• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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This thread has just become an argument over semantics and technicalities.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13255644]On further review of your post, I have no idea what you're trying to say. It seems like you're citing the one source of Israel being used as human shields, but saying they were just teaching the kid a lesson like what his parents should be doing. On the other hand i have no idea what you're talking about when you say the Palestinians need to conform. Conform to what? Israel's morals? Because that is kind of what I was going on about with the whole Islam deal.[/QUOTE] don't think you quite "get it"
[QUOTE=markfu;13256058]This thread has just become an argument over semantics and technicalities.[/QUOTE] an argument over semites and technicals
[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263661][img_thumb]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img_thumb] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?[/QUOTE] you can see that it's creating a very effective smoke screen
Just looks like some snow to me. I dunno what you guys are on but I want some of it.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13263672]you can see that it's creating a very effective smoke screen[/QUOTE] Indeed. And the flaming children and medical personnel light the way for the soldiers very nicely.
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263747]Indeed. And the flaming children and medical personnel light the way for the soldiers very nicely.[/QUOTE] The smoke and lighting effects add drama to the scene.
[QUOTE=Karskin;13255630]Please explain how I'm losing terribly, because no one has actually posted any evidence to support their opinions. If you're so gung-ho on definitions, let me define context for you: [I]:discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation :the set of facts or circumstances that surround a situation or event; "the historical context" [/I] I love how your side always just says things without providing any source or backup at all. You're right about what you said about complicated things taking a long time to sink in though, you still can't comprehend basic logic.[/QUOTE] so i think it's fine to drop chemical weapons on brown children because....... hamas
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263661][img]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?[/QUOTE] photoshop i can see the wires hamas is just trying to make GLORIOUS ISRAEL look ba.d
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263661][img]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?[/QUOTE] those 1,600 civilians are obviously a threat to israel's national security. duh
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263661][img]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?[/QUOTE] heh. no big deal. shouldn't have harbored terrorist
[QUOTE=Anonim;13263661][img]http://i40.tinypic.com/15546q1.jpg[/img] Dropping white phosphorus on a UN school used for cover by 1,600 fleeing civilians. "Lighting the way", eh?[/QUOTE] That's fucking [I]awesome[/I] looking. But again I question "why use it?". It mean a decent HE artillery shell would have flat out killed or wounded people in a much larger area. I just don't understand why these WP shells would be employed for anything outside of area denial (in terms of being used as weapons instead of tools). Not to mention an HE shell has to be a fraction of the cost. And nobody bats an eye when you tear people to shreds with white hot shrapnel, it's just the second you light somebody on fire...
$50 a gram for WP. A "regular" GPS-guided shell is $50,000. At least, I presume that's what we're talking about using for accuracy reasons, you can get a dumb 155mm for $300 so I suppose a shell is going to be cheaper in the end. But what's the volume of the average 155/200mm shell? Although regardless of what the cost is I still think it has to be area denial. They want the buildings more or less intact at the end of all of this.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13267015]$50 a gram for WP. A "regular" GPS-guided shell is $50,000. What's the volume of the average shell?[/QUOTE] Well WP isn't going to be the issue. It's the added complexity of delivery. Rather than just hitting the ground and going boom the shell has to know its altitude and detonate at the intended height (probably adjustable, further adding to the complexity) then it has to properly deploy the discs in the correct, or reasonably correct, spread. Plus I doubt each disc is pure WP, I don't imagine that WP is tough enough in solid form to maintain the disc form when shoved outside of the shell at high velocity. Maybe I'm wrong and it does wind up being cheaper, but I doubt it.
WP must be horrible, burning all the way down to the bone.
