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[QUOTE=slogsdon;13244303]Is that your best source?[/QUOTE] Considering wikipedia is under going a battle over the definition, something which I already state in a previous post on page 66 that you should go read, yes, it is. Why? Is it TOO BIASED for you? Just because he's Christian doesn't make him make wild claims in his definitions (aside from things where he says "BUT OUR LORD JESUS SAYS THIS IS A FALSITY!" He was even nice enough to cite us a verse from the Qu'ran [I]“If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them.” (Sura 8:51).[/I] [B]EDIT:[/B] Scratch that, most of what he says is retarded, but his definition of hudna is true enough (it infact doesn't explicitly mean a peace that leads to war, only a break in the war to regroup). The word Hudna translates as calm. According to Islamic law, a cease-fire cannot last more than 10 years.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244340]Considering wikipedia is under going a battle over the definition, something which I already state in a previous post on page 66 that you should go read, yes, it is. Why? Is it TOO BIASED for you? Just because he's Christian doesn't make him make wild claims in his definitions (aside from things where he says "BUT OUR LORD JESUS SAYS THIS IS A FALSITY!" He was even nice enough to cite us a verse from the Qu'ran [I]“If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them.” (Sura 8:51).[/I][/QUOTE] A Christian defining terms in the Quran is inherently biased. And how do you know it isn't taken out of context.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244278][url]http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Media_War_Crimes.asp[/url][/QUOTE] What does that have to do with it? In relation to that article though, why would they be using it to create smoke, or for illumination? They aren't concealing troop movements and they don't have to illuminate anything during the day. [QUOTE=Karskin;13244288][url]http://evidenceoftruthministries.org/MEA4.php[/url] Ctrl + F Hudna[/QUOTE] Sigh. Nice source. [QUOTE=Karskin;13244288] Scratch that, most of what he says is retarded, but his definition of hudna is true enough (it infact doesn't explicitly mean a peace that leads to war, only a break in the war to regroup). The word Hudna translates as calm. According to Islamic law, a cease-fire cannot last more than 10 years.[/QUOTE] So you quote some guys views as a source and then say he is retarded and that you only agree with his definition of hudna ... so basically you are saying you don't have a source? Whatever mate, if you are convinced Islam is trying to take over the world I don't think anything we say - even backing it up with reputable sources - is going to influence your view of what you think is going on in Gaza.
[QUOTE=slogsdon;13244421]A Christian defining terms in the Quran is inherently biased. And how do you know it isn't taken out of context.[/QUOTE] Because I supplied the context for you in a previous post Also on a side note, this was just IM'd to me [url]http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD219009[/url]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13244422]What does that have to do with it? In relation to that article though, why would they be using it to create smoke, or for illumination? They aren't concealing troop movements and they don't have to illuminate anything during the day.[/QUOTE] Scroll down silly
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13244422]What does that have to do with it? In relation to that article though, why would they be using it to create smoke, or for illumination? They aren't concealing troop movements and they don't have to illuminate anything during the day. Sigh. Nice source. So you quote some guys views as a source and then say he is retarded and that you only agree with his definition of hudna ... so basically you are saying you don't have a source? Whatever mate, if you are convinced Islam is trying to take over the world I don't think anything we say - even backing it up with reputable sources - is going to influence your view of what you think is going on in Gaza.[/QUOTE] Read the context on wikipedia, read the Qu'ran quote in the guys definition.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244447]Scroll down silly[/QUOTE] Obviously the civilians, medics and aid agencies are outright lying. [QUOTE=Karskin;13244475]Read the context on wikipedia, read the Qu'ran quote in the guys definition.[/QUOTE] What this? [Quote=Qu'ran]“If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them.” (Sura 8:51). [/quote] So if you honestly don't think the other side are going to uphold their part of the deal you can break the treaty off? Fair enough. But how does that turn into this... [QUOTE=Source]Hudna An Arabic term for a peace agreement created for the sole purpose of defeating one's enemy. Hence, it is a peace that is designed to lead to another war. NOTE: According to the Koran[/quote] ...from just that part of the Qu'ran?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13244575]Obviously the civilians, medics and aid agencies are outright lying. What this? So if you honestly don't think the other side are going to uphold their part of the deal you can break the treaty off? Fair enough. But how does that turn into this... ...from just that part of the Qu'ran?[/QUOTE] Read. The. Context. On. Wikipedia. That. I. Posted. So. I. Can. Stop. Typing. Like. This.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244610]Read. The. Context. On. Wikipedia. That. I. Posted. So. I. Can. Stop. Typing. Like. This.[/QUOTE] It's a ceasefire - it's just temporary stop to fighting, not a permanent stop. You are still fighting you are just not shooting each other. A hudna is just a ceasefire.
