given half of Palestine by the British? Beating the Palestinians back when they tried to wipe them out? They were literally fighting a war of annihilation.[/quote] The British were wrong. You can't just say to someone their land doesn't belong to them anymore and expect them not to fight. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243441] I saw a youtube video of three militants firing mortar from outside a school, maybe it wasn't the school they fired upon. Even still though, now you're pissing on your own feet. The Israelis are purposely slaughtering innocents by the hundred by accident? [/quote] I didn't say there were slaughtering them on purpose. This is ISRAELS new official story, that they hit the school accidentally and there were no militants in it or that had fired from it. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243441] I'm not interpreting anything. Look at the fact posted. [/quote] It is your interpretation that Islam is an evil organisation hell bent on world domination. Afew crazy Imams do not speak for the whole of Islam either, and religious texts contradict themselves alot. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243441] Why not leave to Egypt? Why not call out Egypt for making them suffer? Egypt even owned the Gaza strip for a while, why not resettle all the refugees? Because they don't want to. They want the suffering to continue because then people with no sense like you will continue to condemn Israel.[/quote] No sense? To be honest the way you tell everyone that they are idiots/have no sense/ect is pretty tiring. Just because it is your personal view doesn't make it automatically right. [QUOTE=Karskin;13243441] Do you find it completely unbelievable that Hamas would fire from the UN compound, or at least that the fighting spilled over into it? Hamas doesn't give two shits about anyone but Allah.[/QUOTE] The UN staff said there were no militants in the compound, and that if there were they would deal with them. If you want to believe the UN personnelle are outright lieing that is up to you. Still trying to find that article on rural conflict zones but I'm having a hard time finding it buried under all the others.
[QUOTE=Poo Monst3r;13243572]I'm not about to read this whole thread, but if it's been said already, disregard. : [b]The Hamas are negotiating a 6 month ceasefire with Israel (once again)[/b] It was in the papers this morning. Google it for more info.[/QUOTE] Hey guess what [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna[/url] [B]EDIT:[/B] It's appears the article has been changed, so I'll post this from the discussion section: [I]I wholly agree that this should not be a forum for expressing bias on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but this entry is seriously lacking in the ancient historical perspective of the word. Most of the current disagreement on the term 'hudna' stems from the 'permanence' and/or 'intent' of the proposed treaty or ceasefire. Open for some debate is the issue of whether or not "hudnas" are intended as a "ceasefire until re-armament". Given that the longevity and underlying aims of the ceasefire are in question, it is far more than just a simple oversight to mention the historical hudna between Mohmammed and the Quraysh tribe without mentioning that this "first hudna" was in fact violated by Mohammed's armies and resulted in the decimation of the Quraysh. This omission is so glaring that it can only be seen as supportive of the Arab side in the dispute.[/I]
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243594]Hey guess what [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna[/url] Yeah, that sounds like a ceasefire. [B]EDIT:[/B] It's appears the article has been changed, so I'll post this from the discussion section: [I]I wholly agree that this should not be a forum for expressing bias on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but this entry is seriously lacking in the ancient historical perspective of the word. Most of the current disagreement on the term 'hudna' stems from the 'permanence' and/or 'intent' of the proposed treaty or ceasefire. Open for some debate is the issue of whether or not "hudnas" are intended as a "ceasefire until re-armament". Given that the longevity and underlying aims of the ceasefire are in question, it is far more than just a simple oversight to mention the historical hudna between Mohmammed and the Quraysh tribe without mentioning that this "first hudna" was in fact violated by Mohammed's armies and resulted in the decimation of the Quraysh. This omission is so glaring that it can only be seen as supportive of the Arab side in the dispute.[/I][/QUOTE] Yeah, a ceasefire. Do you think Israel won't and shouldn't replenish their arms either?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243674]Yeah, a ceasefire. Do you think Israel won't and shouldn't replenish their arms either?[/QUOTE] Wow can you read? It's only a cease-fire until re-armament. That means until Hamas has enough men and weapons to start attacking Israel again. What it basically means if an Islamic government is calling for a cease-fire is that they are weak, which means for Israel, this is the best time to strike.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243697]Wow can you read? It's only a cease-fire until re-armament. That means until Hamas has enough men and weapons to start attacking Israel again. What it basically means if an Islamic government is calling for a cease-fire is that they are weak, which means for Israel, this is the best time to strike.[/QUOTE]Or maybe, just maybe, they're calling for a ceasefire because they have no established military and Israel has been killing hundreds of their people and destroying any access to humanitarian aid?