ISRAEL DECLARES CEASEFIRE [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7835794.stm[/url] [quote] Israeli is to halt offensive military activities in the Gaza Strip three weeks after beginning operations there, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said. Mr Olmert said a unilateral Israeli ceasefire would take effect from 0200 (2400 GMT). Earlier, a Hamas spokesman said it would fight until its demands were met, including an Israeli withdrawal. Nearly 1,200 Palestinians have been killed since the violence began on 27 December. Thirteen Israelis have died. [/quote]
Yay :)
[quote] Mr Olmert said a unilateral Israeli ceasefire would take effect from 0200 (2400 GMT). Earlier, a Hamas spokesman said it would fight until its demands were met, including an Israeli withdrawal. Nearly 1,200 Palestinians have been killed since the violence began on 27 December. Thirteen Israelis have died. Minutes before Mr Olmert was due to speak, a rocket was fired from Gaza, a BBC producer in Gaza said. The Israeli prime minister's announcement came in a televised address following a late-night cabinet meeting. Israel's operation in Gaza had fully achieved its aims, Mr Olmert said, with Hamas badly damaged both militarily and in terms of infrastructure. But the success of the ceasefire depended on Hamas, he said. If militant rocket fire into Israel continued, Israel would respond with force, he said. [/quote]
[QUOTE=GunFox;13266936]That's fucking [I]awesome[/I] looking. But again I question "why use it?". It mean a decent HE artillery shell would have flat out killed or wounded people in a much larger area. I just don't understand why these WP shells would be employed for anything outside of area denial (in terms of being used as weapons instead of tools). Not to mention an HE shell has to be a fraction of the cost. And nobody bats an eye when you tear people to shreds with white hot shrapnel, it's just the second you light somebody on fire...[/QUOTE] ugh gunfox don't make me hate you please The military jargon is cute and all but it doesn't excuse what is going on in this picture; Israel is using WP as a weapon to terrify Palestinians into rejecting Hamas ("you see, this slaughter is actually Hamas' fault!") even though it's just going to do the opposite. Showing the enemy that you are childkilling murderers with no conscience towards civilian casualties doesn't "teach" the enemy anything other than the fact that you're a monster that should be hated. Besides, it was a motherfucking UN building. Are you saying they should have just HE shelled the building and been done with it? How can you even say something like that without feeling a pain in your head and heart? And even if you are just saying what Israel "should" have done "tactically", why not just go out and say they [I]shouldn't have even shelled the damn building in the first place[/I]? It isn't awesome looking either; at least I don't think pictures of civilians, UN humanitarian building, and medical workers getting flaming WP discs rained upon them is awesome looking.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;13267189]ISRAEL DECLARES CEASEFIRE [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7835794.stm[/url][/QUOTE] right before Obama is inaugurated too Israel wanted to fuck with Gaza before their get-out-of-jail-free-card left office, actually it doesn't matter Obama doesn't give a fuck because of the horrible centrist he is at least the UN is calling for war crimes investigations! [url]http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/20091177657498163.html[/url] finally some good news
You're overly optimistic. Tanks shells are dumb- they can't pass themselves off as not knowing where the school was, but they can pass the shots off as errant and unintentional.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13267015]$50 a gram for WP. A "regular" GPS-guided shell is $50,000. At least, I presume that's what we're talking about using for accuracy reasons, you can get a dumb 155mm for $300 so I suppose a shell is going to be cheaper in the end. But what's the volume of the average 155/200mm shell? Although regardless of what the cost is I still think it has to be area denial. They want the buildings more or less intact at the end of all of this.[/QUOTE] Probably useing WP as a psychological tactic, because seeing fireballs come from the heavens and the thought of being burned alive would have a different effect on the mind of the population as a whole then just an HE shell.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;13267647]You're overly optimistic. Tanks shells are dumb- they can't pass themselves off as not knowing where the school was, but they can pass the shots off as errant and unintentional.[/QUOTE] too bad the school gave them their GPS coordinates and told them there were refugees inside right before they shelled it; there is literally no excuse [quote]Investigation demanded About 1,600 civilians had sought refuge from the fighting inside the building, Gunness said. [B]"The Israeli army knew exactly our GPS co-ordinates and they would have known that hundreds of people had taken shelter there," he said.[/B] "When you have a direct hit into the third floor of a UN school, there has to be an investigation to see if a war crime has been committed." [B]Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, said: "I condemn in the strongest terms this outrageous attack, which is the third time it's happened. "Top israeli leaders have apologised and assured me [U][I]two days ago[/I][/U] that UN premises would be fully respected.[/B] [B]"I strongly demand a thorough investigation and punishment for those responsible," he told reporters in Beirut.[/B] John Ging, the director of Unrwa, told Al Jazeera: "People today are alleging war crimes here in Gaza. Let's have it properly accounted for. Let's have the legal process which will establish exactly what has happened here.[/quote] lol (was hard not to bold the whole thing because lol) Also I'm not optimistic, I'm extremely pessimistic that Obama ain't going to do jack shit about this at all and will condemn Hamas more than he condemns Israel. Dragging the IDF to the Hague is ideal, hopefully the UN will stand up for human rights in this case.
Is this thread still on Hamaz's side?
[QUOTE=Un.Hxx.Aé;13268142]Is this thread still on Hamaz's side?[/QUOTE] No, it's on reality's side.
[QUOTE=Fred;13268186]No, it's on reality's side.[/QUOTE] Impossible, this is Facepunch!
also I really really hope that WP picture becomes one of history's great photographs, because it is so damning against Israel considering the story behind it The fucking ambulance even has "UN" written on it, can't wait until this shit is over with and the media can show the truth in Gaza through photography because Israel really, really needs to be held accountable for this.
god bless hamas
I'll bet my account that Palestine will fire rockets again before the year is out.
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