And was the whole Typing. Like. This. Thing. Really. Needed? I understand what you are saying but my point how is a hudna any different from a western ceasefire? You don't have to be an arsehole to get your point across., I'm not thick you know I just have a differing opinion than Islam is evil.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13244610]Read. The. Context. On. Wikipedia. That. I. Posted. So. I. Can. Stop. Typing. Like. This.[/QUOTE] Once again Karskin proves he's above being petty with a great reply that fully addresses any concerns. (lol)
I am back once more, has the debate/stupid argument gotten anywhere? I'm not going through 450 posts.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13242380]Hamas isn't just a militant group, they do a lot of civil shit in Gaza.[/QUOTE] Like shoot up weddings. [QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13242380]Targeting civilian infrastructure because it "might" be able to help the enemy is a pretty shitty tactic.[/QUOTE] No, it's a fucking brilliant and time honored tactic, it's just that you find it morally reprehensible. Then again you have no problems with a government that shoots civilians for singing in public, so I don't see how you can support that argument. Anyway, Egypt is mediating the cease-fire? [url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE50F2Q620090116[/url] Interesting.
[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img] its all about the DEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13244422]What does that have to do with it? In relation to that article though, why would they be using it to create smoke, or for illumination? They aren't concealing troop movements and they don't have to illuminate anything during the day.[/QUOTE] Gaza days are dark.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13244869]Once again Karskin proves he's above being petty with a great reply that fully addresses any concerns. (lol)[/QUOTE] Personal attacks? Hypocrite
[QUOTE=Firerain;13247277][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img] its all about the DEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE[/QUOTE] HOLY FUCKING SHIT. The Prophecy has been fulfilled.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13248238]Personal attacks? Hypocrite[/QUOTE] It's even better because you didn't reply to the guy you were actually arguing with. It's pretty funny watching you desperately attempt to argue. It's even better when you quote 'heatsketch' who was regibanned for being one of your alts you made while banned. 16 Days ago * heatsketch was regibanned for being an alt of Karskin lol
[QUOTE=Chippays;13251583]It's even better because you didn't reply to the guy you were actually arguing with. It's pretty funny watching you desperately attempt to argue. It's even better when you quote 'heatsketch' who was regibanned for being one of your alts you made while banned. 16 Days ago * heatsketch was regibanned for being an alt of Karskin lol[/QUOTE] Yeah he tried to register when I had my main account (Karskin) banned and I was using my alt (Karskiner) heatsketch is my brother, he lives in the same house and is on the same modem. When I got perma's for calling postal a dumbass, some other users on FP who have logged on my my house or I logged on at theirs were banned too. Way to jump to conclusions. Also there is nothing more to argue with him. The guy obviously isn't going to understand if he doesn't agree now, there is nothing more to say, just like how you ignored everything presented in the whole Shahada and decided to hang on to your irrelevant definition and argue pointless semantics and not actually contribute anything to the debate, so we stopped arguing that. [sp]What you try to point that I'm a hypocrite or something or arguing right now, but since you have no idea what context means, I don't really care anyway.[/sp]
Same to you mate to be honest, I won't be changing the way I think to simply adopt "Islam is evil". Still atleast you know when you have been beat on the whole hudna issue.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13252115] Also there is nothing more to argue with him. The guy obviously isn't going to understand if he doesn't agree now, there is nothing more to say, just like how you ignored everything presented in the whole Shahada and decided to hang on to your irrelevant definition and argue pointless semantics and not actually contribute anything to the debate, so we stopped arguing that. [sp]What you try to point that I'm a hypocrite or something or arguing right now, but since you have no idea what context means, I don't really care anyway.[/sp][/QUOTE] Semantics are not pointless when you're dealing with the [B]definition of a word.[/B] But I'm not going to argue with someone like you. Just like I wouldn't argue with a toddler about evolution. Nice spoiler too, here let me quote something that applies here. [QUOTE=Karskin;13248238]Personal attacks? Hypocrite[/QUOTE] Eagerly awaiting your next reply as you will never let anyone else have the last word. Maybe a more direct personal attack this time? [B]Edit:[/B] [QUOTE=SeamanStains;13252271]Same to you mate to be honest, I won't be changing the way I think to simply adopt "Islam is evil". Still atleast you know when you have been beat on the whole hudna issue.[/QUOTE] Don't bother honestly. If you're ever arguing with someone who thinks arguing that the dictionary definition of a word is wrong you should probably stick to simpler discussions.
[QUOTE=Chippays;13252297]Semantics are not pointless when you're dealing with the [B]definition of a word.[/B] But I'm not going to argue with someone like you. Just like I wouldn't argue with a toddler about evolution. Nice spoiler too, here let me quote something that applies here. [B]Eagerly awaiting your next reply as you will never let anyone else have the last word. Maybe a more direct personal attack this time?[/B] [B]Edit:[/B] Don't bother honestly. If you're ever arguing with someone who thinks arguing that the dictionary definition of a word is wrong you should probably stick to simpler discussions.[/QUOTE] One, look up the word context. Two, nice little trick you pulled there, why are you still here then?
