• Israel Thread [STOP MAKING NEW ONES]
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[QUOTE=Conscript;13332793]The palestinians lived there for centuries. What part of this aren't you getting?[/QUOTE] Where Jews lived since for ever and they just came in a few centuries back with a backpack full of lies which actually worked pretty well on yall.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13354416]Where Jews lived since for ever and they just came in a few centuries back with a backpack full of lies which actually worked pretty well on yall.[/QUOTE] 'Jew' is not an ethnicity. There can be palestinian jews, then there can be israeli jews (many of whom support an israeli state, which would act in the interests of zionists and judaism in the middle east). On the other hand, palestine was a nation state that consisted of ethnic palestinians, some of whom were jewish.
Palestinians aren't an ethnicity too, you think they are an ethnicity? There is a name of a people that had a name similar to Palestinian's in the bible - in Hebrew it's Plishtim - - but it aint them + they are just a mix of Syrians, Lebanons Egyptians and what ever, see, let me break it down for you real quick: Ottoman Empire - I suppose you know what that is? Well, before Britain occupied the middle east, the Ottoman empire was like a big country! so Israel was part of the land, and not a special area, (I mean, Jerusalem isn't sacred to the muslims too! They pray to Mecca! so if they were in between mecca and Jerusalem - their backs was to their sacred Jerusalem) Back to Israel - well in Israel, there were arabs of all kinds! and had a lil salad in Israel - not only Israel By the way, around the borders of today! And I know we aren't an ethnicity fool! It's the world that claims "Jews left and they came back" so they say it like an ethnicity, So you said it yourself - Palestinian Jews, We were always here.
[QUOTE=Conscript;13354503]'Jew' is not an ethnicity. There can be palestinian jews, then there can be israeli jews (many of whom support an israeli state, which would act in the interests of zionists and judaism in the middle east). On the other hand, palestine was a nation state that consisted of ethnic palestinians, some of whom were jewish.[/QUOTE] Actually Judaism is an ethnoreligious group. There is no such thing as ethnic palestinians. They were and still are Arabs. A Palestinian Jew was a Jew that lived in Palestine.
May I have 5 minutes of your time? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA_UrnZGneM[/url] I wanna see the reactions on this too.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13354650]Palestinians aren't an ethnicity too, you think they are an ethnicity? There is a name of a people that had a name similar to Palestinian's in the bible - in Hebrew it's Plishtim - - but it aint them + they are just a mix of Syrians, Lebanons Egyptians and what ever, see, let me break it down for you real quick: Ottoman Empire - I suppose you know what that is? Well, before Britain occupied the middle east, the Ottoman empire was like a big country! so Israel was part of the land, and not a special area, (I mean, Jerusalem isn't sacred to the muslims too! They pray to Mecca! so if they were in between mecca and Jerusalem - their backs was to their sacred Jerusalem) Back to Israel - well in Israel, there were arabs of all kinds! and had a lil salad in Israel - not only Israel By the way, around the borders of today! And I know we aren't an ethnicity fool! It's the world that claims "Jews left and they came back" so they say it like an ethnicity, So you said it yourself - Palestinian Jews, We were always here.[/QUOTE] I was wrong about them being an ethnicity (although they do very well have their own identity). To clarify, what I meant by palestinian jew is that there is palestinians that are jewish (in the sense of religion, which in no way supports a jewish state). So what justifies Israel's claim on palestine? Is it the idea of the 'promised land'?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;13352884]Watch the whole thing. It's taking the piss.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the "LOL get this serious shit off YTMND!" posts
[QUOTE=Conscript;13355738]I was wrong about them being an ethnicity (although they do very well have their own identity). To clarify, what I meant by palestinian jew is that there is palestinians that are jewish (in the sense of religion, which in no way supports a jewish state). So what justifies Israel's claim on palestine? Is it the idea of the 'promised land'?[/QUOTE] There is basically no such thing as Palestinian Jews any more. Almost all would have become citizens of Israel when it was created. I imagine you would be lucky to find 1000 people who would describe themselves as Palestinian Jews. Israel was originally created after the British mandate of Palestine and Transjorden ran out by a UN planned approved by most countries (Except most of the Arab states). When Israel declared independence the Surrounding Arab nations invaded. Israel managed to repel during the First Arab Israeli war and took a lot of land that wasn't designated to them under the UN peace plan. There are historical reasons for the Israeli's claim to land, same as the Palestinians claim to land.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;13355927]There is basically no such thing as Palestinian Jews any more. Almost all would have become citizens of Israel when it was created. I imagine you would be lucky to find 1000 people who would describe themselves as Palestinian Jews. Israel was originally created after the British mandate of Palestine and Transjorden ran out by a UN planned approved by most countries (Except most of the Arab states). When Israel declared independence the Surrounding Arab nations invaded. Israel managed to repel during the First Arab Israeli war and took a lot of land that wasn't designated to them under the UN peace plan. There are historical reasons for the Israeli's claim to land, same as the Palestinians claim to land.[/QUOTE] Israel should have just kept the conquered lands, would have taught the Arabs a lesson.
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13355213]May I have 5 minutes of your time? [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA_UrnZGneM[/url] I wanna see the reactions on this too.[/QUOTE] FFS this is too easy.The guy who wrote that is a fucking Zionist terrorist. Seriously, get out.This is laughingly bad. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai[/url] and his fanboys [url]http://jtf.org/issues.php[/url]
This problem is very old and I don't think there is a right solution. This gives you quite a good view of what is going on: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gBTEwATwU&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL54rHPwqA&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqXYUs3h7Q&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udib2U0_mPg&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUmayTNRLg0&feature=related[/media] It's seriously hard to find a peaceful solution.