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13243592]All Hamas wants is to go back to the 1967 border arrangement. Here, [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein01132009.html]feed your head.[/url][/QUOTE] Well the HAMAS must be idiots, since the Gaza border hasn't changed since 1967.
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13243738]Or maybe, just maybe, they're calling for a ceasefire because they have no established military and Israel has been killing hundreds of their people and destroying any access to humanitarian aid?[/QUOTE] Yet at the same time Israel is pumping them full of food and medical supplies and electricity. You still haven't realized that Hamas doesn't care about it's people, so that isn't the reason.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243779]Yet at the same time Israel is pumping them full of food and medical supplies and electricity. You still haven't realized that Hamas doesn't care about it's people, so that isn't the reason.[/QUOTE]Really? I thought the whole point of a BLOCKADE was to cut off those kinds of things. Hell, that's what caused people to call Gaza a humanitarian crisis a few years back, before Hamas was even in power.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13243744]Well the HAMAS must be idiots, since the Gaza border hasn't changed since 1967.[/QUOTE]I hate to quote firerain, but [QUOTE=Firerain;13239515][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img][/QUOTE] Just because there's a LEGAL border doesn't mean Israel won't keep looking the other way while settlers drive the Arabs back.
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13243803]I hate to quote firerain, but[/QUOTE] I hate to tell you, but Israel do not occupy any of the Gaza Strip anymore. They forecfully removed any Israeli settlements from that area not too long ago.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243697]Wow can you read? It's only a cease-fire until re-armament. That means until Hamas has enough men and weapons to start attacking Israel again. What it basically means if an Islamic government is calling for a cease-fire is that they are weak, which means for Israel, this is the best time to strike.[/QUOTE] The literal meaning Hudna is a ceasefire, truce ect.
And then refuse to cede the land back when confronted on the UN floor.
[QUOTE=Sibilantjoe;13243831]And then refuse to cede the land back when confronted on the UN floor.[/QUOTE] They don't occupy that land anymore...
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7823204.stm[/url] That is the article on the UN school.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243242]You are such a god damn crybaby. No one was shooting at him. They put him up there to teach him a lesson.[/QUOTE] If restrained him to the car because he was throwing rocks at them, to try and stop his friends throwing rocks, then he was being used as a human shield. Here are some articles about people apparently trapped by the IDF. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7828536.stm[/url] [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3655753,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.dci-pal.org/english/display.cfm?DocId=974&CategoryId=32[/url] [url]http://ramallahonline.com/component/content/article/72-human-rights/2757-witness-reports-that-israeli-soldiers-shot-woman-waving-white-flag-in-gaza-strip-[/url] [url]http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/20090113.asp[/url] Anyway - sleeping.
[QUOTE=doggunn;13243842]They don't occupy that land anymore...[/QUOTE] They still hold the land to the north, some to the south, some around the West Bank and East Jerusalem. All of those areas would not comply with the UN partition plan.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13244025]If restrained him to the car because he was throwing rocks at them, to try and stop his friends throwing rocks, then he was being used as a human shield. Here are some articles about people apparently trapped by the IDF. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7828536.stm[/url] [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3655753,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.dci-pal.org/english/display.cfm?DocId=974&CategoryId=32[/url] [url]http://ramallahonline.com/component/content/article/72-human-rights/2757-witness-reports-that-israeli-soldiers-shot-woman-waving-white-flag-in-gaza-strip-[/url] [url]http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/20090113.asp[/url] Anyway - sleeping.[/QUOTE] [url]http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Media_War_Crimes.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13243823]The literal meaning Hudna is a ceasefire, truce ect.[/QUOTE] [url]http://evidenceoftruthministries.org/MEA4.php[/url] Ctrl + F Hudna
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244288][url]http://evidenceoftruthministries.org/MEA4.php[/url] Ctrl + F Hudna[/QUOTE] Is that your best source?
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