[QUOTE=Firerain;13247277][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/34hgcbr.png[/img] its all about the DEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE[/QUOTE] Lovely racism/trolling.
[QUOTE=Anonim;13253310]Lovely racism/trolling.[/QUOTE] L2Firerain nub. By the way Firerain is 99.9% garry.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13253236]One, look up the word context. Two, nice little trick you pulled there, why are you still here then?[/QUOTE] You're honestly [I]still[/I] arguing about the definition of a word? I've already posted the definition and there's obviously not much more I can do for you. Sometimes it takes time to let complicated things sink in. And I'm here because watching your attempts at an argument brighten my day, especially when you use someone laughing at you as an excuse out of an argument you're losing terribly.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13243242]You are such a god damn crybaby. No one was shooting at him. They put him up there to teach him a lesson.[/QUOTE] heh look at you, look at you be an israeli apologist the IDF don't deserve to have rocks thrown at them but when they uses children as human shields it's ok cause it teaches them a lesson just like how people are saying the IDF's slaughter of thousands is teaching Gaza a lesson not to support Hamas you see, the israelis are just morality teachers. if the palestinians would just conform and DEAL WITH IT (the various human rights abuses committed by israel that is)... then we coudl have midlle east peace thhose stupid little shits shouldn't have thrown rocks at the "betters of society", they should have know better
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13253904]heh look at you, look at you be an israeli apologist the IDF don't deserve to have rocks thrown at them but when they uses children as human shields it's ok cause it teaches them a lesson just like how people are saying the IDF's slaughter of thousands is teaching Gaza a lesson not to support Hamas you see, the israelis are just morality teachers. if the palestinians would just conform and DEAL WITH IT (the various human rights abuses committed by israel that is)... then we coudl have midlle east peace thhose stupid little shits shouldn't have thrown rocks at the "betters of society", they should have know better[/QUOTE] You're correct!
[QUOTE=Chippays;13253500]You're honestly [I]still[/I] arguing about the definition of a word? I've already posted the definition and there's obviously not much more I can do for you. Sometimes it takes time to let complicated things sink in. And I'm here because watching your attempts at an argument brighten my day, especially when you use someone laughing at you as an excuse out of an argument you're losing terribly.[/QUOTE] Please explain how I'm losing terribly, because no one has actually posted any evidence to support their opinions. If you're so gung-ho on definitions, let me define context for you: [I]:discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation :the set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event; "the historical context" [/I] I love how your side always just says things without providing any source or backup at all. You're right about what you said about complicated things taking a long time to sink in though, you still can't comprehend basic logic.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan;13253904]heh look at you, look at you be an israeli apologist the IDF don't deserve to have rocks thrown at them but when they uses children as human shields it's ok cause it teaches them a lesson just like how people are saying the IDF's slaughter of thousands is teaching Gaza a lesson not to support Hamas you see, the israelis are just morality teachers. if the palestinians would just conform and DEAL WITH IT (the various human rights abuses committed by israel that is)... then we coudl have midlle east peace thhose stupid little shits shouldn't have thrown rocks at the "betters of society", they should have know better[/QUOTE] On further review of your post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. It seems like you're citing the one source of Israel being used as human shields, but saying they were just teaching the kid a lesson like what his parents should be doing. On the other hand i have no idea what you're talking about when you say the Palestinians need to conform. Conform to what? Israel's morals? Because that is kind of what I was going on about with the whole Islam deal.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13255630]Please explain how I'm losing terribly, because no one has actually posted any evidence to support their opinions. If you're so gung-ho on definitions, let me define context for you: [I]:discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation :the set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event; "the historical context" [/I] I love how your side always just says things without providing any source or backup at all. You're right about what you said about complicated things taking a long time to sink in though, you still can't comprehend basic logic.[/QUOTE] Judging by the fact you completely ignored his post in the middle of the discussion you obviously have no argument left for him to take apart. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong if you feel up to addressing his post. You can make all the excuses you want, but the fact remains you completely disregarded his argument in favor of "READ THIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE" and in the end simply ignoring him. And yes, I'm fully aware of the definition. You're the one who has trouble with definitions, if you remember. But no, "my side" doesn't say things without providing any source of backup. Because I'm not in any "side." It could be because of I have the common sense to know there is no good player in this conflict. (unlike yourself, unfortunately) Or it could be because I don't identify quotes on wikipedia made up by someone as my own arguments. (Once again, unlike yourself, unfortunately) Maybe you should read the section on definitions again, that could solve a lot of your problems!
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