[QUOTE=maniac;13355951]Israel should have just kept the conquered lands, would have taught the Arabs a lesson.[/QUOTE] Pretty much most of what they have now is what they took them. Actually in the Second and third Arab Israeli wars Israel took more land. They even managed to secure the whole of the Sinai peninsula but gave it back to Egypt. The six day war is the second war and the yom kippur war is the third: [img]http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6889/398pxyomkippurwarmap1jx5.png[/img] Compared to the current Israeli border: [img]http://www.state.gov/cms_images/map_israel.jpg[/img]
Egypt should say a BIG thanks for Israel being so kind and not conquering whole Egypt. Which obviously, they could have done. Fred - in that video, the guy didn't say a single lie, all he said was FACTS. The only mistake he made was saying Lithuanians are Slavic, which is NOT true.
You didn't read anything about the damn guy, did you?
[QUOTE=Fred;13356927]You didn't read anything about the damn guy, did you?[/QUOTE] Nope.
[QUOTE=Masta Crembo;13357131]Nope.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.love-tub.net/forum/images/smilies/lmaoqo6.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Masta Crembo;13356479]Egypt should say a BIG thanks for Israel being so kind and not conquering whole Egypt. Which obviously, they could have done.[/QUOTE] the whole world should say a big thanks to the us for not nuking them (even though the us can do that any time it wants)
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13358351]the whole world should say a big thanks to the us for not nuking them (even though the us can do that any time it wants)[/QUOTE] Didn't the US signed a [forgot the word] so they won't be allowed to launch them?
A non-proliferation treaty said they couldn't make more, but I'm not sure about not using them.
[QUOTE=Masta Crembo;13356479]Egypt should say a BIG thanks for Israel being so kind and not conquering whole Egypt. Which obviously, they could have done.[/QUOTE] "Thanks for pointing a gun at my head and not firing it. Let me suck your cock please!"
[QUOTE=Fred;13355955]FFS this is too easy.The guy who wrote that is a fucking Zionist terrorist. Seriously, get out.This is laughingly bad. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_and_Kahane_Chai[/url] and his fanboys [url]http://jtf.org/issues.php[/url][/QUOTE] Yep, Zionists are terrorists, I like arguing with more intelligent people, not people like you.
[QUOTE=Conscript;13355738]I was wrong about them being an ethnicity (although they do very well have their own identity). To clarify, what I meant by palestinian jew is that there is palestinians that are jewish (in the sense of religion, which in no way supports a jewish state). So what justifies Israel's claim on palestine? Is it the idea of the 'promised land'?[/QUOTE] Ummm Yea basically that, then came the other ideas which is, we need a home because when we are in Christian lands we are slaughtered which isn't a great place to live, so finally after so many centuries of oppression we are rewarded with a country. Then the came the theory of, if we ignore our mistake which was not leave Europe and live a holocaust, we might experience another one, and the last reason is the UN gave us permission so there. Plus, whatever happened to good old conquering? Why is it when Jews conquer land it's a crime but when the rest of the world conquer other people's land it's fine? If you can't go with the reasons I gave you then go with the Jews kicked ass to establish their own homeland.
Hmm, what the fuck? Israel stopped fight, but if ANY HELP RESOURCE get in gaza through the tunnel, they will restart fight (WTF Why?), they're blocking everything in Gaza. It's like they force people to die of lack of food.
[QUOTE=TNTX32;13364731]Hmm, what the fuck? Israel stopped fight, but if ANY HELP RESOURCE get in gaza through the tunnel, they will restart fight (WTF Why?), they're blocking everything in Gaza. It's like they force people to die of lack of food.[/QUOTE] food can make surprisingly good rocket fuel
[QUOTE=OzOMighty;13364667] Plus, whatever happened to good old conquering? Why is it when Jews conquer land it's a crime but when the rest of the world conquer other people's land it's fine? If you can't go with the reasons I gave you then go with the Jews kicked ass to establish their own homeland.[/QUOTE] IMO you're right. All the world captured other lands just because they wanted. Why Israel can't do the same? It's bullshit. Hypocritical bullshit.
Also don't listen to people say "LOL HAMAS ATTACKED GAZA HELP RESOURCES", it's FUCKING FALSE, and I WANT TO DESTROY REALLY ALL CHANNELS TALK LIKE THAT. IT'S FALSE, HAMAS IS WITH GAZA AND HELPING THEM. Why are Information Channels so Dumb? They're scared of Israel! Lol. Hamas will never attack their own friends. -- +: They keep saying there's Hamas weapons in mosques / houses / people, but don't listen too, it's just to kill them.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;13364742]food can make surprisingly good rocket fuel[/QUOTE] Tell me how.
[QUOTE=TNTX32;13364731]Hmm, what the fuck? Israel stopped fight, but if ANY HELP RESOURCE get in gaza through the tunnel, they will restart fight (WTF Why?), they're blocking everything in Gaza. It's like they force people to die of lack of food.[/QUOTE] Point is that they're smuggling weapons and explosives to Gaza, which Israel don't want. Also, Israel blocked Gaza because there was suicide bombers, which stopped after Israel made a huge wall around the West Bank and blocked Gaza.
[QUOTE=TNTX32;13364756]Tell me how.[/QUOTE] add liquid oxygen
[QUOTE=TNTX32;13364731]Hmm, what the fuck? Israel stopped fight, but if ANY HELP RESOURCE get in gaza through the tunnel, they will restart fight (WTF Why?), they're blocking everything in Gaza. It's like they force people to die of lack of food.[/QUOTE] I assume you are talking about the tunnels on the Egyptian borders. They aren't being used for food, they are/were being used for smuggling arms and other things.
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