In other news hoodies now against the law. More at 11.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341210]People paint you all the time, being presentable on the House Floor is just as important.[/quote]
Again, that's how you present yourself.
[quote]Not hard to grasp the principle of dressing presentably as a sign of respect to those in your presence.[/quote]
Yeah, I don't go to wallmart to respect others. (I don't go to wallmart at all) And if someone is offended by how I dress, they need to get the fuck over it. It's just clothing.
[quote]"No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service. "
No Hats on the House Floor![/QUOTE]
Hey, thanks a lot Craptasket, thanks for pointing out the absolutely blatantly fucking obvious. We'd be LOST without you.
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[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35341255]he's right though
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if i went to a job interview wearing a t-shirt and jeans they'd think i'm not taking it seriously, and i wouldn't blame them for thinking that[/QUOTE]
This was a political message, with a pretty neutral piece of clothing. That's a job interview, they are different
yeah it's even worse
if he can't even be bothered to look presentable why should i take him seriously
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he even put the hood up, i think he was going out of his way to look dumb
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35341308]yeah it's even worse
if he can't even be bothered to look presentable why should i take him seriously
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he even put the hood up, i think he was going out of his way to look dumb[/QUOTE]
He was making a point. I think it went over your head.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35341286]Yeah, I don't go to wallmart to respect others. (I don't go to wallmart at all) And if someone is offended by how I dress, they need to get the fuck over it. It's just clothing.[/QUOTE]
Were(are) you one of those arrogant teenagers that fought hard against school dress code to the point of getting kicked out?
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35341286]
This was a political message, with a pretty neutral piece of clothing. That's a job interview, they are different[/QUOTE]
I assume he knew he was going to get thrown out, as said already the speaker isn't going to make exceptions and make things unfair.
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35341308]yeah it's even worse
if he can't even be bothered to look presentable why should i take him seriously
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he even put the hood up, i think he was going out of his way to look dumb[/QUOTE]
You've never seen a hoodie before, have you?
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35341308]yeah it's even worse
if he can't even be bothered to look presentable why should i take him seriously
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he even put the hood up, i think he was going out of his way to look dumb[/QUOTE]
Haha, oh wow.
you're right i live in a cave and this computer is my only connection to the outside world
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341336]Were(are) you one of those arrogant teenagers that fought hard against school dress code to the point of getting kicked out?[/quote]
My school didn't have dress codes.
[quote]I assume he knew he was going to get thrown out, as said already the speaker isn't going to make exceptions and make things unfair.[/QUOTE]
Yes Craptasket, that is why he used this as a political message. Any other obvious things you want to point out? Want to point out that his hoodie is gray in lieu of an actual argument?
Like a boss.
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35341349]you're right i live in a cave and this computer is my only connection to the outside world[/QUOTE]
You can be sarcastic, but your complete shock that hoodies exist shows otherwise.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35341354]My school didn't have dress codes.
Yes Craptasket, that is why he used this a political message. Any other obvious things you want to point out?[/QUOTE]
Did I strike a nerve?
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341366]Did I strike a nerve?[/QUOTE]
Not really, you completely bypassed my point to ask an asinine question. Which I told you the answer to. Then proceeded to inform of things we already knew. Unless that's your idea of some form of MAXIMUM TROLLING, then you should really re-evaluate where you are in life; if not, at least make it less boring and obvious.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35341393]Not really, you completely bypassed my point to ask an asinine question. Which I told you the answer to. Then proceeded to inform of things we already knew. Unless that's your idea of some form of MAXIMUM TROLLING, then you should really re-evaluate where you are in life; if not, at least make it less boring and obvious.[/QUOTE]
Saying something is dumb is a lousy point and you know that. You cannot have people in streetwear on the House Floor, it's not presentable attire and no one will take you seriously. Like you said yourself it'll paint you in the negative light, and people will find that offensive. Easy.
Lamarr Smith is wearing a Coupe D'Isaster, why is he still in charge?
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341558]Saying something is dumb is a lousy point and you know that. You cannot have people in streetwear on the House Floor, it's not presentable attire and no one will take you seriously. Like you said yourself it'll paint you in the negative light, and people will find that offensive. Easy.[/QUOTE]I think his point though has been that it is simply stupid for people to have a problem with it or not take it seriously. It is ridiculous and arbitrary, and that is the problem.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341558]Saying something is dumb is a lousy point and you know that. You cannot have people in streetwear on the House Floor, it's not presentable attire and no one will take you seriously. Like you said yourself it'll paint you in the negative light, and people will find that offensive. Easy.[/QUOTE]
What my opinion or whomever else is on it is outweighed by what the general public likes to see. If you want to walk into the wallmart without a shirt, I don't see why not. If you want to walk into a wallmart, but will feel embarrassed, put as shirt on. It's the equal balance of basic human logic and personal freedom. How the individual chooses to balance those should be left to them. If they choose to look dischelved during an interview or court proceeding, that's their right, however, it should be known you won't win anyone over that way.
I recall listening to BBC2 radio one morning, and there was a disscussion about wearing sleepwear bottoms outside. This middle-aged uppity posh lady was going on about how it'll scare the kids and it's just unclean looking. The girl she was arguing with effectively asked "how is this harming anyone?" To which posh lady was dancing around the issue. It doesn't.
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And to add to that point, what is it about a hoodie that invalidates what this guy was saying? Looking past the actual house floor rules, how is a hoodie bad attire? Everyone knows these rules exist, but why?
I mean, there is middle ground between wearing a suit and a total casual wear.
Breaking dress code and starting to blather religious shit on the house floor, yeah he needed to be thrown out. Breaking dress code is one thing, but going on a religious rant is way out of line. Church and State are separate for a reason.
[QUOTE=bohb;35341857]Breaking dress code and starting to blather religious shit on the house floor, yeah he needed to be thrown out. Breaking dress code is one thing, but going on a religious rant is way out of line. Church and State are separate for a reason.[/QUOTE]
You know they do daily morning prayers.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341558]Saying something is dumb is a lousy point and you know that. You cannot have people in streetwear on the House Floor, it's not presentable attire and no one will take you seriously. Like you said yourself it'll paint you in the negative light, and people will find that offensive. Easy.[/QUOTE]
Just because people'll look at you the wrong way doesn't mean they should.
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It's a cycle. People'll look at you wrong because it's unprofessional, but it's unprofessional because people'll look at you wrong.
[QUOTE=Bean Shoot;35340471]I still don't understand how the hell wearing a hat inside can be considered "disruptive" or "disrespectful" to this day.[/QUOTE]
Time to go in wearing a 7 foot tall top hat.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35340580]Start understanding dress code and proper attire[/QUOTE]
This. Sorry, but hoodie or baseball cap (especially backwards) means I can't take someone seriously.
There should be no dress code in congress. If reps want to show up naked, then they should be permitted to. Freedom of speech is rarely more important than in congress.
If we wish to make claims like "home of the free" we should really start acting like it.
I love hoodies but I never wear the hood unless it's raining and somtimes I rather get wet than wear the hood because I hate the way it makes me look and the image associated with a hooded youth.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Unabomber-sketch.png[/img]
If I had a dollar for every armed robbery committed by a guy wearing a hoodie, I could stop doing armed robberies
Hoodies are great, but they're also damn suspicious when you wear the hood up, they just are
[QUOTE=TheTalon;35344346][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Unabomber-sketch.png[/img]
If I had a dollar for every armed robbery committed by a guy wearing a hoodie, I could stop doing armed robberies
Hoodies are great, but they're also damn suspicious when you wear the hood up, they just are[/QUOTE]
Yeah because who wouldn't use a hoodie when it's fucking raining.
Also americans are so prude :v:
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35339790]I am tempted to post WOOL.
Has it reached video macro status yet?[/QUOTE]
What is WOOL?
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35344561]What is WOOL?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM[/url]
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35340902]Yeah SERIOUSLY how come I can't buy anything at wall-mart when I'm shirtless!!!
oh and that time I got thrown out of court for wearing baggy shorts and my favorite band t-shirt.
yeah man, it's stupid fuck da system It's DUMB!!!!111[/QUOTE]
Cohen v. California. Man wears "Fuck the Draft" jacket into a court. Supreme Court says he can do that.
Dress code in a public area is [I]conduct[/I], and conduct does not overrule one's constitutional rights to expressive speech through clothing.
In private property, one must abide by the conduct to do business on the property. This is [I]not[/I] the case on public property. In joining the House, Rush had to agree to abide by their dress conduct. He could still not abide by it and be protected. He can wear a hoodie, but the hood is not okay. It is constitutional to limit hoods, but your point is retardedly simplified.
You [I]can[/I] enter a court and can not be thrown out if you wear your favorite band t-shirt and baggy shorts. The only reason you can't wear a hat in court is because of identification and visual reasons. I'm not sure if the same logic can be applied to members of the house. The hoodie is not in question- the hood is.
I'd dare say that you don't know what you're talking about. As long as it's a public institution (excluding schools because of school speech), then you can not be limited by dress conduct unless it poses direct challenge to lawful proceedings, and is not obscene (and even obscenity gets alot of leeway).
[QUOTE=Craptasket;35341558]Saying something is dumb is a lousy point and you know that. You cannot have people in streetwear on the House Floor, it's not presentable attire and no one will take you seriously. Like you said yourself it'll paint you in the negative light, and people will find that offensive. Easy.[/QUOTE]
You're completely failing to take into consideration that [b]this was a stunt[/b].
He was [b]wearing the hoodie to make a point[/b]. He wasn't wearing it to be casual.
The fact is he was making an entirely good point about racial profiling, and was kicked out for what is, at worst, a minor misdemeanor because the house speaker didn't like his point.
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